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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 18 2010,03:36) Irene………..You are not understanding that all of what you have quoted can be simply summed up in the Fact that JESUS WAS FOREORDAINED AS PETER SAID HE WAS (BUT ) WAS MANIFESTED IN OUR TIME. Don't you think PETER would Have KNOWN if Jesus Preexisted as a Being of some KIND or for that matter any of the Apostles , Don't you think if such a thing as that were true it would have been spelled out very, very, very, clearly by the Apostles and BY Jesus himself so as there would be (NO) Confusion. So why did they not (PLAINLY) tell us that, why try to hunt a word here or there that can be forced out of context to mean what in fact is not meant. Why can't you understand that. You have come from a background of Catholic churches that believed in Jesus as a GOD or divine Person not really like us at all but a God or demigod or angel of some Kind (incarnated) or Morphed into a Human being so you have this separation belief (IN) You and you it is the Spirit (intellect) of ANTICHRIST and you do not identify with Jesus as One of US at all but push him away from yourself as separated from yourself and mankind. WE need to deal in reality not in MYSTERY RELIGIOUS Beliefs. IMO Peace and love……………………..gene
Gene, I am not going to say much to you about your redicoulous post to me. Mike and JustAskin did enough, and I agree with them. this is the second or third time that you have called me the Spirit of Anti-Christ. Maybe you need to look in the mirror and see yourself. Don't you know that is judging? It has been years since we left the Catholic Church, so to even mention them is so redicoulous to say the least. I have given you plain Scrip0tures and all you do is deny and deny them……. God will not look kindly on that…..Both to judge and deny……get over it and learn from those who give you Scriptures and not accusations….you have become a nasty person. Also the Cathlic Church dioes not believe that Jesus was created, so wrong again…. They believe like WJ does…..Irene
Hi all, I meant to say thankyou for some of the kind words further back,
Gene, this pre-existance discussion will go on and on, no-one here will change to agree with you, I dont see that happening do you ?
I remember a bit of what you are saying on the early church and their fight against gnostics, who believed Jesus was a spirit and never came in the flesh, and also I think they believed he was risen only in the spirit and not the flesh, which is why they said what they did about the antichrist who denies Jesus came in the flesh.I also know that the book – the Sheppard of Hermas – which was one of the most popular readings in the early church, has something much different than anything I think iv seen here.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 18 2010,03:50) Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 17 2010,21:20) Gene I think your right with Jesus body, as I said before I agree on that, Jesus was risen in his (glorified) body and will return in the same way.
Hi Shimmer,Did you get a chance to read 1 Cor 15 yet?
mike
Mike, I did read it, I believe Jesus was risen in the flesh,The early gnostics believed he was spirit only, that he came in spirit and left in spirit,
Here is more on the flesh and spirit, quoted from elsewhere, please read it,
Why is it important to believe Jesus is coming back again physically?
According to the Bible, to say Jesus will or has already come again spiritually is the spirit of antichrist. If anyone claims he has shown up in their home or at their meeting they are denying that He will appear in glory, the same way and in the same place that he left- AS HE PROMISED (acts 1:11). If Jesus does not come back the way He promised in Scripture then we cannot trust the Scripture on what it says about anything about Him.
There are many who refuse to believe Christ took up the same body that died, believing in a spiritual resurrection. 1 John 4:2: “Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.” John is writing after the resurrection, he uses the perfect tense “has come” in the Greek language that denotes a past action with continuing results into the future. John makes it clear that Jesus came in the flesh, rose in the flesh and is still in the flesh.
He continues this concept in 2 John 7 “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” In this epistle John uses the present tense in Greek which focuses specifically on the future coming of the Lord. People that deny that Jesus rose in the flesh or is not coming back in the flesh, by saying He rose as or is coming back as a Spirit or in some other form other than His physical body, are of the spirit of anti-Christ. (1 John 4:2 focuses on the past; 2 John v. 7 focuses on the future). This is a physical body eternally glorified.
This is one of the ways to discern a false teacher from a true one. The statement perceives a already known answer- on who came in the flesh? Rom .9:5 “… and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.” 1 Tim. 3:16: “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh.”
Also the perfect participle is used (eleluthota). This means, according to John, not only that Jesus Christ once came in the fullness of time clothed with flesh, but that He is still in this present condition. What happened at the incarnation has not been changed nor undone. Jesus Christ who 'is come, as man continues to abide in the flesh. Just as it states 1 Tim. 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” If Jesus Christ is not today in flesh in heaven then the integrity of His incarnation has been forfeited, we have no true mediator. For he must be both man and God.
