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Ed J.
You are assuming that the clause “name of Jesus” is referring to the definition of Jesus' surname. That may not be correct as the English word “name” has a number of different meanings of which surname is but one. A title such as “Lord of everything in heaven and on earth” is another definition. A person's character is yet another definition. Authority is yet again another definition. Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head and if I look in a dictionary I would probably find even more possibilities. That is why context and other evidence aids one in determining the actual intended meaning of God.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2010,07:19) Hi Ed, What do you mean? Don't you know the “Word of God” in Rev is Jesus?
mike
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,15:48) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2010,07:19) Hi Ed, What do you mean? Don't you know the “Word of God” in Rev is Jesus?
mike
The scripture actually reads:Revelations 19:13(NIV) reads:
Quote He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
As I pointed out to Ed J. earlier name has a number of possible definitions. In this scripture I believe derived authority fits best.
My reasons depend on the process of elimination. The primary weakness to my argument is there are most likely moIre definitions for the word “name” than I can think of off the top of my head.
I discount it being his surname.
I find it unlikely but not implausible that it is a title as he has a number of titles already listed in the whole passage without emphasizing them by using the word “name”.
It could be his character but the title “faithful and true” and words like “justice” already make that clear enough.
His personal authority is made clear by the title “King of kings and Lord of lords”. His derived authority is from God.
It could easily be a combination of title and derived authority as well as character.
Hi Edj,
And what of all the other Hebrew names that exists.
Did Jacob really name the place where there is a 'ladder' that extends up to heaven with angels ascending and descending on it?And what does the name 'Joshua' mean?
Jesus' name in haeven is never mentioned, end of!
God only said He would send His angel to guide the Israelites and that they should not provoke him because His (God) name was in him.
As kerwin says, and has been shown frm Matthew 28…,'Name' in context, in this context, means 'Power and Authority', God's power and authority resided in that servant whom God would send to lead the Israelites. If you believe then that this was 'he who would become known as Jesus' then you also believe that 'Jesus' was a messenging angel, one of the 'Stars', the 'Morning Stars' that sang together at the end of the great creation of God.
From what I see, you are just playing 'devil's advocate' just for something to post.
You are just causing confusion among those that would be confused, mistrust among those that feed on mistrust, division among those who are divisive.You cannot spin the wheel of your numbers machine any longer as no one is playing at your 'crap's table so you wander into others game play and toss in a few spurious loaded die.
Edj,
Were there Jewish men named 'Jesus' before Jesus was named 'Jesus'.
Was 'Jesus' a unique name to the Jews?Quote (Baker @ Sep. 30 2010,07:47) Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 29 2010,17:30) Hello every one! I thought I would visit my favorite thread to see if there were any new revelations on the subject.
I hope every one is well and happy. As for me, I've taken on a few different jobs and am currently writing a book for Arcadia Publishing Co (their Images of America series.)
I've had the opportunity to visit various churches/faiths and they have all been glorious in their own way. I've learn to appreciate all faiths. I confess that I find the Catholic church to be the most fascinating. It's also the most complex. Still, I do not buy all the Mother sells for a dollar…but it sure is interesting.
My love to you all. Press on!
Mandy
Well Hello Mandy! Good to hear from you….So you been in the Catholic Church and find it interesting/ Wow, I sure hope you would not join them. You remember that we were Catholics until Georg was 46 and I was 45. The Mass is the abomination speaking of in the Bible. The Mass is a sacrifice for sin. Christ died once for all times and not just then. And then there is Maria and the Rosary. Repeating the Our Father over and over again. I back then started a Woman Organization and they also believe that Gay's should be allowed to be Catholics. Only one time right after we left did we go to one Church and to me it was eerie, very eerie and I will never again go there…..Also the way they worship the Pope, He has on His Teairra in Latin that add up to 666. The rest you can see yourself…..Sorry to give yous such bad taste about them, but I needed to do so……. Wish you all the best and congratulation on your Book. Georg too has written one……Are you stricken around or are you just visiting? It's been interesting around here. Nick left, but He is also on Face Book and He is doing great….Having a good time and rest. We have two new Moderators. i know one is Mikebol64 hope I spelled that right. I just call Him Mike and His theology line up with mine….Peace to you Irene
Sis,Good to hear from you, too. No worries – I haven't run off and joined the Catholic Church.
I doubt that I will ever join a church again. It's hard for me to subscribe to any one way of thinking anymore….there are so many theories to choose from. Just take a look at our board, here.So Nick finally gave up on us, huh? Well, God bless him. He did put in the hours… To his credit, he encouraged me when I was down and I do believe the man prayed for me. I wish him well. And I wish the new Mods well.
