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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,12:50) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 12 2011,13:27) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,02:08) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2011,08:58) You and your word are one and the same thing, as far as Glory goes concerning GOD GOD said he gives (HIS) GLORY to (NO) MAN, and I believe Jesus was a MAN>
Bingo!Gene, WHOSE glory do YOU have?
A. Gene has the glory of Gene.
B. Gene has the glory of someone begotten by Gene.Which one is accurate, Gene?
Gene,Now Mike is trying to baffle you with the “glory” word!
My point is not that hard to understand, Frank.1:14 says the Word became flesh AND had a glory as of the only begotten of the Father.
If the Father has the glory of “the Father”, and NOT of “an only begotten OF the Father”, then the Word cannot possibly be “the Father”. The Word must be the “only begotten OF the Father”, because that is the glory the Word had.
Mike,Father Yahweh's word in not a separate being and a person apart from Himself that pre-existed with Him in the beginning. Certainly Father Yahweh's word has esteem (glory), but not as a pre-existent son that was with Him in the beginning. Father Yahweh's word is just that, His word. Father Yahweh's word was with Him in the beginning and He is His word as Yahchanan makes quite clear. Yahchanan said “… and the word was Yahweh ('God').”, not His son Yahshua.
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,19:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,12:04) frank Quote So Pierre, I take it that you believe that you can not possess, have or share the truth right? That is VERY sad! my friend you may understand English better than i do this is certain but as to scriptures you are blind it stops to the reading of your English language,in your spiritual knowledge,and sins spiritual understanding does not make sens to carnal believers,i do know you missed the real value in scriptures ,
What I was saying in my comment is ;GOD IS TRUTH ,HAS THE TRUTH ,NOTHING ELSE HAS TRUTH ,
BUT GOD GIVES TRUTH TO HIS SON ,AND HIS SON GIVE IT TO HIS DISCIPLES ,AND THE DISCIPLES HAVE WRITTEN FOR US TO TAKE PART OF THAT TRUTH and so possess it ;BUT EVEN NOW THIS IS STILL GODS TRUTH ,IF YOU LEAVE IT ALONE AS HE GIVE IT TO US,
BUT YOU CARNAL MINDED KNOW BETTER RIGHT ?D
Pierre:
Pierre,Did not Yahshua proclaim “I am the way the truth and the life.”? First you say “GOD IS TRUTH ,HAS THE TRUTH ,NOTHING ELSE HAS TRUTH” then you contradict yourself and then say “BUT GOD GIVES TRUTH TO HIS SON ,AND HIS SON GIVE IT TO HIS DISCIPLES ,AND THE DISCIPLES HAVE WRITTEN FOR US TO TAKE PART OF THAT TRUTH and so possess it”
When our Heavenly Father and Creator gave His son truth, would he not then have the truth that He had given him. When Yahshua gave the truth to his disciples that his and our Father Yahweh had given to him, wouldn't they all then have the truth? They most certainly would! This makes your statement “NOTHING ELSE HAS TRUTH” an untruth, since they certainly had the truth that was given to them.
frankQuote Did not Yahshua proclaim “I am the way the truth and the life yes he say that ;
but he also say this ;Jn 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
so this you mist on the way wen you read the first verse ??
Pierre
frank
Quote Pierre, I guess you missed the point then! The illustration shows YOUR “Jesus glorified” as many other similar images of YOUR “deity” showing a halo suspended over its head. This image is related to the previous article that I posted entitled “GLORY”. The Messiah did not walk around “glorified” with a sun disc, halo or bright light suspended over his head.
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if you going to talk about the son of God s glory ,then you have to talk about the glory of the father ,and of the disciplles and all others ,just as you would talk about an elephant you cannot just talk about his trumk this would misguiding the audience who are listning ,and this is where you need inside understanding ,
for your info I know what all that crap means but do not touch it ,
Pierre
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,19:54) Pierre, Did you start worshipping Jesus without telling me? Or is Frank just posting more of his usual nonsense?
