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Nick,
According to verse 35, who said the words of verse 38?
Will you take the scriptures at their word, like you constantly tell us to do? Or will you insert your own understanding into them?
Hi MB,
You may well disagree.
This concept occurred to me and I submit it to see if it finds favour among the spiritual.Hi MB,
Whose will did the prophets do?How?
By the Spirit of prophecy?
Jesus Christ is the promised great Prophet.
That Spirit was in the prophets too[1 peter 1]
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,18:39) Hi MB,
Whose will did the prophets do?
The prophets were sent, NOT to do THEIR OWN will, but God's.Just like Jesus. Except in Jesus' case, he said he was sent DOWN FROM HEAVEN to do the will of Him who sent him.
But you at least recognize that concerning the prophets and God, there were TWO wills, only one of which was done. Why not realize this in the case of Jesus?
Hi MB,
No problem.
Do you think there being sent to do God's will compelled them or did the Spirit lead them?Yes slightly different in the case of Jesus the anointed one.
The WORD was with God there in heaven.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,18:27) This concept occurred to me and I submit it to see if it finds favour among the spiritual.
Wouldn't it have been better for you to check if there were scriptures to support the concept before submitting it?Wouldn't it have been better for you to make sure it didn't blatantly contradict many scriptures?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2012,18:54) Hi MB,
No problem.
Do you think there being sent to do God's will compelled them or did the Spirit lead them?Yes slightly different in the case of Jesus the anointed one.
The WORD was with God there in heaven.
NQuote The WORD was with God there in heaven. you have no scriptures for this
Hi MB,
In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God.
The Word was made flesh and dwelled amongst us.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,18:54) Do you think there being sent to do God's will compelled them or did the Spirit lead them?
A little of both. In some cases, God told them what to do, and they did it. In other cases, they were led by the Spirit and even taken up in visions, etc. Why?Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2012,08:08) F Quote You suggest to Gene “you should stop follow men ,and read scriptures as God as given them to us”. Would not Gene be following a man (You Pierre) in deceptively attempting to tell him that Yahchanan [John] 1:1 is speaking of Father Yahweh's word as a separate being that existed with Him in the beginning, when in fact nowhere in Scripture that Father Yahweh has given to us does he ever read such foolishness?
If gene does what I suggest him to do,what is my influence in his reading the scriptures
did I have any influence ?? i do not think so,I am not even beside him or not even be there ,so how could it be a man influence men influence is what we have accepted in our hearts from men that s men influence.as of John1;1 and Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
if you can not see it ,this is not my doing ,I do what ever I can to make it known ,but it has to be from God that the veil is remove from your eyes ,
selection;Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
evil means opposition to Gods grace
Pierre,
No, I believe that you most certainly do not have the least bit of influence on Gene. I said “in deceptively ATTEMPTING to tell him that Yahchanan [John] 1:1 is speaking of Father Yahweh's word as a separate being that existed with Him in the beginning”. You are suggesting him to listen to you (a mere man) saying that Yahchanan [John] 1:1 is speaking of Father Yahweh's word as a separate being that existed with Him in the beginning”. I believe that you (a mere man) can in no way deceive Gene with this foolish belief, since I see Gene as well established and aware of what Scripture ACTUALLY SAYS opposed to your perversion of Scripture. Nowhere in Scripture does it ever teach or say that Father Yahweh's word existed with Him in the beginning as a separate being apart from Himself. This is your perversion of Scripture in constantly posting a list of choice verses from Scripture taken from the context of Scripture as a whole in an ATTEMPT to deceive. Gene even asked you “… please show us where the word, “Jesus” appears in John 1:1 …” and you have yet to do this. NOWHERE in John 1:1 does it EVER SAY “and the Word was “Jesus” as you have deceptively proposed that it says.Gene does not have to take your mere suggestion in instructing him to simply read the choice verses that you have taken out of context of Scripture as a whole. He already reads Scripture and has even taken it a step beyond your mere foolish instruction and taken the instruction of Scripture to STUDY Scripture in its entirety to show himself approved a workman that need not be ashamed. IF Gene were to take your suggestion (which I believe he would never do) in only reading Scripture and taking your list of choice Scripture verses as doctrine and ignore the rest of Scripture as a whole, then you would indeed be an influence to him, but as it stands, you are of no influence to him, since he STUDIES Scripture as a whole unlike you. You only read your choice verses and establish these verses alone as your doctrine.