I probably won't be back for a while again…just passing through.
Love to you and Georg and all the other Heavenneter's from back when…
Love,
MandyQuote (JustAskin @ Oct. 04 2010,02:56) Hi Edj, And what of all the other Hebrew names that exists.
Did Jacob really name the place where there is a 'ladder' that extends up to heaven with angels ascending and descending on it?And what does the name 'Joshua' mean?
Jesus' name in haeven is never mentioned, end of!
God only said He would send His angel to guide the Israelites and that they should not provoke him because His (God) name was in him.
As kerwin says, and has been shown frm Matthew 28…,'Name' in context, in this context, means 'Power and Authority', God's power and authority resided in that servant whom God would send to lead the Israelites. If you believe then that this was 'he who would become known as Jesus' then you also believe that 'Jesus' was a messenging angel, one of the 'Stars', the 'Morning Stars' that sang together at the end of the great creation of God.
From what I see, you are just playing 'devil's advocate' just for something to post.
You are just causing confusion among those that would be confused, mistrust among those that feed on mistrust, division among those who are divisive.You cannot spin the wheel of your numbers machine any longer as no one is playing at your 'crap's table so you wander into others game play and toss in a few spurious loaded die.
Hi JustAskin,Either you want me to respond to your Posts or no?
You don't get to determine any other conditions!
So decide now which way you want it to be?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (JustAskin @ Oct. 04 2010,03:06) Edj,
Were there Jewish men named 'Jesus' before Jesus was named 'Jesus'.
Was 'Jesus' a unique name to the Jews?
Hi JustAskin,First you must answer my previous Post.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMandy,
Glad to hear from you. Missed hearing your point of view. Be careful with both your life and what you choose to believe. May Good instruct you in righteousness and may Jesus guide you beside still waters.
Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 04 2010,13:43) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 30 2010,07:47) Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 29 2010,17:30) Hello every one! I thought I would visit my favorite thread to see if there were any new revelations on the subject.
I hope every one is well and happy. As for me, I've taken on a few different jobs and am currently writing a book for Arcadia Publishing Co (their Images of America series.)
I've had the opportunity to visit various churches/faiths and they have all been glorious in their own way. I've learn to appreciate all faiths. I confess that I find the Catholic church to be the most fascinating. It's also the most complex. Still, I do not buy all the Mother sells for a dollar…but it sure is interesting.
My love to you all. Press on!
Mandy
Well Hello Mandy! Good to hear from you….So you been in the Catholic Church and find it interesting/ Wow, I sure hope you would not join them. You remember that we were Catholics until Georg was 46 and I was 45. The Mass is the abomination speaking of in the Bible. The Mass is a sacrifice for sin. Christ died once for all times and not just then. And then there is Maria and the Rosary. Repeating the Our Father over and over again. I back then started a Woman Organization and they also believe that Gay's should be allowed to be Catholics. Only one time right after we left did we go to one Church and to me it was eerie, very eerie and I will never again go there…..Also the way they worship the Pope, He has on His Teairra in Latin that add up to 666. The rest you can see yourself…..Sorry to give yous such bad taste about them, but I needed to do so……. Wish you all the best and congratulation on your Book. Georg too has written one……Are you stricken around or are you just visiting? It's been interesting around here. Nick left, but He is also on Face Book and He is doing great….Having a good time and rest. We have two new Moderators. i know one is Mikebol64 hope I spelled that right. I just call Him Mike and His theology line up with mine….Peace to you Irene
Sis,Good to hear from you, too. No worries – I haven't run off and joined the Catholic Church.
I doubt that I will ever join a church again. It's hard for me to subscribe to any one way of thinking anymore….there are so many theories to choose from. Just take a look at our board, here.So Nick finally gave up on us, huh? Well, God bless him. He did put in the hours… To his credit, he encouraged me when I was down and I do believe the man prayed for me. I wish him well. And I wish the new Mods well.
I probably won't be back for a while again…just passing through.
Love to you and Georg and all the other Heavenneter's from back when…
Love,
Mandy
Mandy! Glad to hear that you are doing well. I forgot to ask you if you still have your Teacup Business? That alone will keep you busy. I am also relieved that you are not joining any Organized Religion…… Also want to tell you that I have another pastime activity, I joined Face Book, I guess I to;d you already…. My memory is so bad, it surprises me that I do remember some basic Scriptures though…..Hope you come and see us again soon. Until then I wish you all the best and may God bless you and keep you in His Love,
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 03 2010,21:43) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 30 2010,07:47) Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 29 2010,17:30) Hello every one! I thought I would visit my favorite thread to see if there were any new revelations on the subject.