MikeI would not do that unless i ask you
I am a senior not senile
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,13:39) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,19:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,12:04) frank Quote So Pierre, I take it that you believe that you can not possess, have or share the truth right? That is VERY sad! my friend you may understand English better than i do this is certain but as to scriptures you are blind it stops to the reading of your English language,in your spiritual knowledge,and sins spiritual understanding does not make sens to carnal believers,i do know you missed the real value in scriptures ,
What I was saying in my comment is ;GOD IS TRUTH ,HAS THE TRUTH ,NOTHING ELSE HAS TRUTH ,
BUT GOD GIVES TRUTH TO HIS SON ,AND HIS SON GIVE IT TO HIS DISCIPLES ,AND THE DISCIPLES HAVE WRITTEN FOR US TO TAKE PART OF THAT TRUTH and so possess it ;BUT EVEN NOW THIS IS STILL GODS TRUTH ,IF YOU LEAVE IT ALONE AS HE GIVE IT TO US,
BUT YOU CARNAL MINDED KNOW BETTER RIGHT ?D
Pierre:
Pierre,Did not Yahshua proclaim “I am the way the truth and the life.”? First you say “GOD IS TRUTH ,HAS THE TRUTH ,NOTHING ELSE HAS TRUTH” then you contradict yourself and then say “BUT GOD GIVES TRUTH TO HIS SON ,AND HIS SON GIVE IT TO HIS DISCIPLES ,AND THE DISCIPLES HAVE WRITTEN FOR US TO TAKE PART OF THAT TRUTH and so possess it”
When our Heavenly Father and Creator gave His son truth, would he not then have the truth that He had given him. When Yahshua gave the truth to his disciples that his and our Father Yahweh had given to him, wouldn't they all then have the truth? They most certainly would! This makes your statement “NOTHING ELSE HAS TRUTH” an untruth, since they certainly had the truth that was given to them.
frankQuote Did not Yahshua proclaim “I am the way the truth and the life yes he say that ;
but he also say this ;Jn 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
so this you mist on the way wen you read the first verse ??
Pierre
Pierre,No, I did not miss that verse. Verse 5:19 does not say that Yahshua did not have the truth. In fact Yahshua says at the very beginning of this verse “I tell you the truth …”. If Yahshua did not have the truth he certainly would not be telling them that he was telling them the truth.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,13:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,19:54) Pierre, Did you start worshipping Jesus without telling me? Or is Frank just posting more of his usual nonsense?
MikeI would not do that unless i ask you
I am a senior not senile
Pierre
Pierre,Do you have to get permission from Mike to “worship” the Messiah as the son of Father Yahweh? No wonder you are so lost!
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,20:56) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,13:39) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,19:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,12:04) frank Quote So Pierre, I take it that you believe that you can not possess, have or share the truth right? That is VERY sad! my friend you may understand English better than i do this is certain but as to scriptures you are blind it stops to the reading of your English language,in your spiritual knowledge,and sins spiritual understanding does not make sens to carnal believers,i do know you missed the real value in scriptures ,
What I was saying in my comment is ;GOD IS TRUTH ,HAS THE TRUTH ,NOTHING ELSE HAS TRUTH ,
BUT GOD GIVES TRUTH TO HIS SON ,AND HIS SON GIVE IT TO HIS DISCIPLES ,AND THE DISCIPLES HAVE WRITTEN FOR US TO TAKE PART OF THAT TRUTH and so possess it ;BUT EVEN NOW THIS IS STILL GODS TRUTH ,IF YOU LEAVE IT ALONE AS HE GIVE IT TO US,
BUT YOU CARNAL MINDED KNOW BETTER RIGHT ?D
Pierre:
Pierre,Did not Yahshua proclaim “I am the way the truth and the life.”? First you say “GOD IS TRUTH ,HAS THE TRUTH ,NOTHING ELSE HAS TRUTH” then you contradict yourself and then say “BUT GOD GIVES TRUTH TO HIS SON ,AND HIS SON GIVE IT TO HIS DISCIPLES ,AND THE DISCIPLES HAVE WRITTEN FOR US TO TAKE PART OF THAT TRUTH and so possess it”
When our Heavenly Father and Creator gave His son truth, would he not then have the truth that He had given him. When Yahshua gave the truth to his disciples that his and our Father Yahweh had given to him, wouldn't they all then have the truth? They most certainly would! This makes your statement “NOTHING ELSE HAS TRUTH” an untruth, since they certainly had the truth that was given to them.