ALL Scripture is given by inSPIRation of Yahweh, and is PROFITABLE for DOCTRINE (TEACHING), for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: That the man of Yahweh may be perfect and THOROUGHLY FURNISHED unto ALL RIGHTEOUS WORKS (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Yes, it says ALL Scripture! Not simply your mere list of Scripture verses taken out of context of Scripture as a whole!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,18:57) Hi MB,
In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God.
God cannot be WITH God, Nick.Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 06 2012,18:59) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2012,08:08) F Quote You suggest to Gene “you should stop follow men ,and read scriptures as God as given them to us”. Would not Gene be following a man (You Pierre) in deceptively attempting to tell him that Yahchanan [John] 1:1 is speaking of Father Yahweh's word as a separate being that existed with Him in the beginning, when in fact nowhere in Scripture that Father Yahweh has given to us does he ever read such foolishness?
If gene does what I suggest him to do,what is my influence in his reading the scriptures
did I have any influence ?? i do not think so,I am not even beside him or not even be there ,so how could it be a man influence men influence is what we have accepted in our hearts from men that s men influence.as of John1;1 and Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
if you can not see it ,this is not my doing ,I do what ever I can to make it known ,but it has to be from God that the veil is remove from your eyes ,
selection;Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
evil means opposition to Gods grace
Pierre,
No, I believe that you most certainly do not have the least bit of influence on Gene. I said “in deceptively ATTEMPTING to tell him that Yahchanan [John] 1:1 is speaking of Father Yahweh's word as a separate being that existed with Him in the beginning”. You are suggesting him to listen to you (a mere man) saying that Yahchanan [John] 1:1 is speaking of Father Yahweh's word as a separate being that existed with Him in the beginning”. I believe that you (a mere man) can in no way deceive Gene with this foolish belief, since I see Gene as well established and aware of what Scripture ACTUALLY SAYS opposed to your perversion of Scripture. Nowhere in Scripture does it ever teach or say that Father Yahweh's word existed with Him in the beginning as a separate being apart from Himself. This is your perversion of Scripture in constantly posting a list of choice verses from Scripture taken from the context of Scripture as a whole in an ATTEMPT to deceive. Gene even asked you “… please show us where the word, “Jesus” appears in John 1:1 …” and you have yet to do this. NOWHERE in John 1:1 does it EVER SAY “and the Word was “Jesus” as you have deceptively proposed that it says.Gene does not have to take your mere suggestion in instructing him to simply read the choice verses that you have taken out of context of Scripture as a whole. He already reads Scripture and has even taken it a step beyond your mere foolish instruction and taken the instruction of Scripture to STUDY Scripture in its entirety to show himself approved a workman that need not be ashamed. IF Gene were to take your suggestion (which I believe he would never do) in only reading Scripture and taking your list of choice Scripture verses as doctrine and ignore the rest of Scripture as a whole, then you would indeed be an influence to him, but as it stands, you are of no influence to him, since he STUDIES Scripture as a whole unlike you. You only read your choice verses and establish these verses alone as your doctrine.
ALL Scripture is given by inSPIRation of Yahweh, and is PROFITABLE for DOCTRINE (TEACHING), for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: That the man of Yahweh may be perfect and THOROUGHLY FURNISHED unto ALL RIGHTEOUS WORKS (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Yes, it says ALL Scripture! Not simply your mere list of Scripture verses taken out of context of Scripture as a whole!
FI am glad you have found your way ,time will tell if it was the good one
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2012,12:10) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 06 2012,18:59) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2012,08:08) F Quote You suggest to Gene “you should stop follow men ,and read scriptures as God as given them to us”. Would not Gene be following a man (You Pierre) in deceptively attempting to tell him that Yahchanan [John] 1:1 is speaking of Father Yahweh's word as a separate being that existed with Him in the beginning, when in fact nowhere in Scripture that Father Yahweh has given to us does he ever read such foolishness?
