Preexistence

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2012,02:19)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2012,06:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2012,18:39) Hi MB, Again you have vaulted into the murk of logic. God is not necessarily going to fit in your little boxes Even the highest heaven cannot hold him[2Chr] N you are definitely blind to the word of God , you have enough knowledge to barely understand what any religion can understand provided it is in their own language ,but understand the truth of it ,you do not have. Pierre, Solomon stated that the temple could not hold God, nor the heavens, even the highest heavens.  So how do you understand his words as Nick appears to be taking them literally.

kerwin

would this not shown that God is not part of his own creation ?

so that God is greater than his creation,right ??yes

[mikeboll64]

And your claim that God can have two wills is not only unscriptural, but also ludicrous.

Are YOU of God, Nick? If not, then of who?

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 03 2012,11:18)

Quote Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 03 2012,08:02) Hi T8, Excellent Post! Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) holycitybiblecode.org Ed J, I what the hell are you ranting on about now!   I am ranting about scripture again. I know it offends you, but scripture is more important than your feelings and convictions. Jesus said, “before Abraham I am”. I can just see you gritting your teeth after that scripture. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities– all things have been created through Him and for Him. Now you are writhing on the floor. but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. Now your foaming at the mouth right? to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen. OK, now you are so worked up you are getting ready to copy a post from another site and paste it in this topic complete with a link. Am I right?

t8,

Anyone can rant about Scripture. You rant on and on about Scripture and perverting it as you go on ranting on and on about it.

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
You definition of the nature of God is from where?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
What is plain is that the Word had a relationship with God in the beginning.
But you cannot accept this without defining two beings?

[NickHassan]

Hi MB,
It is also plain that in the One Spirit the sons of God can now relate to Father and son-true?

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 03 2012,11:21)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,15:35) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,13:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2012,12:51) Hi Frank, Why should we give up on you? Nick, You have to have something to offer other than complaining about my post. Like I said, if you do not approve of my posts then simply do not read or respond to them. Hi Frank, I believe it is the  L O N G  imported opinions that you post, not the personalized words that come from you, that most of us have an aversion to. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Ed J, This post to me and your previous post to me was what I was referring to when saying “What are you ranting on about now?”

Ed J,

BTW, I makes no difference if I use my own personal words here or the words of others here, they still have an aversion to what it is that I post.

[mikeboll64]

Nick,

Does God have TWO wills?  YES or NO?

Can God send God to do, not His own will, but the will of God?

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2012,11:59)

Nick, Does God have TWO wills?  YES or NO? Can God send God to do, not His own will, but the will of God?

Nick,

Does God have TWO wills? YES or NO?

Nick,

Does God have TWO wills? YES or NO?

Nick,

Does God have TWO wills? YES or NO?

Nick,

Does God have TWO wills? YES or NO?

Nick,

Does God have TWO wills? YES or NO?

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Nick,

Can God send God to do, not His own will, but the will of God?

Nick,

Can God send God to do, not His own will, but the will of God?

Nick,

Can God send God to do, not His own will, but the will of God?

Nick,

Can God send God to do, not His own will, but the will of God?

Nick,

Can God send God to do, not His own will, but the will of God?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2012,11:15)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 02 2012,17:19) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2012,11:16) Nick, For something or someone to have a will of its own, it must be an individual entity/being. Do you know of an exception? Hi Mike, I agree with you in this, what point are you trying to make? Hi Ed, This was my point – from a couple pages back: John 6:38 (New International Version 1984) 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. According to Nick, the spirit of Christ said these words.  But according to Nick, the spirit of Christ is part of the Spirit of God, which was the Word of God, which is God Himself. But for the spirit of Christ to say it came to do God's will instead of ITS OWN WILL, is to say the spirit of Christ is a being separate from God, complete with its own will, agenda, mind, etc. Ed, do you see from the scripture how it was an individual entity, with a will of his own, who was sent by God?  How can the spirit of Christ say these words through Jesus unless the spirit of Christ is an individual entity with its own will? What are your thoughts?

Hi Mike,

The “Spirit of Christ” is Jesus' Spirit.
The “HolySpirit” is YHVH's Spirit.
So simple, yet also elegant!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 03 2012,11:21)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,15:35) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,13:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2012,12:51) Hi Frank, Why should we give up on you? Nick, You have to have something to offer other than complaining about my post. Like I said, if you do not approve of my posts then simply do not read or respond to them. Hi Frank, I believe it is the  L O N G  imported opinions that you post, not the personalized words that come from you, that most of us have an aversion to. God bless Ed J Ed J, This post to me and your previous post to me was what I was referring to when saying “What are you ranting on about now?”