frankQuote Did not Yahshua proclaim “I am the way the truth and the life yes he say that ;
but he also say this ;Jn 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
so this you mist on the way wen you read the first verse ??
Pierre
Pierre,No, I did not miss that verse. Verse 5:19 does not say that Yahshua did not have the truth. In fact Yahshua says at the very beginning of this verse “I tell you the truth …”. If Yahshua did not have the truth he certainly would not be telling them that he was telling them the truth.
frankyou still do not get it ;
Christ was created so he had a beginning and that's where he start to know the truth of God ,Pro;8 ;22-30
and sins he did not do the will of his father and so accomplish the truth of his father prior to him going to John to get baptize he was preparing him self for the work to be done
but as soon that he is baptized is live change into the truth of God so that all the works,talks, he does glorifies his father ,and he his glorifies as well because he says that he his the son of God and by doing the will that glorifie s God he get glorified by it because it prove that what he says is the truth,
no lie came out of the lips of Christ ,
we are judged by the truth of God.
see the truth is the most importante thing ,without it all is a lie;
so the truth leads to the true understanding ,with out of it you do not have a key to enter the kingdom,because you are carrying lies,how can you find the kingdom door ?? with lies ??or the trail that leads to that kingdom,impossible .
Pierre
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,21:02) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,13:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,19:54) Pierre, Did you start worshipping Jesus without telling me? Or is Frank just posting more of his usual nonsense?
MikeI would not do that unless i ask you
I am a senior not senile
Pierre
Pierre,Do you have to get permission from Mike to “worship” the Messiah as the son of Father Yahweh? No wonder you are so lost!
frankyeah ,we can see in your comments that you get easy lost in scriptures ,copy and paste does leave anything in the brain ,mind heart or soul,ONLY IN THE FINGER TIPS TO PUSH BOTTONS.
MIKE AND i HAVE A COMMON KNOWLEDGE IN SCRIPTURES VERY CLOSE WHAT HE HAD WRITTEN WAS NOT SERIOUS DO NOT GET ALLARMED
Pierre
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 13 2011,01:04) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 13 2011,00:51) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 12 2011,10:19) Quote (t8 @ Dec. 12 2011,07:16) Edj. Too much water has gone under the bridge for me to read it all, since our last communication.
You say that the Word is the Holy Spirit.
So I want to ask you what you think the sword of the Spirit is.
I think the sword is the word, but you say the spirit is the word.
So what is the sword then?
t8,The sword is one of the representive spiritual divises (powerful weapons for protection in fighting – armour) that are used to fight off the wiles (schemes, strategies, deceits) of the devil (Ephesians 6:11). Clearly the sword represents Father Yahweh's inspired word.
Hi Frank,I agree.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Frank and ED J…………………I also agree with you on this also.peace and love………………………………….gene
Hi Gene,Thank you.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,12:54) Pierre, Did you start worshipping Jesus without telling me? Or is Frank just posting more of his usual nonsense?
Nonsense.Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,14:02) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,13:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,19:54) Pierre, Did you start worshipping Jesus without telling me? Or is Frank just posting more of his usual nonsense?
MikeI would not do that unless i ask you
I am a senior not senile
Pierre
Pierre,Do you have to get permission from Mike to “worship” the Messiah as the son of Father Yahweh? No wonder you are so lost!
That is the sound of the doppler effect on the way out.
A sort of drive by insult, a kick in the balls at a boxing match.Why is it bad news or wrong to some to say that Jesus existed with divine nature (form of God), emptied himself, took on flesh, humbled himself, died, rose from the dead, and is at the right-hand of the majesty on high in the glory that he had with him before the world began.