In 2 John 7, the deceivers are identified as men who 'confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh.' The expression 'in (the) flesh' is the same as in I John 4:2, the difference is the present participle has replaced 'the perfect participle, this is understood as a timeless present, which could very well be describing the second Advent.
If one claims that Christ rose as a spirit creature, and not physically, that the glorified body of our Lord is immaterial or non-flesh, is not only unscriptural but of they are of an anti -Christ spirit and denying the third point of the Gospel.
Writing after the Resurrection, John declared that Jesus “came [and remained] in the flesh” (1 John 4:2; 2 John 7). The body that emerged from the tomb Sunday morning was the same body that went in the tomb. He also showed His crucifixion scars on his hands and side on two occasions because of doubt from his disciples that he actually was alive again. To Thomas he said “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe” (John 20:27).
An invisible resurrection would lead to an invisible coming of Jesus. This denies the fact he rose again in the same body and is coming back in this body, seen by all. As Acts 1:11 states, He will come in the same manner he left, visibly, with the physical eye.
Which makes the point even clearer. John considered it one of the ultimate denials of the message to deny flesh of Christ either before or after His resurrection. Our human flesh is part of our human nature as God created it. We are both physical and spirit. John writes in his gospel in v.1-3 the word was God – in v. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.”
To deny that Christ took upon himself human flesh or resurrected in his human flesh is to deny His true humanity. The resurrection body is not a spirit body but a “spiritual” (i.e., meaning a spirit-dominated and directed body 1 Cor. 15:44), it is a material body not an immaterial spirit body.
Shimmer ………..Good post indeed Christ came with a Physical Body died with a Physical and rose with a Physical and is to come back in a Physical body which he now and always will have. And More it says we are waiting for the REDEMPTION of OUR BODIES. Problem is piple think there Spiritual BODIES and in Fact there exists not Such thing as a BODY (composed) of SPIRIT, Spirit is what is (IN) a Body, Not the body it self. Jesus now lives with his physical Body he was raised with that has the seven spirits of GOD In it. Jesus plainly said a Spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see i Have, and even the general resurrection Prophesied at the valley of dead Bones in Ezekiel show this also that All of Israel would be raised and given back Physical Bodies. A Soul is a BODY+ SPIRIT in it. That is what a living SOUL IS. God is the only one who does not have a single Body He lives vicariously (IN) all his creation.
peace and love to you and your Shimmer……………………………………..gene
Hi Shimmer,
These are Paul's words that were not addressed by your source:
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God,
That spells it out pretty clearly if you ask me. Yes Gene, there ARE spiritual BODIES, according to Paul. And if Jesus is still “flesh and blood”, he sure isn't in God's Kingdom right now. So once again, you show your ability to completely ignore what the scriptures plainly say.
Shimmer, I don't think the gnostics were the problem in the first century. It wasn't a matter of some saying Jesus came…….but not in the flesh. It was a matter of getting people to believe that the promised Messiah HAD come, and that he was the only begotten Son of God who was sent from heaven to atone for our sins. They were dealing with the majority of the Jewish people who were still waiting for the promised Christ of God………….people who refused to believe that Jesus WAS that promised Christ. The disciple's message was that the Messiah had already come in the flesh, God had done many signs and wonders through him, then he was killed and raised to life again by God. But they were telling this message to people who didn't want to believe that not only did they miss the promised Messiah they'd been anxiously awaiting, but they killed him. So these people fought back furiously saying the Messiah hadn't yet come, and as far as I know, the Jewish people of today are still waiting for the Messiah. And those are the people John was talking about Shimmer. It was those people who denied the Messiah had already come in the flesh that had the spirit of the antichrist in them.
And there is NOTHING to say Jesus ascended as flesh and blood, nor anything to say he would come back to that same location as your source asserts.
Shimmer, I know you are learning just like the rest of us, but it seems to me you've picked up a dangerous habit here. When pointed to clear scriptures, you decide to ignore them in favor of some other uninspired writing or someone here who is also ignoring plainly written scriptures.
