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Quote (JustAskin @ July 14 2010,12:23) Martian, You Win against JustAskin also.
JustAskin leaves this Lunatic Asylum thread to the lunatics.
If you cannot answer my posts then it is not I that wins but you that loses. I care not for victory at the expense of your wellbeing.
I am sorry for you that you do not get what Gene and I are trying to convey. Because of your not understanding, you will lose out on many things in God.Quote (JustAskin @ July 14 2010,12:41) Martian, let me try again, Teacher Type to Student Type: Human Teacher/Master for Human Student/Servant.
An unlearned Student/Servant goes to a learned Teacher/Master to get learned and become themselves a Teacher/Master
Should that Teacher/Master be in ignorance as the Student/Servant?
Surely the Teacher/Master (Ideally) should be 'Perfect' – the very idealisation/epitome of “Perfect/Expert/Professional” (And what if there were such a person : Yes, Jesus)Ok, just work with that.
I am talking about teaching by example and not by the transfer of some intellectual concept.
information can impact our wills. If Christ possesed some knowledge via his experiences that we do not posses it will impact his will. He can tell us about that experience all day long and it will not have the same effect as experiencing it ourselves. this give christ a distinctly advantage over us and therefore cannot be our example.
If he had actual supernatural powers based on being preexisistant then it becomes worse.
Let's take you example of driving lessons.
I go to a teacher to learn how to drive. this teacher has some powers that I do not have. He moves the wheel by Telekenisis. I do not have that power. How does that help me?
If christ preexisted and that preexistence gave him access to power that we do not poses, then how does that help me? He can tell me to move the wheel all day long but without his same power I cannot follow his example.There are many competing theories of how much the Christ on Earth was effected by his preexistence.
Did the knowledge of his prior life give him an extra incentive to overcome that we do not have because we do not have the experience of the prior life in heaven?
If he was some sort of super human or a simi-God and he overcomes temptation based on these factors, how does that show me an example to follow? I do not and can never poses the factors he used to overcome.
If he was some sort of super human or a simi-God and is raised from the dead based on those factors, how does that help me. What hope can I have in normal humanity being resurrected with no example of a normal resurrected human to follow? That would mean that Christ opening the door to salvation BY HIS EXAMPLE would only apply to other super humans or simi-Gods.
The farther you take Christ from normal humanity, the farther his example is from our ability to follow it.Marty,
There was a time when you had credible posts.
It pains me to see the trashy posts that you make now.
Is this what happens when one does not get their own point across?
I'd better watch out. Thanks for being an example. If it pleased God, then He will bless you….and you will know it.
And if He does not, you will know that, also.It completely flummoxes me how you can belittle examples of one perfect human teaching another, and first, couch it as being taught by a druggy, and by an animal and by …whatever, when it is clearly shown that the point was that the person was a 'perfect teacher'. Your downplaying can only mean that your aim was always to try to claim Jesus as purely a man with no former Spiritual position, contrary to the gospels, therefore you brought stupidity into play to cover what was an obvious truth.
Jesus 'ascended' to where he once was. That is, as a Spirit in heaven.
Jesus also has 'body' which he did not have before because he was 'pure' Spirit. Now he is able to go between Heaven and Earth, in heaven as Spirit and on Earth in a recogniseable human body. All other angels, or Spirits, that made visitations on mankind were in 'non-descript bodies' and clearly had an aura that would have showed they were angels, spirits, in human form, like 'appearing out of nowhere', their mode of speech…always bringing a message, not just idly passing by, because they were 'sent' by God to perform an explicit task and only that. They were quite directed and pointed, they HAD to achieve their commission!
Had the host been more observant, they would have noticed. How else then could they have said to be in error when they tried to do obeisance to them?Jesus, many times, showed his disciples places in the Scriptures where he is referred to. God did not want to overshadow Jesus' human achievements by exposing his Spiritual ones more than necessary such that the Jews would attempt to Worship Jesus as God…from God.
Who understands this: God call 'Jesus', His '[Perfect] Servant…Hidden in the Palm of His [Right] Hand'
How is Jesus said to have created the heavens and the earth and the powers and dominions within, if he did not preExist. Then he is a liar.
Martian and Gene call Jesus a liar.
And if Jesus is a 'Liar' then the whole of Scriptures is a 'Lie'.