Who denies this denies scripture and the revelation of who Jesus is and from where he came.
John 6:62
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?Who among you can give the best explanation to make this mean otherwise to what it is saying?
Get crackin boyz. There's some work to be done.
Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,13:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,12:54) Pierre, Did you start worshipping Jesus without telling me? Or is Frank just posting more of his usual nonsense?
Mike,I have no problem with those who “worship” the Messiah. In fact, I myself “worship” the Messiah, since he is most certainly worthy of “worship”, but I most certainly do not worship him as a “God” or as our Heavenly Father and Creator. I “worship” Yahshua as the Messiah the son of the living Yahweh and not as a “God” or as a second Yahweh.
Word Studies On Worship
(shachah, latreuo, and proskuneo)
Frank! I have not been around for awhile, but this post you made is not according to Scriptures…. In fact all you hear today in Churches Jesus here and Jesus there, singing praises to Him and indeed worship Him….So wrong…
Jhn 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.I am showing you this verse first to make you aware that it is Jesus who is saying the next verses
Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
The time is here also that most worship Jesus… you are wrong my friend and should repent of it…
Peace Irene
T8……….I have told you and others here many times GOD via the LOGOS was TRULY (IN) Jesus, now let me explain if GOD willing. Pay attention brother.
John 6:39………… And this is the “WILL” of him that Sent “ME,” (HOLY SPIRIT) or LOGOS, speaking, (IT) was (IN) Jesus the MAN, “that everyone that sees the SON, (Jesus) and believes on (HIM) (did you notice that T8), the Him is referencing Jesus the man, “May have everlasting life”; (now notice closely again brother) and (I) GOD will raise him up at the last day.
T8 ….> did you notice that it was not Jesus speaking but the Logos doing the talking through Jesus It was that LOGOS that was (IN) Christ Jesus that descended from above and would ascend where it was before taking Jesus the resurected MAN with it. T8 GOD was TRULY (IN) Jesus speaking through HIM top us all.
Did you fellow what i was trying to get across T8?
peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,16:31) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,20:56) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,13:39) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,19:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,12:04) frank Quote So Pierre, I take it that you believe that you can not possess, have or share the truth right? That is VERY sad! my friend you may understand English better than i do this is certain but as to scriptures you are blind it stops to the reading of your English language,in your spiritual knowledge,and sins spiritual understanding does not make sens to carnal believers,i do know you missed the real value in scriptures ,
What I was saying in my comment is ;GOD IS TRUTH ,HAS THE TRUTH ,NOTHING ELSE HAS TRUTH ,
BUT GOD GIVES TRUTH TO HIS SON ,AND HIS SON GIVE IT TO HIS DISCIPLES ,AND THE DISCIPLES HAVE WRITTEN FOR US TO TAKE PART OF THAT TRUTH and so possess it ;BUT EVEN NOW THIS IS STILL GODS TRUTH ,IF YOU LEAVE IT ALONE AS HE GIVE IT TO US,
BUT YOU CARNAL MINDED KNOW BETTER RIGHT ?D
Pierre:
Pierre,Did not Yahshua proclaim “I am the way the truth and the life.”? First you say “GOD IS TRUTH ,HAS THE TRUTH ,NOTHING ELSE HAS TRUTH” then you contradict yourself and then say “BUT GOD GIVES TRUTH TO HIS SON ,AND HIS SON GIVE IT TO HIS DISCIPLES ,AND THE DISCIPLES HAVE WRITTEN FOR US TO TAKE PART OF THAT TRUTH and so possess it”
When our Heavenly Father and Creator gave His son truth, would he not then have the truth that He had given him. When Yahshua gave the truth to his disciples that his and our Father Yahweh had given to him, wouldn't they all then have the truth? They most certainly would! This makes your statement “NOTHING ELSE HAS TRUTH” an untruth, since they certainly had the truth that was given to them.
frankQuote Did not Yahshua proclaim “I am the way the truth and the life yes he say that ;
but he also say this ;Jn 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
so this you mist on the way wen you read the first verse ??