I wouldn't dare tell anyone to just blindly believe what I say, but I don't just pick and choose what I believe at random either. What I will do is point you to scriptures that are the basis for the way I believe. If you understand those scriptures differently than I do, then that's something for us to discuss. Who knows………maybe something you notice in that scripture will unlock a truth that was previously hidden from me. But I pointed you to 1 Cor 15, which clearly distinguishes between “earthly bodies” and “spiritual bodies”…………AND clearly says that “flesh and blood” cannot enter God's Kingdom. And in response, you basically said, “Yeah, I read it, but I'm sticking with Gene and this guy that I quoted.” I can't tell you what to do, but could you do me the honor of telling me exactly what it was in 1 Cor 15 that leads you to believe that Jesus is still in a “flesh and blood” body?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 18 2010,12:10) Shimmer ………..Good post indeed Christ came with a Physical Body died with a Physical and rose with a Physical and is to come back in a Physical body which he now and always will have. And More it says we are waiting for the REDEMPTION of OUR BODIES. Problem is piple think there Spiritual BODIES and in Fact there exists not Such thing as a BODY (composed) of SPIRIT, Spirit is what is (IN) a Body, Not the body it self. Jesus now lives with his physical Body he was raised with that has the seven spirits of GOD In it. Jesus plainly said a Spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see i Have, and even the general resurrection Prophesied at the valley of dead Bones in Ezekiel show this also that All of Israel would be raised and given back Physical Bodies. A Soul is a BODY+ SPIRIT in it. That is what a living SOUL IS. God is the only one who does not have a single Body He lives vicariously (IN) all his creation. peace and love to you and your Shimmer……………………………………..gene
Everything here is fleshly Gene. Is your doctrine of the flesh, of the flesh?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 18 2010,01:25) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 17 2010,15:44) Quote (Baker @ Oct. 17 2010,15:31) Ed. Did The Word of God in John 1:14 become flesh?
Hi Irene,Here are the FACTS, according to The Bible…
“The Word”(Holy Spirit) became fully flesh(in Jesus) at Jesus baptism by John;
He(Holy Spirit) led Jesus into the wilderness in Luke 4:1 and He(Holy Spirit)
caused Jesus to return from the wilderness in Luke 4:14! He(Holy Spirit)
also made Jesus aware that he(Jesus) would have to die on a cross for the sins of mankind!
This is how “The Word”(Jesus’ Father) was made flesh, and dwelt among us. (John 14:9 / John 1:14)John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
for God giveth not the [HolySpirit] by measure unto him(Jesus Christ).The Word becomes flesh in us as well!
Acts12:24 …”The Word” ([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) of God grew and multiplied.
Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought
beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall
be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the HolySpirit.
Luke 12:12 For the HolySpirit shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Matt.10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ………..You have it absolute right, on this one. Except that the Spirit became (fully) Flesh , the spirit came to be (IN) the Flesh Man Jesus. The word of GOD (IS) GODS revelation to us and it came to be (IN) the Flesh man Jesus When He recieved it at the Jordan River GOD and HIS (GODS) Word was manifested to Us through Jesus by the ANOINTING He HAD. That is why he is called the CHRISTOS or ANOINTED ONE. WE also can have this anointing in us to, that is why Jesus said I in you and you in me it is through that same spirit (intellect) expressed in words, the very (intellect) of God that comes through His (God's) Words. “THAT GOD MAY BE ALL AND IN YOU ALL”. That is how it is done God is IN US By his Spirit (intellect) God and His word is one and the same thing. You have that right.peace and love…………………………….gene
Hi Gene,Thank you!
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 18 2010,02:28) Irene……..Preexistences as well as Trinitarians , have this in common , they both believe in the Preexistence of Jesus as a Being of some Kind, one thinks He was a GOD, the others think He was a demigod or morphed angle or what ever. But the Fact are both believe in the Pre earth existence of Jesus. Can you at least agree with that?…. Now if you do agree with that then let me go on here and explain my points, If we believe in Jesus' preexistence then we (ARE) SEPARATING JESUS FROM OUR (EXACT) LIKENESS, Correct? Do you have any problem with this so far? peace and love to you and Georg……………………….gene
Hi Gene,Not if we preexisted as well.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 18 2010,02:49) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 18 2010,01:25) God and His word is one and the same thing. You have that right.
Hi Gene,Then who is the “Word OF God” in Rev?
mike
Hi Mike,The Word of God is “HolySpirit” everywhere in The Bible!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMike, I'm working on it, your post.
Trying to find what the early church believed, what gnostics taught, etc, but it's hard because gnostics have so much information to read through,Mike, most of christianity believe Jesus was risen in the flesh and will return in the same way, the ones who spiritualise it away are usually those who have reason to, example people who said Jesus would return but it never happened, then they say “He returned..In spirit” JWs are one example, we will see him with our “spiritual eyes”…Ed is another.