I hope every one is well and happy. As for me, I've taken on a few different jobs and am currently writing a book for Arcadia Publishing Co (their Images of America series.)
I've had the opportunity to visit various churches/faiths and they have all been glorious in their own way. I've learn to appreciate all faiths. I confess that I find the Catholic church to be the most fascinating. It's also the most complex. Still, I do not buy all the Mother sells for a dollar…but it sure is interesting.
My love to you all. Press on!
Mandy
Well Hello Mandy! Good to hear from you….So you been in the Catholic Church and find it interesting/ Wow, I sure hope you would not join them. You remember that we were Catholics until Georg was 46 and I was 45. The Mass is the abomination speaking of in the Bible. The Mass is a sacrifice for sin. Christ died once for all times and not just then. And then there is Maria and the Rosary. Repeating the Our Father over and over again. I back then started a Woman Organization and they also believe that Gay's should be allowed to be Catholics. Only one time right after we left did we go to one Church and to me it was eerie, very eerie and I will never again go there…..Also the way they worship the Pope, He has on His Teairra in Latin that add up to 666. The rest you can see yourself…..Sorry to give yous such bad taste about them, but I needed to do so……. Wish you all the best and congratulation on your Book. Georg too has written one……Are you stricken around or are you just visiting? It's been interesting around here. Nick left, but He is also on Face Book and He is doing great….Having a good time and rest. We have two new Moderators. i know one is Mikebol64 hope I spelled that right. I just call Him Mike and His theology line up with mine….Peace to you Irene
Sis,Good to hear from you, too. No worries – I haven't run off and joined the Catholic Church.
I doubt that I will ever join a church again. It's hard for me to subscribe to any one way of thinking anymore….there are so many theories to choose from. Just take a look at our board, here.So Nick finally gave up on us, huh? Well, God bless him. He did put in the hours… To his credit, he encouraged me when I was down and I do believe the man prayed for me. I wish him well. And I wish the new Mods well.
I probably won't be back for a while again…just passing through.
Love to you and Georg and all the other Heavenneter's from back when…
Love,
Mandy
Hey Mandy, Kris
Nice to see you here. Still praying for you and yours.
Blessings Keith
Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 05 2010,08:30) Edj, what question was that?
I think you fail to answer me because you cannot?
Hi JustAskin,You can think whatever you want, but that doesn't mean your thinking lines up with reality!
If you give up on trying to control how and what I choose to respond to,
then I will gladly give you an answer to any question you may have!The only control I will give to you is: whether you want me to reply to you
or not at all. This is the question you must first answer for me to proceed; OK?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgAll,
Heres how it goes,
First, what was Jesus before being Jesus ?
The word.
What was the word ?
The Logos
Logos (λóγος, the Greek for “word”, “wisdom” or “reason”)
Jesus, revealer of the unseen God
Something was shown to me from God not long ago about the son, it was the word 'bond', and here I just found the same word spoken by Philo..
““The Logos of the living God is the bond, holding all things together and binding all the parts, preventing them from being dissolved and separated”
“He holds all things together” Colossians 1
Book of Wisdom 9:1-4, 9, 17-18 http://www.newadvent.org/bible/wis001.htm
God of my fathers, and Lord of mercy, who have made all things with your word, and by your wisdom have appointed man, that he should have dominion over the creature that was made by you, that he should order the world according to equity and justice, and execute justice with an upright heart: Give me wisdom, that sits by your throne, and cast me not off from among your children:
And your wisdom with you, which knows your works, which then also was present when you made the world, and knew what was agreeable to your eyes, and what was right in your commandments.
And who shall know your thought, unless you give wisdom, and send your holy Spirit from above: And so the ways of them that are upon earth may be corrected, and men may learn the things that please you?