Hi Frank,

I don't read those long imported posts,
and neither do most others here either.

However, whenever you post your own words,
I most certainly do read what you have to say.

That is why I suggest you condense those long winded posts
into your own words so that we have things to discuss with you; OK?

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[Frank4YAHWEH]

For we were all baptized by one spirit into one body–whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free–and we were all given the one spirit to drink (1 Corinthians 12:13).

And if the spirit of Him who raised Yahshua from the dead is living in you, He who raised Messiah from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His spirit, who lives in you (Romans 8:11).

There is one body and one spirit–just as you were called to one hope when you were called. There is one Master Yahshua, one belief, one immersion, one Yahweh and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all (Ephesians 4:4-6).

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2012,12:10)

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Mar. 03 2012,11:21) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 28 2012,15:35) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,13:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2012,12:51) Hi Frank, Why should we give up on you? Nick, You have to have something to offer other than complaining about my post. Like I said, if you do not approve of my posts then simply do not read or respond to them. Hi Frank, I believe it is the  L O N G  imported opinions that you post, not the personalized words that come from you, that most of us have an aversion to. God bless Ed J Ed J, This post to me and your previous post to me was what I was referring to when saying “What are you ranting on about now?” Hi Frank, I don't read those long imported posts, and neither do most others here either. However, whenever you post your own words, I most certainly do read what you have to say. That is why I suggest you condense those long winded posts into your own words so that we have things to discuss with you; OK? Your brother in Christ, Jesus. Ed J (Joshua 22:34) holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J,

Just as I had previously told Nick, If you do not approve of what it is that I post, then simply do not read or respond to them what it is that I post. Simple as that!

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Ed J,

Don't you have a post that you should be responding to HERE?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2012,19:04)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2012,11:15) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 02 2012,17:19) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2012,11:16) Nick, For something or someone to have a will of its own, it must be an individual entity/being. Do you know of an exception? Hi Mike, I agree with you in this, what point are you trying to make? Hi Ed, This was my point – from a couple pages back: John 6:38 (New International Version 1984) 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. According to Nick, the spirit of Christ said these words.  But according to Nick, the spirit of Christ is part of the Spirit of God, which was the Word of God, which is God Himself. But for the spirit of Christ to say it came to do God's will instead of ITS OWN WILL, is to say the spirit of Christ is a being separate from God, complete with its own will, agenda, mind, etc. Ed, do you see from the scripture how it was an individual entity, with a will of his own, who was sent by God?  How can the spirit of Christ say these words through Jesus unless the spirit of Christ is an individual entity with its own will? What are your thoughts? Hi Mike, The “Spirit of Christ” is Jesus' Spirit. The “HolySpirit” is YHVH's Spirit. So simple, yet also elegant! God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

NO,this is your answer to the question;

The “Spirit of Christ” is Jesus' Spirit.
The “HolySpirit” is YHVH's Spirit.
So simple, yet also elegant!

NOT ELEGANT ,FALSE

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 02 2012,19:04)

Hi Mike, The “Spirit of Christ” is Jesus' Spirit.

And is the spirit of Jesus a person, Ed? Does it have a will of its own?

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Ed J,

BTW, I am certainly NOT:

“Your brother
in Christ, Jesus”

[mikeboll64]

Why so much anger and hate, Frank?

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2012,12:26)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 02 2012,19:04) Hi Mike, The “Spirit of Christ” is Jesus' Spirit. And is the spirit of Jesus a person, Ed?  Does it have a will of its own?

Mike,

The SPIRIT that was in Yahshua is not a person, but is an IT, just as the WORD that Yahshua spoke is an IT.

The Holy Spirit Is Not A Person!
The Holy Spirit Is An It!

For we were all baptized by one spirit into one body–whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free–and we were all given the one spirit to drink (1 Corinthians 12:13).

And if the spirit of Him who raised Yahshua from the dead is living in you, He who raised Messiah from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His spirit, who lives in you (Romans 8:11).

There is one body and one spirit–just as you were called to one hope when you were called. There is one Master Yahshua, one belief, one immersion, one Yahweh and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all (Ephesians 4:4-6).

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