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Just to interrupt,
“By their fruits you will know them”.
So far, I have only seen these good fruits (lasting) in NON Prexistances (On this Forum), and I have been sitting on the fence for quite some time now.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2012,04:06) Yes T,
He was the great prophet Peter alluded to spoken of by Moses in Acts 3.22The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy[rev19]
He spoke for God.
Nick…………This is correct. Jesus was and is indeed a Spokesman for GOD , he is called the Mediator between GOD and Man. Now a mediator does not represent himself, he is the middle man, he tells the WORD of GOD and relates them to US, But he himself is never the one or the Words he is “REPRESENTING” to second Party (man).What many do here is Make the Mediator the Word himself that He is representing. This is a false teachings as you well know. Jesus is called the word of GOD because He represents them by speaking GOD'S WORDS to Us.
God and His word are ONE and the Same those word proceed out from His Heart , just as a man words proceed out of his heart to, unless he is quoting another words, as Jesus was, giving us GOD the FATHERS word, For GOD was (IN) Him and revealing to his mind what he wanted to be spoken and GOD has done this many times in the Past and still does it to this very day .
Jesus plainly said the words he spoke were not his words That alone should be clear enough to explain the whole issue of who the Word was in John 1:1 it was not Jesus it was GOD who is his WORD, Just as we all are.
We should not ever separate GOD from His words, they are his words and his words along. No matter who He speaks those words through. IMO
peace and love to you and yours Nick………………………….gene
Hi G,
The Word of God served God in Christ.
'We will come to him…”
Jn 14.23In the one Spirit you can fellowship with the Father and the Son
2jn 9Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2012,14:51) Hi Frank
God wrote it.[2peter]
The vessel who recorded it was John.
We should let God speak and not let men get in the way too much.
Nick,From the contents of the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]” how is it that you can concluded “The vessel who recorded it was John”?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2012,12:42) Hi Frank,
If the Word is of God why is the vessel in doubt?
Nif doubt is you test tube you are in trouble
To ALL,
My last post is my response to Nick's response to my question that I had posed to ALL here and is as follows:
To ALL,
Who do you believe the author is to the so-called “Book of John”?
Also take into consideration the following:
If Yahchanan [John] truly is the author of this book, then why is the following verse which is from the beginning of this book written in such a manner:
There came a man who was sent from Yahweh; his name was Yahchanan (Yahchanan [John] 1:6).
If Yahchanan truly is the author of this book, would he not have written it more in the following manner?:
'I was sent by Yahweh and my name is Yahchanan.' or 'I, Yahchanan [John], was sent by Yahweh.'
The last underlined paraphrase I worded in accordance with what Yahchanan [John] said in Revelation and in accordance with the following translated verse from Revelation which I believe he is the author of, but I do not believe he is the author of the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]”. This I have concluded from the manner in which the contents of this book is written. Following is a quote from Yahchanan [John] from the Book of Revelation which shows that he is obviously the author of:
I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Yahshua, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of Yahweh and the testimony of Yahshua (Revelation 1:9).
Such a direct statement from Yahchanan [John] is not found in the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]” which is why I have concluded that he is not the author of this book as traditionally believed.
I would also like for you to note from the above verse from Revelation that it says “I, Yahchanan [John], … was on the island of Patmos because of the word of Yahweh AND the testimony of Yahshua.
This shows conclusively that Yahshua IS NOT LITERALLY “the word of Yahweh”, but that he is in fact the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period and that he gives testimony of his and our Father Yahweh's word. This is why his name/title is called “The Word of Yahweh” in Revelation 19:13.
He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name/title by which he is called is The Word of Yahweh (Revelation 19:13).
Yahshua most certainly did not pre-exist his birth as an actual being as Father Yahweh's “Word” in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh and was not a creator or co-creator with Him as many deceptively believe and teach.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 28 2012,05:42) Hi Frank,
If the Word is of God why is the vessel in doubt?
Nick,Please take into consideration my last an previous posts on this matter.
Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 27 2012,20:23) Just to interrupt, “By their fruits you will know them”.
So far, I have only seen these good fruits (lasting) in NON Prexistances (On this Forum), and I have been sitting on the fence for quite some time now.
Shimmer! I don't think that is a fair statement, how would you know by reading their article what fruit they are producing?Mat 6:1 ¶ Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
We come here and show our knowledge, not our fruits, we should be able to learn from each other, but it has not been so…
There are plenty of Scriptures that show us that Jesus did preexist, and wrong to label those that have that understanding….
Peace IreneQuote (Pastry @ Feb. 28 2012,06:10) Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 27 2012,20:23) Just to interrupt, “By their fruits you will know them”.
So far, I have only seen these good fruits (lasting) in NON Prexistances (On this Forum), and I have been sitting on the fence for quite some time now.
Shimmer! I don't think that is a fair statement, how would you know by reading their article what fruit they are producing?Mat 6:1 ¶ Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
We come here and show our knowledge, not our fruits, we should be able to learn from each other, but it has not been so…
There are plenty of Scriptures that show us that Jesus did preexist, and wrong to label those that have that understanding….
