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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,09:19) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,16:03) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,08:50) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,15:42) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,08:35) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,15:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2012,08:04) Hi Frank,
How important is this?
Nick,Well, it is important in that Mike and t8 has asserted this in their previous post in comparing what is said in Revelation and the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]” and like the critical scholars in the excerpt I had previously posted, I also have my doubt that the Apostle Yahchanan [John] authored the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]”.
This being said, I would like ALL to consider a book that I had previously read online and found very revealing concerning this matter. The link to this book is as follows:
CLICK HERE to download the book The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved
by J. Phillips in PDF Format for FREE or to read it online or click on the following hyper linked text for FREE printable copies of this Bible study or to read it online:
The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved
Take another look – The Bible has the answer
J. PhillipsThis book is a very easy read and understandable from a layman's perspective.
Fyou do not read the bible why should read a book that you advertised and have no comment about it,so in three words what the book say
terraricca,You are bearing false witness against me to what you are not even a witness to! I read and study Scripture daily as I am instructed to do in the Scripture.
Fno ,I give you scriptures and you have ignore them why
??
terraricca,You did not give me Scripture! The following you posted in response to me is not Scripture, but is simply you bearing false witness against me when in fact you are not a witness to what it is that I do:
you do not read the bible why should read a book that you advertised and have no comment about it,so in three words what the book say
frankQuote terraricca Group: Regular Members
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Posted: Feb. 28 2012,15:26
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,13:36)
To ALL,If you believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as an actual being, what type of being do you believe he pre-existed his birth as?
Frank
Christ it says is the first born and only one that God created directly ,all others were created through him,
so he must have been the closes to God as some one can be ,
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.
Pr 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth,
when there were no springs abounding with water;
Pr 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
Pr 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields
or any of the dust of the world.
Pr 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pr 8:28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pr 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.compere those two set of scriptures very carefully and see where is the son of God ,
————–
PR
i am just a fishermanQuote You did not give me Scripture! what is this then
???????
????
terraricca,Nowhere in Scripture does it ever say “[Messiah] is the first born and only one that God created directly ,all others were created through him,”
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,16:19) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,16:03) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,08:50) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,15:42) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,08:35) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,15:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2012,08:04) Hi Frank,
How important is this?
Nick,Well, it is important in that Mike and t8 has asserted this in their previous post in comparing what is said in Revelation and the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]” and like the critical scholars in the excerpt I had previously posted, I also have my doubt that the Apostle Yahchanan [John] authored the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]”.
This being said, I would like ALL to consider a book that I had previously read online and found very revealing concerning this matter. The link to this book is as follows:
CLICK HERE to download the book The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved
by J. Phillips in PDF Format for FREE or to read it online or click on the following hyper linked text for FREE printable copies of this Bible study or to read it online:
The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved
Take another look – The Bible has the answer
J. PhillipsThis book is a very easy read and understandable from a layman's perspective.
Fyou do not read the bible why should read a book that you advertised and have no comment about it,so in three words what the book say
terraricca,You are bearing false witness against me to what you are not even a witness to! I read and study Scripture daily as I am instructed to do in the Scripture.
Fno ,I give you scriptures and you have ignore them why
??
terraricca,You did not give me Scripture! The following you posted in response to me is not Scripture, but is simply you bearing false witness against me when in fact you are not a witness to what it is that I do:
you do not read the bible why should read a book that you advertised and have no comment about it,so in three words what the book say
frankQuote terraricca Group: Regular Members
Posts: 11693
Joined: Oct. 2009
Posted: Feb. 28 2012,15:26
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,13:36)
To ALL,If you believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as an actual being, what type of being do you believe he pre-existed his birth as?
Frank
Christ it says is the first born and only one that God created directly ,all others were created through him,
so he must have been the closes to God as some one can be ,
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.
Pr 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth,
when there were no springs abounding with water;
Pr 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
Pr 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields
or any of the dust of the world.
Pr 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pr 8:28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pr 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.compere those two set of scriptures very carefully and see where is the son of God ,
————–
PR
i am just a fishermanQuote You did not give me Scripture! what is this then
???????????