And if Scriptures is a 'Lie' then there is no Sin…
And if there is no Sin, then there needs be no salvation from Sin…
And if there needs no salvation then …we are all doomed… In 65 trillian years time when the sun implodes…“Oh well, just time for a quick cup if tea, then” (Arthur Dent, Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy)
Hi JA,
You seem to add a lot here to what is written.
Then you stand on your fabrications and judge others?
We do need to watch ourselves and watch our teachingQuote (martian @ July 15 2010,03:25) Quote (JustAskin @ July 14 2010,12:41) Martian, let me try again, Teacher Type to Student Type: Human Teacher/Master for Human Student/Servant.
An unlearned Student/Servant goes to a learned Teacher/Master to get learned and become themselves a Teacher/Master
Should that Teacher/Master be in ignorance as the Student/Servant?
Surely the Teacher/Master (Ideally) should be 'Perfect' – the very idealisation/epitome of “Perfect/Expert/Professional” (And what if there were such a person : Yes, Jesus)Ok, just work with that.
I am talking about teaching by example and not by the transfer of some intellectual concept.
information can impact our wills. If Christ possesed some knowledge via his experiences that we do not posses it will impact his will. He can tell us about that experience all day long and it will not have the same effect as experiencing it ourselves. this give christ a distinctly advantage over us and therefore cannot be our example.
If he had actual supernatural powers based on being preexisistant then it becomes worse.
Let's take you example of driving lessons.
I go to a teacher to learn how to drive. this teacher has some powers that I do not have. He moves the wheel by Telekenisis. I do not have that power. How does that help me?
If christ preexisted and that preexistence gave him access to power that we do not poses, then how does that help me? He can tell me to move the wheel all day long but without his same power I cannot follow his example.There are many competing theories of how much the Christ on Earth was effected by his preexistence.
Did the knowledge of his prior life give him an extra incentive to overcome that we do not have because we do not have the experience of the prior life in heaven?
If he was some sort of super human or a simi-God and he overcomes temptation based on these factors, how does that show me an example to follow? I do not and can never poses the factors he used to overcome.
If he was some sort of super human or a simi-God and is raised from the dead based on those factors, how does that help me. What hope can I have in normal humanity being resurrected with no example of a normal resurrected human to follow? That would mean that Christ opening the door to salvation BY HIS EXAMPLE would only apply to other super humans or simi-Gods.
The farther you take Christ from normal humanity, the farther his example is from our ability to follow it.
martian………….Brother they just do not get it no matter who plain we make it. They have bought into the lies of the apostate Churches. Keep up the good fight brother, it will pay in the end when we see our Brother Jesus and He says well done brothers. IMOpeace and love to you and yours brother…………………….gene
Quote (JustAskin @ July 15 2010,05:01) Marty, There was a time when you had credible posts.
It pains me to see the trashy posts that you make now.
Is this what happens when one does not get their own point across?
I'd better watch out. Thanks for being an example. If it pleased God, then He will bless you….and you will know it.
And if He does not, you will know that, also.It completely flummoxes me how you can belittle examples of one perfect human teaching another, and first, couch it as being taught by a druggy, and by an animal and by …whatever, when it is clearly shown that the point was that the person was a 'perfect teacher'. Your downplaying can only mean that your aim was always to try to claim Jesus as purely a man with no former Spiritual position, contrary to the gospels, therefore you brought stupidity into play to cover what was an obvious truth.
Jesus 'ascended' to where he once was. That is, as a Spirit in heaven.
Jesus also has 'body' which he did not have before because he was 'pure' Spirit. Now he is able to go between Heaven and Earth, in heaven as Spirit and on Earth in a recogniseable human body. All other angels, or Spirits, that made visitations on mankind were in 'non-descript bodies' and clearly had an aura that would have showed they were angels, spirits, in human form, like 'appearing out of nowhere', their mode of speech…always bringing a message, not just idly passing by, because they were 'sent' by God to perform an explicit task and only that. They were quite directed and pointed, they HAD to achieve their commission!
Had the host been more observant, they would have noticed. How else then could they have said to be in error when they tried to do obeisance to them?Jesus, many times, showed his disciples places in the Scriptures where he is referred to. God did not want to overshadow Jesus' human achievements by exposing his Spiritual ones more than necessary such that the Jews would attempt to Worship Jesus as God…from God.