Peace Irene
Pastry,I believe it is a very fair statement, since false doctrine is most certainly not righteous fruit, but is in fact evil and corrupt fruit.
Irene
do you have notice that the one who defend the truth of scriptures are more active than those who follow lies,or their own views,they do not bother to look and see if what they say is true or not ,this does not mean that they have the fruits of truth in them,
No follower of Christ was killed for his believe in the world but in truth of Gods word,
To ALL,
If you believe that Yahshua pre-existed his birth as an actual being, what type of being do you believe he pre-existed his birth as?
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,05:53) To ALL, My last post is my response to Nick's response to my question that I had posed to ALL here and is as follows:
To ALL,
Who do you believe the author is to the so-called “Book of John”?
Also take into consideration the following:
If Yahchanan [John] truly is the author of this book, then why is the following verse which is from the beginning of this book written in such a manner:
There came a man who was sent from Yahweh; his name was Yahchanan (Yahchanan [John] 1:6).
If Yahchanan truly is the author of this book, would he not have written it more in the following manner?:
'I was sent by Yahweh and my name is Yahchanan.' or 'I, Yahchanan [John], was sent by Yahweh.'
The last underlined paraphrase I worded in accordance with what Yahchanan [John] said in Revelation and in accordance with the following translated verse from Revelation which I believe he is the author of, but I do not believe he is the author of the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]”. This I have concluded from the manner in which the contents of this book is written. Following is a quote from Yahchanan [John] from the Book of Revelation which shows that he is obviously the author of:
I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Yahshua, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of Yahweh and the testimony of Yahshua (Revelation 1:9).
Such a direct statement from Yahchanan [John] is not found in the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]” which is why I have concluded that he is not the author of this book as traditionally believed.
I would also like for you to note from the above verse from Revelation that it says “I, Yahchanan [John], … was on the island of Patmos because of the word of Yahweh AND the testimony of Yahshua.
This shows conclusively that Yahshua IS NOT LITERALLY “the word of Yahweh”, but that he is in fact the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period and that he gives testimony of his and our Father Yahweh's word. This is why his name/title is called “The Word of Yahweh” in Revelation 19:13.
He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name/title by which he is called is The Word of Yahweh (Revelation 19:13).
Yahshua most certainly did not pre-exist his birth as an actual being as Father Yahweh's “Word” in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh and was not a creator or co-creator with Him as many deceptively believe and teach.
No, Frank, the author is John the Apostle. Not John the Baptist.Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Feb. 28 2012,06:36) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Feb. 28 2012,05:53) To ALL, My last post is my response to Nick's response to my question that I had posed to ALL here and is as follows:
To ALL,
Who do you believe the author is to the so-called “Book of John”?
Also take into consideration the following:
If Yahchanan [John] truly is the author of this book, then why is the following verse which is from the beginning of this book written in such a manner:
There came a man who was sent from Yahweh; his name was Yahchanan (Yahchanan [John] 1:6).
If Yahchanan truly is the author of this book, would he not have written it more in the following manner?:
'I was sent by Yahweh and my name is Yahchanan.' or 'I, Yahchanan [John], was sent by Yahweh.'
The last underlined paraphrase I worded in accordance with what Yahchanan [John] said in Revelation and in accordance with the following translated verse from Revelation which I believe he is the author of, but I do not believe he is the author of the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]”. This I have concluded from the manner in which the contents of this book is written. Following is a quote from Yahchanan [John] from the Book of Revelation which shows that he is obviously the author of:
I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Yahshua, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of Yahweh and the testimony of Yahshua (Revelation 1:9).
Such a direct statement from Yahchanan [John] is not found in the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]” which is why I have concluded that he is not the author of this book as traditionally believed.
I would also like for you to note from the above verse from Revelation that it says “I, Yahchanan [John], … was on the island of Patmos because of the word of Yahweh AND the testimony of Yahshua.
This shows conclusively that Yahshua IS NOT LITERALLY “the word of Yahweh”, but that he is in fact the spokesman of his and our Father Yahweh's word in this last time period and that he gives testimony of his and our Father Yahweh's word. This is why his name/title is called “The Word of Yahweh” in Revelation 19:13.
He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name/title by which he is called is The Word of Yahweh (Revelation 19:13).
Yahshua most certainly did not pre-exist his birth as an actual being as Father Yahweh's “Word” in the beginning with his and our Father Yahweh and was not a creator or co-creator with Him as many deceptively believe and teach.
No, Frank, the author is John the Apostle. Not John the Baptist.Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,So, from the context of the so-called “Book of Yahchanan [John]”, how is it that you conclude that “John the Apostle” is the author?
Also, do you not believe that Yahchanan [John] the Immerser [Baptist] was not sent forth [an apostle] or do you believe that there were two persons named Yahchanan [John] that were sent forth [apostles]?
Please explain from Scripture reference how you have come to any of these conclusions. I would be most interested in your take on any of these matters.
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