FQuote terraricca, Nowhere in Scripture does it ever say “[Messiah] is the first born and only one that God created directly ,all others were created through him,”
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
Col 1:4 because we have heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of the love you have for all the saints—would you think that Paul talk s about you and me
??Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 27 2012,16:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,08:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 27 2012,10:14) Your info mentioned Hagyah [Haggai]: meaning – 'Feast of Yahweh', right? Consider:
Ezra 5:1
Now Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the prophet, a descendant of Iddo, prophesied to the Jews in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, who was over them.1. Do you understand Ezra to be saying a literal “feast of Yahweh” prophesied to the Jews?
2. Or do you understand that the PERSON who was CALLED BY THE NAME “feast of Yahweh” did the prophesying?
Which one, Frank? I only want to hear you say #1 or #2.
As far as who wrote the Gospel of John, consider that in John 13:23, the author identifies himself as being in attendance at the last supper. That narrows it down to one of the 12 Apostles. We can eliminate Peter from the context, as well as Thomas and Judas Iscariot.
I suppose with a little research, we could eliminate some others too. I don't know why or when the writing was attributed to the Apostle John. But it was for sure written by one of the 12 Apostles at the last supper. I have no reason to doubt that it was John, as generally thought – do you?
Mike,#1 or #2.
Seriously, pick one please.Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 27 2012,16:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,08:58) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 27 2012,15:36) I believe when it says that “he existed” it is speaking of his existence here on earth and not that he pre-existed in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning as a “God”
But Frank,They are listed in a chronological order:
1. Was existing in the form of God.
2. Emptied himself.
3. Was made into the likeness of a human being.# 3 couldn't have happened AFTER Jesus was already a human being. There is no choice but for Jesus to have been something OTHER THAN a human being before being made into one.
But Mike,I believe when it says that “he existed” it is speaking of his existence here on earth and not that he pre-existed in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning as a “God”.
What did he exist AS here on earth before being made into the likeness of a human being?Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,09:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,16:19) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,16:03) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,08:50) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,15:42) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,08:35) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,15:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2012,08:04) Hi Frank,
How important is this?
Nick,Well, it is important in that Mike and t8 has asserted this in their previous post in comparing what is said in Revelation and the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]” and like the critical scholars in the excerpt I had previously posted, I also have my doubt that the Apostle Yahchanan [John] authored the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]”.
This being said, I would like ALL to consider a book that I had previously read online and found very revealing concerning this matter. The link to this book is as follows:
CLICK HERE to download the book The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved
by J. Phillips in PDF Format for FREE or to read it online or click on the following hyper linked text for FREE printable copies of this Bible study or to read it online:
The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved
Take another look – The Bible has the answer
J. PhillipsThis book is a very easy read and understandable from a layman's perspective.
Fyou do not read the bible why should read a book that you advertised and have no comment about it,so in three words what the book say
terraricca,You are bearing false witness against me to what you are not even a witness to! I read and study Scripture daily as I am instructed to do in the Scripture.
Fno ,I give you scriptures and you have ignore them why
??
terraricca,You did not give me Scripture! The following you posted in response to me is not Scripture, but is simply you bearing false witness against me when in fact you are not a witness to what it is that I do:
you do not read the bible why should read a book that you advertised and have no comment about it,so in three words what the book say
frankQuote terraricca Group: Regular Members
Posts: 11693
Joined: Oct. 2009
Posted: Feb. 28 2012,15:26
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,13:36)
To ALL,If you believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as an actual being, what type of being do you believe he pre-existed his birth as?
Frank
Christ it says is the first born and only one that God created directly ,all others were created through him,
so he must have been the closes to God as some one can be ,
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,Pr 8:22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
Pr 8:23 I was appointed from eternity,
from the beginning, before the world began.
Pr 8:24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth,
when there were no springs abounding with water;
Pr 8:25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
Pr 8:26 before he made the earth or its fields
or any of the dust of the world.
Pr 8:27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
Pr 8:28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
Pr 8:29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Pr 8:30 Then I was the craftsman at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
Pr 8:31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.compere those two set of scriptures very carefully and see where is the son of God ,
————–
PR
i am just a fishermanQuote You did not give me Scripture! what is this then
???????????