Ecclesiasticus 24:1-12. http://www.newadvent.org/bible/sir001.htm
Wisdom shall praise her own self, and shall be honoured in God, and shall glory in the midst of her people, and shall open her mouth in the churches of the most High, and shall glorify herself in the sight of his power, and in the midst of her own people she shall be exalted, and shall be admired in the holy assembly. And in the multitude of the elect she shall have praise, and among the blessed she shall be blessed, saying: I came out of the mouth of the most High, the firstborn before all creatures:
I made that in the heavens there should rise light that never fails, and as a cloud I covered all the earth: I dwelt in the highest places, and my throne is in a pillar of a cloud. I alone have compassed the circuit of heaven, and have penetrated into the bottom of the deep, and have walked in the waves of the sea, and have stood in all the earth: and in every people, and in every nation I have had the chief rule:
And by my power I have trodden under my feet the hearts of all the high and low: and in all these I sought rest, and I shall abide in the inheritance of the Lord. Then the creator of all things commanded, and said to me: and he that made me, rested in my tabernacle,
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,18:10) All, Heres how it goes,
First, what was Jesus before being Jesus ?
The word.
Hi Shimmer,The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Do you even bother think this idea out to its rational conclusion?
Here are FIVE questions that requires your like-minded to answer…Was the world without “the word” before Jesus was born?
Was “the word” confined to Jesus while he walked the Earth?
Was the world without “the word” while Jesus' corps lie in the tomb?
Was the world without “the word” when Jesus ascended into heaven?
Is the world without “the word” now that Jesus is NOT here in the flesh?Loose the irrational thought taught by the systems of religion!
Clearly “The Word” is the “HolySpirit” rather than Jesus! (Click Here)Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Hi Ed, the questions you ask are confusing, ha, and you say “The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit”.Ed, what I put is in the Bible. Have you ever read the Book of Wisdom or Ecclesiasticus ? Are they even in the version you use ?
To All,
You know what is Strange,
That the NT writers Paul and John wrote about many things that were not in the OT.
1. That Jesus Participated within Creation excluding Psalms
2. That John “maybe” purpously tried to copy Genesis 1:1-5 in John 1:1-5
3. Hebrews gives revelation that Jesus creative Particiaption as wellSo just saying,
STranGe,not that i doubt any of it, i just wanted to share
Quote (shimmer @ Oct. 05 2010,12:10) All, Heres how it goes,
First, what was Jesus before being Jesus ?
The word.
What was the word ?
The Logos
Logos (λóγος, the Greek for “word”, “wisdom” or “reason”)
Jesus, revealer of the unseen God
Something was shown to me from God not long ago about the son, it was the word 'bond', and here I just found the same word spoken by Philo..
““The Logos of the living God is the bond, holding all things together and binding all the parts, preventing them from being dissolved and separated”
“He holds all things together” Colossians 1
Book of Wisdom 9:1-4, 9, 17-18 http://www.newadvent.org/bible/wis001.htm
God of my fathers, and Lord of mercy, who have made all things with your word, and by your wisdom have appointed man, that he should have dominion over the creature that was made by you, that he should order the world according to equity and justice, and execute justice with an upright heart: Give me wisdom, that sits by your throne, and cast me not off from among your children:
And your wisdom with you, which knows your works, which then also was present when you made the world, and knew what was agreeable to your eyes, and what was right in your commandments.
And who shall know your thought, unless you give wisdom, and send your holy Spirit from above: And so the ways of them that are upon earth may be corrected, and men may learn the things that please you?
Ecclesiasticus 24:1-12. http://www.newadvent.org/bible/sir001.htm
Wisdom shall praise her own self, and shall be honoured in God, and shall glory in the midst of her people, and shall open her mouth in the churches of the most High, and shall glorify herself in the sight of his power, and in the midst of her own people she shall be exalted, and shall be admired in the holy assembly. And in the multitude of the elect she shall have praise, and among the blessed she shall be blessed, saying: I came out of the mouth of the most High, the firstborn before all creatures:
I made that in the heavens there should rise light that never fails, and as a cloud I covered all the earth: I dwelt in the highest places, and my throne is in a pillar of a cloud. I alone have compassed the circuit of heaven, and have penetrated into the bottom of the deep, and have walked in the waves of the sea, and have stood in all the earth: and in every people, and in every nation I have had the chief rule:
And by my power I have trodden under my feet the hearts of all the high and low: and in all these I sought rest, and I shall abide in the inheritance of the Lord. Then the creator of all things commanded, and said to me: and he that made me, rested in my tabernacle,
umm shimmer?
What are these books?
I clicked the link and now im confusedexplaination?
Hi. What I find strange is how people ignore to even read these books such as Wisdom and the others which are in other Bibles (I have The Jerusalem Bible which has them all in it)
So people here prefer things like Early Church Fathers, or books (Ed) of modern day, but what of these others which arent in modern translations ?
And everything here gets confusing, my mind gets so cluttered,
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