Who understands this: God call 'Jesus', His '[Perfect] Servant…Hidden in the Palm of His [Right] Hand'
How is Jesus said to have created the heavens and the earth and the powers and dominions within, if he did not preExist. Then he is a liar.
Martian and Gene call Jesus a liar.
And if Jesus is a 'Liar' then the whole of Scriptures is a 'Lie'.
And if Scriptures is a 'Lie' then there is no Sin…
And if there is no Sin, then there needs be no salvation from Sin…
And if there needs no salvation then …we are all doomed… In 65 trillian years time when the sun implodes…“Oh well, just time for a quick cup if tea, then” (Arthur Dent, Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy)
If Jesus had any knowledge not available to the rest of humanity due to his preexistence then it would effect his will and decision making.For example — I you know that putting your hand on a hot stove will result in your getting burnt. That knowledge will effect your decision to touch it. You will exercise your will against touching that stove.
If Christ had knowledge of his prior life and relationship with God it would effect the decisions that he made on Earth. We do not have that prior knowledge/experience and that gives Christ a advantage and nulifies him as our example. We cannot make decisions like him because we do not start from the same position in knowledge or power.
Quote (JustAskin @ July 15 2010,05:01) Marty, There was a time when you had credible posts.
It pains me to see the trashy posts that you make now.
Is this what happens when one does not get their own point across?
I'd better watch out. Thanks for being an example. If it pleased God, then He will bless you….and you will know it.
And if He does not, you will know that, also.It completely flummoxes me how you can belittle examples of one perfect human teaching another, and first, couch it as being taught by a druggy, and by an animal and by …whatever, when it is clearly shown that the point was that the person was a 'perfect teacher'. Your downplaying can only mean that your aim was always to try to claim Jesus as purely a man with no former Spiritual position, contrary to the gospels, therefore you brought stupidity into play to cover what was an obvious truth.
Jesus 'ascended' to where he once was. That is, as a Spirit in heaven.
Jesus also has 'body' which he did not have before because he was 'pure' Spirit. Now he is able to go between Heaven and Earth, in heaven as Spirit and on Earth in a recogniseable human body. All other angels, or Spirits, that made visitations on mankind were in 'non-descript bodies' and clearly had an aura that would have showed they were angels, spirits, in human form, like 'appearing out of nowhere', their mode of speech…always bringing a message, not just idly passing by, because they were 'sent' by God to perform an explicit task and only that. They were quite directed and pointed, they HAD to achieve their commission!
Had the host been more observant, they would have noticed. How else then could they have said to be in error when they tried to do obeisance to them?Jesus, many times, showed his disciples places in the Scriptures where he is referred to. God did not want to overshadow Jesus' human achievements by exposing his Spiritual ones more than necessary such that the Jews would attempt to Worship Jesus as God…from God.
Who understands this: God call 'Jesus', His '[Perfect] Servant…Hidden in the Palm of His [Right] Hand'
How is Jesus said to have created the heavens and the earth and the powers and dominions within, if he did not preExist. Then he is a liar.
Martian and Gene call Jesus a liar.
And if Jesus is a 'Liar' then the whole of Scriptures is a 'Lie'.
And if Scriptures is a 'Lie' then there is no Sin…
And if there is no Sin, then there needs be no salvation from Sin…
And if there needs no salvation then …we are all doomed… In 65 trillian years time when the sun implodes…“Oh well, just time for a quick cup if tea, then” (Arthur Dent, Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy)
Never ever say that I call Jesus a liar again. I call your interpretation of scriptures a lie and I call the theories you derive from those wrong interpretations a lie.Quote (JustAskin @ July 15 2010,05:01) Marty, There was a time when you had credible posts.
It pains me to see the trashy posts that you make now.
Is this what happens when one does not get their own point across?
I'd better watch out. Thanks for being an example. If it pleased God, then He will bless you….and you will know it.
And if He does not, you will know that, also.It completely flummoxes me how you can belittle examples of one perfect human teaching another, and first, couch it as being taught by a druggy, and by an animal and by …whatever, when it is clearly shown that the point was that the person was a 'perfect teacher'. Your downplaying can only mean that your aim was always to try to claim Jesus as purely a man with no former Spiritual position, contrary to the gospels, therefore you brought stupidity into play to cover what was an obvious truth.
Jesus 'ascended' to where he once was. That is, as a Spirit in heaven.