Shimmer…………Absolutely right, many say Jesus is coming back as a (Spirit Being) and that simply is not true. The Gnostic's had the same Ideology, they believed Jesus was really a Spirit being disguised as a man but really was a God , they believe He came from the Pelora of Gods and only appeared as a Man in the flesh but was really a God who left the Polera to come to earth and straighten everything out. They were the First to separate Jesus from our (EXACT) Identity and all other forms of separation arises through their vain Philosophies and that was what Paul and John were constantly addressing, it was these that crept in and left the fundamental teaching of the true Church they were the starters of the Apostate Churches which eventually took over complete Christianity as it is today> Behind all this Preexistence and Trinity doctrines operates this basic teaching s and that is the (SEPARATION) of Jesus from our (EXACT) Identity, and that is the Spirit (intellect) of Antichrist John was talking about. As you study and look into it more you will see what i am talking about. Incorporate into your studies 2 Ths 2, and you will see how it all fits into those false teachings that Change the true IMAGE of Jesus into the Image of the MAN OF SIN, This is (THE LIE) that Jesus will Himself Abolish when He returns. I am glad you are studying for yourself Shimmer.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 18 2010,19:34) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 18 2010,02:28) Irene……..Preexistences as well as Trinitarians , have this in common , they both believe in the Preexistence of Jesus as a Being of some Kind, one thinks He was a GOD, the others think He was a demigod or morphed angle or what ever. But the Fact are both believe in the Pre earth existence of Jesus. Can you at least agree with that?…. Now if you do agree with that then let me go on here and explain my points, If we believe in Jesus' preexistence then we (ARE) SEPARATING JESUS FROM OUR (EXACT) LIKENESS, Correct? Do you have any problem with this so far? peace and love to you and Georg……………………….gene
Hi Gene,Not if we preexisted as well.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ………..you have (NO) Proof we existed before our Berth on earth other then in the foreknown Plan and WILL of GOD, who know the end all the way from the beginning, Speculation is not Proof EDJ.peace and love…………………………gene
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 18 2010,15:53) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 18 2010,12:10) Shimmer ………..Good post indeed Christ came with a Physical Body died with a Physical and rose with a Physical and is to come back in a Physical body which he now and always will have. And More it says we are waiting for the REDEMPTION of OUR BODIES. Problem is piple think there Spiritual BODIES and in Fact there exists not Such thing as a BODY (composed) of SPIRIT, Spirit is what is (IN) a Body, Not the body it self. Jesus now lives with his physical Body he was raised with that has the seven spirits of GOD In it. Jesus plainly said a Spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see i Have, and even the general resurrection Prophesied at the valley of dead Bones in Ezekiel show this also that All of Israel would be raised and given back Physical Bodies. A Soul is a BODY+ SPIRIT in it. That is what a living SOUL IS. God is the only one who does not have a single Body He lives vicariously (IN) all his creation. peace and love to you and your Shimmer……………………………………..gene
Everything here is fleshly Gene. Is your doctrine of the flesh, of the flesh?
T8………..It is not my doctrine, you need to go talk to the apostle John, and Jesus Who said He was FLESH and BONE even after His RESURRECTION> that seem to be who you have a problem with, and your preexistence doctrines. If you ask me>peace and love ……………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 18 2010,13:40) Hi Shimmer, These are Paul's words that were not addressed by your source:
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
Mike……….It say the first (MAN) ADAM became a living (Being) the Last (MAN) JESUS (BECAME)or came to be, a life-giving Spirit. Either way one way the only difference is a CARNAL (Fleshly MIND) the Other, flesh With a SPIRITUAL MIND they BOTH are flesh Beings. A body is a Body anyway you hack it. Jesus said clearly that a SPIRIT HAS (NO) FLESH and BONE AS HE HAS. And with that BODY HE HAD WENT through a DOOR and appeared unto the Disciples So A FLESH and BONE BODY CAN APPEAR and Disappear . JUST as Jesus DID with His resurected BODY with was FLESH and BONE>Why would scripture say the resurrection will bring the (REDEMPTION OF OUR BODIES THEM.
Why would it say GOD can destory both our Bodies and Soul (IN) Hell or the Grave. Because a BEING or SOUL can NOT EXIST without a BODY to Live in.
What you are doing is confusing language spiritually speaking with literial. For instance it says the Church BODY of Christ Now do you really think that a body call the church (IS) Jesus. No the Body is a SPIRITUAL BODY, of Believers, Nothing Physical about it even tho it exists in Physical BODIES. Because each member is a PHYSICAL Path of that SPIRITUAL BODY.
Paul was meaning that What is (IN) our PHYSICAL BODIES is it a CARNAL mind or a SPIRITUAL MIND He was not addressing the container but what was functioning in the container our (Physical Body) Is it a Carnally operation Body or a Spiritual operating Body. WE have born the (IMAGE) of the earthly and we shall Bare the Image of the Heavenly , but that will be in a PHYSICAL BODY.