If gene does what I suggest him to do,what is my influence in his reading the scriptures
did I have any influence ?? i do not think so,I am not even beside him or not even be there ,so how could it be a man influence men influence is what we have accepted in our hearts from men that s men influence.as of John1;1 and Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
if you can not see it ,this is not my doing ,I do what ever I can to make it known ,but it has to be from God that the veil is remove from your eyes ,
selection;Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
evil means opposition to Gods grace
Pierre,
No, I believe that you most certainly do not have the least bit of influence on Gene. I said “in deceptively ATTEMPTING to tell him that Yahchanan [John] 1:1 is speaking of Father Yahweh's word as a separate being that existed with Him in the beginning”. You are suggesting him to listen to you (a mere man) saying that Yahchanan [John] 1:1 is speaking of Father Yahweh's word as a separate being that existed with Him in the beginning”. I believe that you (a mere man) can in no way deceive Gene with this foolish belief, since I see Gene as well established and aware of what Scripture ACTUALLY SAYS opposed to your perversion of Scripture. Nowhere in Scripture does it ever teach or say that Father Yahweh's word existed with Him in the beginning as a separate being apart from Himself. This is your perversion of Scripture in constantly posting a list of choice verses from Scripture taken from the context of Scripture as a whole in an ATTEMPT to deceive. Gene even asked you “… please show us where the word, “Jesus” appears in John 1:1 …” and you have yet to do this. NOWHERE in John 1:1 does it EVER SAY “and the Word was “Jesus” as you have deceptively proposed that it says.Gene does not have to take your mere suggestion in instructing him to simply read the choice verses that you have taken out of context of Scripture as a whole. He already reads Scripture and has even taken it a step beyond your mere foolish instruction and taken the instruction of Scripture to STUDY Scripture in its entirety to show himself approved a workman that need not be ashamed. IF Gene were to take your suggestion (which I believe he would never do) in only reading Scripture and taking your list of choice Scripture verses as doctrine and ignore the rest of Scripture as a whole, then you would indeed be an influence to him, but as it stands, you are of no influence to him, since he STUDIES Scripture as a whole unlike you. You only read your choice verses and establish these verses alone as your doctrine.
ALL Scripture is given by inSPIRation of Yahweh, and is PROFITABLE for DOCTRINE (TEACHING), for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: That the man of Yahweh may be perfect and THOROUGHLY FURNISHED unto ALL RIGHTEOUS WORKS (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Yes, it says ALL Scripture! Not simply your mere list of Scripture verses taken out of context of Scripture as a whole!
FI am glad you have found your way ,time will tell if it was the good one
Pierre,It is not MY way, but it is FATHER YAHWEH'S WAY! It is just as Yahshua said “… not my will (or way) be done, but Your will (or way) be done.”
Mike,
Yes, I agree with you on this point that there are two separate wills that Yahshua was speaking of here, his own will and that of his and our Father Yahweh.
He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them and knelt down in communion, “Father, if you are willing, take this cup [of suffering] from me; yet not my will be done, but Your will be be done” (Lukyah 22:41-42).
Note here that Yahshua asked his and our Father Yahweh that this cup [of suffering] be taken from him.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2012,11:59) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,18:57) Hi MB,
In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God.
God cannot be WITH God, Nick.
Mike,What do you propose the proper translation of the verse to be if you are not in agreement with the translation Nick has posted?
F
Quote Pierre, It is not MY way, but it is FATHER YAHWEH'S WAY! It is just as Yahshua said “… not my will (or way) be done, but Your will (or way) be done.”
Frank,it is your way;the words you are quoting are not your they are Christ words and you are not Christ or are you
????according to the scriptures you quoting you are mostly quoting your own words as I can see,so it is your will in is full splendor that you are making to be the words of God,this is not the way that God as made men to use his words ,so you have no truth in your words .
I follow scriptures the words of my God
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2012,14:56) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,18:27) This concept occurred to me and I submit it to see if it finds favour among the spiritual.
Wouldn't it have been better for you to check if there were scriptures to support the concept before submitting it?Wouldn't it have been better for you to make sure it didn't blatantly contradict many scriptures?
I think it is good to submit ideas to see what others think. To the right people this is a good thing.Submitting ideas or concepts that have no scriptural backing yet, and teaching it as truth is another thing of course.
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 06 2012,15:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2012,11:59) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,18:57) Hi MB,
In the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God.
God cannot be WITH God, Nick.
Mike,What do you propose the proper translation of the verse to be if you are not in agreement with the translation Nick has posted?
There is no definite article in the last instance of God, so it is not saying that the Word is God or God with God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2012,12:09) Hi MB,
The Spirit is ever with and of God.
Theology does not rule
Hi Nick,Amen to that!
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
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