Jesus also has 'body' which he did not have before because he was 'pure' Spirit. Now he is able to go between Heaven and Earth, in heaven as Spirit and on Earth in a recogniseable human body. All other angels, or Spirits, that made visitations on mankind were in 'non-descript bodies' and clearly had an aura that would have showed they were angels, spirits, in human form, like 'appearing out of nowhere', their mode of speech…always bringing a message, not just idly passing by, because they were 'sent' by God to perform an explicit task and only that. They were quite directed and pointed, they HAD to achieve their commission!
Had the host been more observant, they would have noticed. How else then could they have said to be in error when they tried to do obeisance to them?Jesus, many times, showed his disciples places in the Scriptures where he is referred to. God did not want to overshadow Jesus' human achievements by exposing his Spiritual ones more than necessary such that the Jews would attempt to Worship Jesus as God…from God.
Who understands this: God call 'Jesus', His '[Perfect] Servant…Hidden in the Palm of His [Right] Hand'
How is Jesus said to have created the heavens and the earth and the powers and dominions within, if he did not preExist. Then he is a liar.
Martian and Gene call Jesus a liar.
And if Jesus is a 'Liar' then the whole of Scriptures is a 'Lie'.
And if Scriptures is a 'Lie' then there is no Sin…
And if there is no Sin, then there needs be no salvation from Sin…
And if there needs no salvation then …we are all doomed… In 65 trillian years time when the sun implodes…“Oh well, just time for a quick cup if tea, then” (Arthur Dent, Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy)
JustAskin! I agree with some what you are saying. Scripture tells us that Jesus was in Heaven with His Father before the world was. By Jesus own words. But what I don't like from you and Martian and anyone who judges another person. I can to some degree understand you, but not to the degree of judging. Enough is going on this tread and other treads. Let us set an example to do what Jesus would have done, in a situation like this….I don't understand either how members can just ignore several Scriptures that clearly say that Jesus was a Spirit being before He became a man….. But I have learned the hard way that we cannot open another persons mind. We have to leave that up to God….You know I have found that on Face-book some are better Christians then here…. interesting in deed. I give you just one example. When Kathi lost Her Father , here 3 people said to Her that they are going to pray for Her. On Face-book many more….
Peace be with you, IreneHi All,
Wow, this thread is something!
I saw where Irene challeged Marty to a Q&A debate on preexistence. I would love to see that. Marty, Gene, and Martian keep spouting the same tired stuff while ignoring straight forward scriptures.What do you say Marty? I would like to see this discussion go somewhere besides all of us slamming each other.
You and Irene could take turns listing a scripture and discussing only that scripture until it is resolved or stalemated. Then the other could list one scripture that supports their view, and so on.
I started to answer Martian's last post to me, but what's the use? He doesn't seem to want to get to the bottom of anything, just hurl insults.
Hey Martian! If Marty declines, I will happily debate you on pre-existence in the manner described above since I gather that Irene doesn't speak to you. It's easy for me to see scripture backs pre-existence, but I'm willing to hear your side of the matter – just not in the jumbled up mess of accusations and heated tempers this thread has become.
peace and love to all,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2010,09:54) Hi All, Wow, this thread is something!
I saw where Irene challeged Marty to a Q&A debate on preexistence. I would love to see that. Marty, Gene, and Martian keep spouting the same tired stuff while ignoring straight forward scriptures.What do you say Marty? I would like to see this discussion go somewhere besides all of us slamming each other.
You and Irene could take turns listing a scripture and discussing only that scripture until it is resolved or stalemated. Then the other could list one scripture that supports their view, and so on.
I started to answer Martian's last post to me, but what's the use? He doesn't seem to want to get to the bottom of anything, just hurl insults.
Hey Martian! If Marty declines, I will happily debate you on pre-existence in the manner described above since I gather that Irene doesn't speak to you. It's easy for me to see scripture backs pre-existence, but I'm willing to hear your side of the matter – just not in the jumbled up mess of accusations and heated tempers this thread has become.
peace and love to all,
mike
Mike I agree with you that this tread has been nothing but insults upon insults, and truly I cant stand that…. We are all humans and do not all have all the truths. We should be incouraged with each other, rather then tearing each other down. That is what has been going on and on here….. I also believe that they do not want to debate with one person head on….. It is that reason why I will not debate with Martian….. And if Marty keeps it up He will be influenced by the rest of them. I always had respect for Marty….. but that respect flies out of the window when someone insults another….Peace and Love to you, IreneHi,
Jesus CHRIST is the same yesterday today and forever.