FQuote terraricca, Nowhere in Scripture does it ever say “[Messiah] is the first born and only one that God created directly ,all others were created through him,”
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
Col 1:4 because we have heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of the love you have for all the saints—would you think that Paul talk s about you and me
??
terraricca,Why would Shaul talk about you and I? We did not even exist in that time period. Now I guess you expect me to believe that we pre-existed or birth?
F
Quote terraricca, It is quite obvious from my previous posts that I most certainly do believe that Yahshua existed and it is quite obvious from your previous posts that you can not even form an intelligible English sentence.
if you would as truthful as i am in written English you would be better of in Gods truth than you are now ,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,09:33) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 27 2012,16:10) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,08:55) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 27 2012,10:14) Your info mentioned Hagyah [Haggai]: meaning – 'Feast of Yahweh', right? Consider:
Ezra 5:1
Now Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the prophet, a descendant of Iddo, prophesied to the Jews in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, who was over them.1. Do you understand Ezra to be saying a literal “feast of Yahweh” prophesied to the Jews?
2. Or do you understand that the PERSON who was CALLED BY THE NAME “feast of Yahweh” did the prophesying?
Which one, Frank? I only want to hear you say #1 or #2.
As far as who wrote the Gospel of John, consider that in John 13:23, the author identifies himself as being in attendance at the last supper. That narrows it down to one of the 12 Apostles. We can eliminate Peter from the context, as well as Thomas and Judas Iscariot.
I suppose with a little research, we could eliminate some others too. I don't know why or when the writing was attributed to the Apostle John. But it was for sure written by one of the 12 Apostles at the last supper. I have no reason to doubt that it was John, as generally thought – do you?
Mike,#1 or #2.
Seriously, pick one please.
Mike,Pick a card, any card!
F
Quote terraricca, Why would Shaul talk about you and I? We did not even exist in that time period. Now I guess you expect me to believe that we pre-existed or birth?
you are tripping on your feet
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,09:34) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 27 2012,16:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,08:58) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 27 2012,15:36) I believe when it says that “he existed” it is speaking of his existence here on earth and not that he pre-existed in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning as a “God”
But Frank,They are listed in a chronological order:
1. Was existing in the form of God.
2. Emptied himself.
3. Was made into the likeness of a human being.# 3 couldn't have happened AFTER Jesus was already a human being. There is no choice but for Jesus to have been something OTHER THAN a human being before being made into one.
But Mike,I believe when it says that “he existed” it is speaking of his existence here on earth and not that he pre-existed in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning as a “God”.
What did he exist AS here on earth before being made into the likeness of a human being?
Mike,Yahshua existed here on earth as a man.
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,09:40) F Quote terraricca, It is quite obvious from my previous posts that I most certainly do believe that Yahshua existed and it is quite obvious from your previous posts that you can not even form an intelligible English sentence.
if you would as truthful as i am in written English you would be better of in Gods truth than you are now ,
terraricca,You would be better off if you would just shut your pie hole!
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,09:42) F Quote terraricca, Why would Shaul talk about you and I? We did not even exist in that time period. Now I guess you expect me to believe that we pre-existed or birth?
you are tripping on your feet
terraricca,You are simply tripping!
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 27 2012,16:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,09:34) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 27 2012,16:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,08:58) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 27 2012,15:36) I believe when it says that “he existed” it is speaking of his existence here on earth and not that he pre-existed in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning as a “God”
But Frank,They are listed in a chronological order:
1. Was existing in the form of God.
2. Emptied himself.
3. Was made into the likeness of a human being.# 3 couldn't have happened AFTER Jesus was already a human being. There is no choice but for Jesus to have been something OTHER THAN a human being before being made into one.
But Mike,I believe when it says that “he existed” it is speaking of his existence here on earth and not that he pre-existed in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning as a “God”.
What did he exist AS here on earth before being made into the likeness of a human being?
Mike,Yahshua existed here on earth as a man.
BEFORE he emptied himself and was made into the likeness of a human being? How can that be, Frank?(Why are you afraid to answer my “Haggai” question? Because you know it will hurt your “called by the name” argument?