When we are told to Let the Mind be (IN) You, that is the SPIRITUAL MIND (IN) YOUR PHYSICAL BODY> Jesus who was the Last ADAM (a CREATION) of GOD Had a SPIRITUAL MIND (IN) HIM and therefor His PHYSICAL BODY came to have a SPIRITUAL Existence after his resurrection. But that could not have happened without a BODY to LIVE in that is for sure , And it is the Same for us all we must attain to the resurrection that witness the redemption OUR BODIES. The ONLY one who can Live and exist outside of a Body is GOD Himself and He live (IN) and Through HIS CREATION> IMO
Boy, oh boy, some really are confused to think that Christ went to Heaven in the flesh. In John it says
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.Also Scripture says
1Cr 15:50 ¶ Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
The glory that Jesus was saying is a Spirit Being which He was before He became a man and that is what He went back to.,.,..Scriptures tell us so.
We should go by Scriptures and not what any man will tell us….
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Baker @ Oct. 19 2010,09:05) Boy, oh boy, some really are confused to think that Christ went to Heaven in the flesh. In John it says
Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.Also Scripture says
1Cr 15:50 ¶ Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
The glory that Jesus was saying is a Spirit Being which He was before He became a man and that is what He went back to.,.,..Scriptures tell us so.
We should go by Scriptures and not what any man will tell us….
Peace and Love Irene
Ireneyou have in Gene ,a special one,he does not beleive in the preexistence of Christ and he also does not beleive in freewill,
but he believes in predeterminism,and he also by this beleive that all man will be saved no matter what they have done God will save them.
so looking at that ,he is a strange believer to me ,but he also believe that he goes to heaven wen he dies.so he must believe he part of the 144k
Pierre
Irene………Flesh and Blood can (not) enter the Kingdom of GOD because the Kingdom of GOD is Spiritual (INTELLECT) But the Kingdom of GOD (CAN) Inter into the Flesh and blood body though the Spirit (INTELLECT). “For the Kingdom of God come without observation it (IS) WITHIN YOU”, you can not Physically see it, it is Spiritually perceived. But we can percieve it Spiritually by our minds that are (IN) our Physical Bodies. Surely you understand this . The Kingdom of GOD was (IN) Jesus who had a Physical Body it is in all who spiritually percieve it.
peace and love to you and Georg………………………………..gene
Terricca…………And what do we have in you, a person who does not believe GOD can Predetermine anything, a GOD who Purposes He is to weak to carry out so He just leaves it all up to a us with our limited understanding because he thinks it is better for man by mans blind and captivated Wills to figure it all out. That is a Joke at best. Why do you “profess GOD but deny His POWER”, is that how your “FREE WILL” salvation works?. A joke at best if you ask me.
peace and love…………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 19 2010,02:32) Irene………Flesh and Blood can (not) enter the Kingdom of GOD because the Kingdom of GOD is Spiritual (INTELLECT) But the Kingdom of GOD (CAN) Inter into the Flesh and blood body though the Spirit (INTELLECT). “For the Kingdom of God come without observation it (IS) WITHIN YOU”, you can not Physically see it, it is Spiritually perceived. But we can percieve it Spiritually by our minds that are (IN) our Physical Bodies. Surely you understand this . The Kingdom of GOD was (IN) Jesus who had a Physical Body it is in all who spiritually percieve it. peace and love to you and Georg………………………………..gene
Gene, I don't even know if I should even say something to you any longer. It does not matter what I and others put in front of , you always have something else to say about it.
No the Kingdom of Almighty God is not in us. The Holy Spirit is in us. When Christ returns it will be a Spiritual Kingdom for all the Saints and the 144 thousand that died for Christ. Nobody has been in Heaven except He who came from Heaven, Jesus. Right now Christ is in Heaven, read Rev. 19:13-16 with an open mind. The King has to come first. I know you don't believe this, but Scriptures say so……..IreneQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 19 2010,02:02) Mike………. Paul was meaning that What is (IN) our PHYSICAL BODIES is it a CARNAL mind or a SPIRITUAL MIND He was not addressing the container but what was functioning in the container our (Physical Body) Is it a Carnally operation Body or a Spiritual operating Body. WE have born the (IMAGE) of the earthly and we shall Bare the Image of the Heavenly , but that will be in a PHYSICAL BODY.
When we are told to Let the Mind be (IN) You, that is the SPIRITUAL MIND (IN) YOUR PHYSICAL BODY>…. IMO
Hi Gene,This illustrates perfectly what the fire of God(HolySpirit)
is going to burn away; 'The flesh MIND'! (2Pt.3:12-13)Your brother in
Christ, Jesus!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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