But we do not speak of Jesus still according to the fleshQuote (Arnold @ July 15 2010,10:32) Mike I agree with you that this tread has been nothing but insults upon insults, and truly I cant stand that…. We are all humans and do not all have all the truths. We should be incouraged with each other, rather then tearing each other down. That is what has been going on and on here….. I also believe that they do not want to debate with one person head on….. It is that reason why I will not debate with Martian….. And if Marty keeps it up He will be influenced by the rest of them. I always had respect for Marty….. but that respect flies out of the window when someone insults another….Peace and Love to you, Irene
Hi Irene,You know, JA just made a similar comment about Marty. And when I read it, I agreed with him. Marty seems to have gotten “mean”.
It's hard to endure insults over and over and not eventually strike back, so I'm not judging Marty or anyone else.
I sincerely think if he does the debate with you, he would be his normal polite self for he won't feel the heat from many others breathing down his neck and distracting the points he is trying to make.
That's why I like the point by point one on one debates anyway. Besides, you can actually get to the bottom of something.
And I ALWAYS end up learning something new about the word of God. ps I miss Georg's posts here. I hope he is well.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 15 2010,10:47) Quote (Arnold @ July 15 2010,10:32) Mike I agree with you that this tread has been nothing but insults upon insults, and truly I cant stand that…. We are all humans and do not all have all the truths. We should be incouraged with each other, rather then tearing each other down. That is what has been going on and on here….. I also believe that they do not want to debate with one person head on….. It is that reason why I will not debate with Martian….. And if Marty keeps it up He will be influenced by the rest of them. I always had respect for Marty….. but that respect flies out of the window when someone insults another….Peace and Love to you, Irene
Hi Irene,You know, JA just made a similar comment about Marty. And when I read it, I agreed with him. Marty seems to have gotten “mean”.
It's hard to endure insults over and over and not eventually strike back, so I'm not judging Marty or anyone else.
I sincerely think if he does the debate with you, he would be his normal polite self for he won't feel the heat from many others breathing down his neck and distracting the points he is trying to make.
That's why I like the point by point one on one debates anyway. Besides, you can actually get to the bottom of something.
And I ALWAYS end up learning something new about the word of God. ps I miss Georg's posts here. I hope he is well.
peace and love,
mike
Mike Georg is fine and He has posted at times in Prophecy, that is His cup of tea. He has a good understanding of Ancient History. The thing with Marty is that He does not like to debate. That is so funny, I wonder what He is doing right now….. He falls over the word debate?
Oh, well to each His own….
Peace and Love to you, IreneQuote (JustAskin @ July 15 2010,05:01) Marty, There was a time when you had credible posts.
It pains me to see the trashy posts that you make now.
Is this what happens when one does not get their own point across?
I'd better watch out. Thanks for being an example. If it pleased God, then He will bless you….and you will know it.
And if He does not, you will know that, also.It completely flummoxes me how you can belittle examples of one perfect human teaching another, and first, couch it as being taught by a druggy, and by an animal and by …whatever, when it is clearly shown that the point was that the person was a 'perfect teacher'. Your downplaying can only mean that your aim was always to try to claim Jesus as purely a man with no former Spiritual position, contrary to the gospels, therefore you brought stupidity into play to cover what was an obvious truth.
Jesus 'ascended' to where he once was. That is, as a Spirit in heaven.
Jesus also has 'body' which he did not have before because he was 'pure' Spirit. Now he is able to go between Heaven and Earth, in heaven as Spirit and on Earth in a recogniseable human body. All other angels, or Spirits, that made visitations on mankind were in 'non-descript bodies' and clearly had an aura that would have showed they were angels, spirits, in human form, like 'appearing out of nowhere', their mode of speech…always bringing a message, not just idly passing by, because they were 'sent' by God to perform an explicit task and only that. They were quite directed and pointed, they HAD to achieve their commission!
Had the host been more observant, they would have noticed. How else then could they have said to be in error when they tried to do obeisance to them?Jesus, many times, showed his disciples places in the Scriptures where he is referred to. God did not want to overshadow Jesus' human achievements by exposing his Spiritual ones more than necessary such that the Jews would attempt to Worship Jesus as God…from God.