)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,09:56) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 27 2012,16:44) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,09:34) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 27 2012,16:15) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,08:58) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 27 2012,15:36) I believe when it says that “he existed” it is speaking of his existence here on earth and not that he pre-existed in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning as a “God”
But Frank,They are listed in a chronological order:
1. Was existing in the form of God.
2. Emptied himself.
3. Was made into the likeness of a human being.# 3 couldn't have happened AFTER Jesus was already a human being. There is no choice but for Jesus to have been something OTHER THAN a human being before being made into one.
But Mike,I believe when it says that “he existed” it is speaking of his existence here on earth and not that he pre-existed in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh in the beginning as a “God”.
What did he exist AS here on earth before being made into the likeness of a human being?
Mike,Yahshua existed here on earth as a man.
BEFORE he emptied himself and was made into the likeness of a human being? How can that be, Frank?(Why are you afraid to answer my “Haggai” question? Because you know it will hurt your “called by the name” argument?
)
Mike,Scripture clearly teaches that Yahshua existed here on earth as a man. Nowhere in Scripture does it ever teach that Yahshua emptied himself of being a “God” in a previous existence and made himself into the likeness of a man.
As to your “”Haggai” question”, it makes no sense at all!
Frank, Phil 2 explains EXACTLY what you say no scripture teaches. It explains that Jesus WAS existing in the form of God and THEN was made into a human being. There is no way he could have already BEEN a human being and then be made into one.
As for Haggai, you posted that the name means “feast of Yahweh”, right?
So when scripture says “Haggai prophesied”, does it mean a literally “feast of Yahweh” prophesied? Or does it mean that the PERSON who was CALLED BY THE NAME “HAGGAI” propesied?
Which one, Frank? A person prophesied? Or a feast prophesied?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2012,10:14) Frank, Phil 2 explains EXACTLY what you say no scripture teaches. It explains that Jesus WAS existing in the form of God and THEN was made into a human being. There is no way he could have already BEEN a human being and then be made into one. As for Haggai, you posted that the name means “feast of Yahweh”, right?
So when scripture says “Haggai prophesied”, does it mean a literally “feast of Yahweh” prophesied? Or does it mean that the PERSON who was CALLED BY THE NAME “HAGGAI” propesied?
Which one, Frank? A person prophesied? Or a feast prophesied?
Mike,I have never said “Phil 2 explains EXACTLY what say no scripture teaches.”
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,16:45) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,09:40) F Quote terraricca, It is quite obvious from my previous posts that I most certainly do believe that Yahshua existed and it is quite obvious from your previous posts that you can not even form an intelligible English sentence.
if you would as truthful as i am in written English you would be better of in Gods truth than you are now ,
terraricca,You would be better off if you would just shut your pie hole!
Fif you keep this up I will hit you with your white cane
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,13:06) Mike, Scripture clearly teaches that Yahshua existed here on earth as a man. Nowhere in Scripture does it ever teach that Yahshua emptied himself of being a “God” in a previous existence and made himself into the likeness of a man.
As to your “”Haggai” question”, it makes no sense at all!
Word it any way you want Frank, but you know full well that Paul taught that although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.A thorn in the side of your doctrine.
And truth will win Frank. You can't change reality.
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,12:44) Mike, Yahshua existed here on earth as a man.
See how you used the word existed?Yet it says, “WHO although HE EXISTED in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied HIMSELF, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men”.
The ironic thing here is that the only time EXISTED is used in this particular text is when it says that he EXISTED IN THE FORM OF GOD. It actually doesn't say that he EXISTED as a man although I am not arguing that he didn't. We all know he was a man.
Deep down you know this scripture infringes your view. Are you brave enough to face up to the obvious? I will let you into a little secret. It is less scary to change than to go to the living God with a legacy of false teaching Frank.
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,12:45) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 28 2012,09:40) F Quote terraricca, It is quite obvious from my previous posts that I most certainly do believe that Yahshua existed and it is quite obvious from your previous posts that you can not even form an intelligible English sentence.
if you would as truthful as i am in written English you would be better of in Gods truth than you are now ,
terraricca,You would be better off if you would just shut your pie hole!
Hi T.In between eating pies, keep preaching the truth about Yahshua.
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