Preexistence

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  • #55199
    Not3in1
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    Ha – well I suppose mine? But it is also logical to assume that if a “person” is transported down to a women whereby this “person” is then incarnated (not conceived) inside of her as to obtain the human condition only (not a true conception which is the blending of father and mother to make a *new* person), then this “person” is not fundamentally like us; that is, they are not the product of both father and mother combined in true conception.

    Nick – you know what takes place during true conception. Your training, your own fatherhood, your faith in God – you know the difference between conception and incarnation.

    #55205
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    What God calls conception is conception.
    Is not the placing of a divine arrow from your understanding an unusual conception too?

    #55224
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 11 2007,10:30)
    Ha – well I suppose mine?  But it is also logical to assume that if a “person” is transported down to a women whereby this “person” is then incarnated (not conceived) inside of her as to obtain the human condition only (not a true conception which is the blending of father and mother to make a *new* person), then this “person” is not fundamentally like us; that is, they are not the product of both father and mother combined in true conception.

    Nick – you know what takes place during true conception.  Your training, your own fatherhood, your faith in God – you know the difference between conception and incarnation.


    Hi Not3in1:

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    Nick – you know what takes place during true conception.  Your training, your own fatherhood, your faith in God – you know the difference between conception and incarnation.

    This is a very good point Not3in1.  The scripture says that he was conceived of the Holy Ghost.

    God Bless

    #55225
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi 94,
    Hebrews 10:5
    Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

    #55226
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2007,10:38)
    Hi not3,
    What God calls conception is conception.
    Is not the placing of a divine arrow from your understanding an unusual conception too?


    Actually the Isaiah passages are not speaking of conception.

    #55227
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2007,11:42)
    Hi 94,
    Hebrews 10:5
    Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:


    Prepare: make or get ready.

    God prepared a body for Jesus.

    1. God “got ready” a body for Jesus by selecting Mary and putting Logos/Jesus inside of her for the incarnation of Himself or the already existing spirit son.

    2. God “made” a body for Logos/Jesus by the process of true conception.

    Which sounds more scriptural?

    #55229
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 11 2007,14:10)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2007,10:38)
    Hi not3,
    What God calls conception is conception.
    Is not the placing of a divine arrow from your understanding an unusual conception too?


    Actually the Isaiah passages are not speaking of conception.


    Hi not3,
    Was the arrow in the quiver with God? Was the monogenes arrow able to have all creation come through him even though he was still in a quiver?
    Were there other arrows in the quiver? Were any of these arrows actual beings whom God could love and be with? Was God alone before this arrow was begotten? Were other beings with God joyous at the creation of earth and the monogenes being still inert?

    #55230
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 11 2007,14:14)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2007,11:42)
    Hi 94,
    Hebrews 10:5
    Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:


    Prepare:  make or get ready.

    God prepared a body for Jesus.

    1.  God “got ready” a body for Jesus by selecting Mary and putting Logos/Jesus inside of her for the incarnation of Himself or the already existing spirit son.

    2.  God “made” a body for Logos/Jesus by the process of true conception.

    Which sounds more scriptural?


    Hi not3,
    A body was made for Christ by the participation of God with Mary.

    #55231
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2007,14:21)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 11 2007,14:10)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2007,10:38)
    Hi not3,
    What God calls conception is conception.
    Is not the placing of a divine arrow from your understanding an unusual conception too?


    Actually the Isaiah passages are not speaking of conception.


    Hi not3,
    Was the arrow in the quiver with God? Was the monogenes arrow able to have all creation come through him even though he was still in a quiver?
    Were there other arrows in the quiver? Were any of these arrows actual beings whom God could love and be with? Was God alone before this arrow was begotten? Were other beings with God joyous at the creation of earth and the monogenes being still inert?


    I see your points.

    However, God created everything alone. He is able to create all *through* Christ because Christ was literally with him and was him.

    #55232
    Not3in1
    Participant

    I do think you are missing something regarding the quiver – it is a holding place for the arrows (sons). What do men have that hold their sons? I'm not saying God has testicles, but I am saying that he held within him his potential son – who was to come in the future.

    #55233
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 11 2007,14:23)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2007,14:21)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 11 2007,14:10)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2007,10:38)
    Hi not3,
    What God calls conception is conception.
    Is not the placing of a divine arrow from your understanding an unusual conception too?


    Actually the Isaiah passages are not speaking of conception.


    Hi not3,
    Was the arrow in the quiver with God? Was the monogenes arrow able to have all creation come through him even though he was still in a quiver?
    Were there other arrows in the quiver? Were any of these arrows actual beings whom God could love and be with? Was God alone before this arrow was begotten? Were other beings with God joyous at the creation of earth and the monogenes being still inert?


    I see your points.

    However, God created everything alone.  He is able to create all *through* Christ because Christ was literally with him and was him.


    Hi not3,
    So with means IN to you?
    God did not LOVE His monogenes SON?

    #55246
    Not3in1
    Participant

    With = be
    Be = was

    #55250
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 11 2007,14:25)
    I do think you are missing something regarding the quiver – it is a holding place for the arrows (sons).  What do men have that hold their sons?  I'm not saying God has testicles, but I am saying that he held within him his potential son – who was to come in the future.


    Hi not3,
    No human quiver holds sons but only half sons.
    You forget the missing rib again.

    #55251
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 11 2007,16:03)
    With = be
    Be = was


    Hi not3,
    With means with.

    #55255
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2007,16:53)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 11 2007,16:03)
    With = be
    Be = was


    Hi not3,
    With means with.


    Not according to my hand Webster's Dictionary :) It can also mean what I have posted.

    #55256
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2007,16:52)

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 11 2007,14:25)
    I do think you are missing something regarding the quiver – it is a holding place for the arrows (sons).  What do men have that hold their sons?  I'm not saying God has testicles, but I am saying that he held within him his potential son – who was to come in the future.


    Hi not3,
    No human quiver holds sons but only half sons.
    You forget the missing rib again.


    The “potential” son, of course. That is really the point I'm trying to make. Jesus was not already alive in any way other than the manner in which we are speaking.

    #55257
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    God is said to have a son in the OT, not a potential son.

    #55260
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Yes, a future son…..

    #55264
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Ahh not3,
    All is prophecy?

    #55296
    Not3in1
    Participant

    I sense your big *sigh* with me…… :)

    Can you prove that it isn't prophecy? Do the gospel's speak of this preexistent spirit son that you believe in? Where are the teachings so that I may believe.

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