Who understands this: God call 'Jesus', His '[Perfect] Servant…Hidden in the Palm of His [Right] Hand'
How is Jesus said to have created the heavens and the earth and the powers and dominions within, if he did not preExist. Then he is a liar.
Martian and Gene call Jesus a liar.
And if Jesus is a 'Liar' then the whole of Scriptures is a 'Lie'.
And if Scriptures is a 'Lie' then there is no Sin…
And if there is no Sin, then there needs be no salvation from Sin…
And if there needs no salvation then …we are all doomed… In 65 trillian years time when the sun implodes…“Oh well, just time for a quick cup if tea, then” (Arthur Dent, Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy)
Hi JA:My example is my Lord:
Quote 1 Peter 2:23 (King James Version) 23Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
He knows the heart of both you and I, and he is able to confirm His Word if it is taught in truth, and ultimately, it is He who will say who is teaching the truth.
God Bless you. With the same judgment that you judge you will also be judged.
Love in Christ,
MartyIrene,
It is easy to be happy when “friends” do and say the things you want to hear them say and do. That is no challenge.
The “Challenge”is how to adjure when they are not “Friends” (or are Friends) and do NOT say the wrong things (that you do not want to hear) and do the wrong things (that you do not like them doing).
To any that think I have insulted them personally. I offer my apologies. I know that often times all of us are so convinced that we are right, that we take it as a personal attack to have our beliefs called silly. I know I often belittle doctrine but it is not my intention to belittle people. However it is the nature of these forums to attract strong willed people and when those types of people (when having opposite views) are placed in a naturally antagonistic venue the worst can come out.
My entire premis in all of the debates is not to argue doctrine or Scripture interpretation. No ne has established a set of rules we will all agree on to interpret scripture.
One person can feel quite comfortable taking a scripture out of context while another sees that as absolutely improper.
For this reason I ask simple questions like How does your interpretation help me to be like Christ. I believe that doctrine should have a function beyond mere intellectual knowledge. It should have experiencial consequinces.
For Example – A person can have all the head knowledge in the world about healing but until they have God's hand raise them out of the wheel chair they do not really get it.
For me personally it is a matter of wanting teaching that actually moves me forward to becoming like Christ. After all is that not what we are placed on this Earth to accomplish? I want teaching that will inspire me and not just bring up more questions. It is Satan that questions. I want teaching that will give me hope that I can actually become like Christ and not teaching that makes that seem less likely.
IMO We need a Christ that shows by example how a man should become like God in character and maturity. We need a Christ that shows by example what is possible for a man to become.
To this end do I reject teaching that makes Christ some sort of super human or simi-God. If he is that then I can never be sure what of his wonderful accomplishments I (as a normal human) can do.
I reject teachings that Give Christ any advantage either in knowledge or power over what is available to any other human.
If he is actually like us then I can become like Him.martian……….I also see it that way, how can i (TRULY) believe and trust an example that was not really like me. And to think GOD would Disguise a Being as a Man and say He was really one of Us , when in fact the was not one of us and pass him off as such. would be contrary to the Father Nature. I believe as You Jesus was (EXACTLY IN EVERY) ONe of us from Human stock with no advantage other then God the Father was with Him and we can also Have that same relationship as Jesus Has with the Father. Jesus wa sour example of true FAITH in the FATHER we also need to develop that (SAME) FAITH and When we do we will DO the Same things Jesus did. But remember Jesus did say “WHEN THE SON OF MAN COMES WILL HE FIND FAITH ON THE EARTH”?. That is a good question.
peace and love to you and yours martian………………………gene
Does anyone know what kind of church Irene attends. I am curious if she was sprinkled or immersed at baptism.
I think we all need to litenup some.
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God Himself does not propose to judge a man until he is dead. So why should you?
Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
Peace starts with a smile.
I don't know why some people change churches; what difference does it make which one you stay home from?
A lot of church members who are singing “Standing on the Promises” are just sitting on the premises.
We were called to be witnesses, not lawyers or judges.
Outside of traffic, there is nothing that holds this country back as much as committees.
Be ye fishers of men. You catch them – He'll clean them.
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Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
Don't wait for 6 strong men to carry you to church.
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If God is your Co-pilot – swap seats!
Prayer: Don't give God instructions – just report for duty!
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