Pierre
Pierre,No, I did not miss that verse. Verse 5:19 does not say that Yahshua did not have the truth. In fact Yahshua says at the very beginning of this verse “I tell you the truth …”. If Yahshua did not have the truth he certainly would not be telling them that he was telling them the truth.
frankyou still do not get it ;
Christ was created so he had a beginning and that's where he start to know the truth of God ,Pro;8 ;22-30
and sins he did not do the will of his father and so accomplish the truth of his father prior to him going to John to get baptize he was preparing him self for the work to be done
but as soon that he is baptized is live change into the truth of God so that all the works,talks, he does glorifies his father ,and he his glorifies as well because he says that he his the son of God and by doing the will that glorifie s God he get glorified by it because it prove that what he says is the truth,
no lie came out of the lips of Christ ,
we are judged by the truth of God.
see the truth is the most importante thing ,without it all is a lie;
so the truth leads to the true understanding ,with out of it you do not have a key to enter the kingdom,because you are carrying lies,how can you find the kingdom door ?? with lies ??or the trail that leads to that kingdom,impossible .
Pierre
Pierre,No, it is you that still does not get it! You can't even admit that you contradicted yourself!
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2011,13:47) frank Quote Pierre, I guess you missed the point then! The illustration shows YOUR “Jesus glorified” as many other similar images of YOUR “deity” showing a halo suspended over its head. This image is related to the previous article that I posted entitled “GLORY”. The Messiah did not walk around “glorified” with a sun disc, halo or bright light suspended over his head.
————–
if you going to talk about the son of God s glory ,then you have to talk about the glory of the father ,and of the disciplles and all others ,just as you would talk about an elephant you cannot just talk about his trumk this would misguiding the audience who are listning ,and this is where you need inside understanding ,
for your info I know what all that crap means but do not touch it ,
Pierre
Pierre,No, you don't touch the crap you wollow in it!
Quote (Pastry @ Dec. 14 2011,01:30) Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ Dec. 13 2011,13:07) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2011,12:54) Pierre, Did you start worshipping Jesus without telling me? Or is Frank just posting more of his usual nonsense?
Mike,I have no problem with those who “worship” the Messiah. In fact, I myself “worship” the Messiah, since he is most certainly worthy of “worship”, but I most certainly do not worship him as a “God” or as our Heavenly Father and Creator. I “worship” Yahshua as the Messiah the son of the living Yahweh and not as a “God” or as a second Yahweh.
Word Studies On Worship
(shachah, latreuo, and proskuneo)
Frank! I have not been around for awhile, but this post you made is not according to Scriptures…. In fact all you hear today in Churches Jesus here and Jesus there, singing praises to Him and indeed worship Him….So wrong…
Jhn 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.I am showing you this verse first to make you aware that it is Jesus who is saying the next verses
Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
The time is here also that most worship Jesus… you are wrong my friend and should repent of it…
Peace Irene
Irene,Yes, it is in accordance with Scripture!
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 13 2011,18:51) John 6:62
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?Who among you can give the best explanation to make this mean otherwise to what it is saying?
Get crackin boyz. There's some work to be done.
t8,I have previously presented the following before, but here it is again! How soon they forget!
Following is an excerpt from John Cordaro's article “Did Our Savior Preexist?“:
Yahshua Came Down From Heaven
The phrase “came down from heaven” is difficult for many to understand. The Jews did
not understand either as we read in Jn. 6:42; “And they said, Is not this Yahshua, the
son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that he saith, I came
down from heaven?” There is no doubt that Yahshua was emphasizing his heavenly and
paternal origin, but in what sense was he declaring this? We have already seen that the
phrase “sent from Yahweh” does not necessarily mean to exist side by side with and
then leave Yahweh's presence. Neither does “came down from” mean something
similar.Was Yahshua a pre-existent spirit being living side by side with Yahweh that was
transformed into an embryo placed in Miriam's womb or was he actually “inside”
Yahweh? Jn.17:8 teaches the latter. It reads, “For I have given unto them the words
which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I
came out from thee , and they have believed that thou didst send me.” The Greek word
“exerchomai” translated “came out” specifically means to go out of something that you
were inside of. In this case, Yahshua existed “inside” of Yahweh in a similar sense that
Levi existed inside the “loins of his father” before he was born (Heb. 7:5-10). In that
passage, Levi was not born yet, nor was his father Jacob. Yet, Levi was said to be in
Abraham's loins (in the sense of future lineage). (The lineage of Messiah is spoken of in
Mic 5:2 and it traces all the way back to his Father Yahweh). While it is difficult to
perceive of the Almighty having an “inside,” that is what the text is saying. Yet, this, too,
is figurative and equates with the mind of Yahweh.There will be those who will totally misunderstand my words, so let me clarify this. I am
not suggesting the Almighty has “loins.” Nor am I suggesting Yahshua was conceived in
any manner similar to the manner in which all men are conceived (through
procreation/copulation). Yahweh is Spirit. His Holy Spirit “came upon” Miriam and
miraculously caused her egg to receive the necessary DNA to create a 100% male
child in her womb.Lu 1:35 says, “And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come
upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy
thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”Yahshua declared this truth in Jn.16:27-30 as well. “For the Father himself loveth you,
because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from Yahweh . I came
forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to
the Father. His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no
proverb. Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man
should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from Yahweh.” Yahshua
could not come from Yahweh's side and from inside of Yahweh at the same time. Only
one can be true.A verse that goes hand in hand with the phrase “came down from heaven” is Jn.6:62;
“What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?” Yahshua's
origin is not in question here. Those who reject the pre-existence doctrine should not
reject Yahshua's heavenly origin or that his father was Yahweh. Yahshua was, at one
time, in heaven. He existed in the loins of His Father Yahweh (in the sense of future
lineage) until the appointed time of his earthly birth. Through Yahweh's miraculous Holy
Spirit power He then created in Miriam's egg a 100% man. The belief that Yahshua
was a spirit being that was miniaturized and placed directly into Miriam's womb without
her egg being involved is unscriptural. If that were true, Miriam would merely be a
surrogate mother and Yahshua would not be from the blood line of David.Also see:
Yahshua Came Down From Heaven
By Voy Wilks
1990 – Revised 1993Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 14 2011,01:52) T8……….I have told you and others here many times GOD via the LOGOS was TRULY (IN) Jesus, now let me explain if GOD willing. Pay attention brother. John 6:39………… And this is the “WILL” of him that Sent “ME,” (HOLY SPIRIT) or LOGOS, speaking, (IT) was (IN) Jesus the MAN, “that everyone that sees the SON, (Jesus) and believes on (HIM) (did you notice that T8), the Him is referencing Jesus the man, “May have everlasting life”; (now notice closely again brother) and (I) GOD will raise him up at the last day.
T8 ….> did you notice that it was not Jesus speaking but the Logos doing the talking through Jesus It was that LOGOS that was (IN) Christ Jesus that descended from above and would ascend where it was before taking Jesus the resurected MAN with it. T8 GOD was TRULY (IN) Jesus speaking through HIM top us all.
Did you fellow what i was trying to get across T8?
peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene
Of course I follow what you are saying, but it has no bearing on the truth that Jesus is the logos that was with God.Jesus is also the truth is he not, yet we both know that truth is also an attribute of God.
Perhaps you need to understand that persons are often personifications of God's attributes.
And Jesus being the truth, the life, and the resurrection doesn't diminish these attributes in God the Father.
Rather if Jesus is of God, he will indeed personify many things of God.
In fact he is the full image of the invisible God, so expect that all the attributes of God will be visible in him.This is how your argument sounds to me Gene.
Jesus is not the truth because truth is an attribute of God.Now replace truth for logos in my above sentence and now you understand what I think about your teaching.
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