Preexistence

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29)

Ed I do not care to rehash over and over again what we have discussed. Have a nice day. WJ

Hi WJ,

Isn't that what you do every day with everybody here at [heaven.net.nz]?

Ed J

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29)

Ed Your doctrine is from outer space IMO! Have a nice day. WJ

Hi WJ,

John 21:2-3 And I John saw the “HolyCity”=117, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven,
prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold,
the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people,
“and God himself”=117 shall be with them, and be their God.

                       “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29)

Ed You still ignore 1 John 1:1-3 and then seek to be coy about my questions. Have a nice day. WJ

Hi WJ,

Why do you say I ignore John 1:1-3?
What do you want to discuss concerning it?

Ed J

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29)

Ed You havn't convinced any one here that the Holy Spirit is the Father and the “Word” is the Holy Spirit. Have a nice day. WJ

Hi WJ,

Who have you convinced here of your beliefs?

Ed J

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,23:34)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2010,23:25) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,21:18) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2010,10:46) WJ you said you have the Holy spirit ,and yet you could not understand Jn 1;1 you say the Word (Jesus) is God,and Jesus said, Jn 12:49 For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who SEND ME commanded me what to say and how to say it. SO JESUS DID NOT SPEAK OUT OF HIS OWN ACCORD ,AND YOU SAY HE IS GOD ??YOU SURE??? Hi T Yes; The “HolySpirit” is “the Word”! God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj i never said that the WORD IS OR WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT, YOU QUOTE ME WRONG Hi Terraricca, Here is you Proof!        Why don't you believe what the Scripture clearly teaches? John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and “The Word” which ye hear is not mine, but The Father's which sent me.        Jesus DID NOT speak of himself or of his own words… John 12:49:5049: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

that is not prove,you go out of the scriptures and can not accepted.

THE WORD =CHRIST

CHRIST DOES NOT EQUAL THE HOLYSPIRIT,

YOU ARE IN ERROR, AND I DO NOT WANT TO BE PART OF THAT VIEW IT IS INSANE .
GOD LOVE IN MY HEART CAN NOT ACCEPT YOUR VIEWS.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,12:52)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29) Ed You havn't convinced any one here that the Holy Spirit is the Father and the “Word” is the Holy Spirit. Have a nice day. WJ Hi WJ, Who have you convinced here of your beliefs? Ed J

Thats not my point.

I do not know anyone here or in the world that believes like you!

Jesus and the Apostles do not!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,12:51)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29) Ed Your doctrine is from outer space IMO! Have a nice day. WJ Hi WJ, John 21:2-3 And I John saw the “HolyCity”=117, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, “and God himself”=117 shall be with them, and be their God.                        “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED

You are right, I should say your doctrine is from the “Dark Abyss” IMO.

WJ

[terraricca]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,03:25)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 25 2010,18:46) SO JESUS DID NOT SPEAK OUT OF HIS OWN ACCORD ,AND YOU SAY HE IS GOD ??YOU SURE??? JA Absolutly, I am sure since the day he saved me without any knowledge that God is a plural unity. The scriptures say Jesus is God. ARE YOU SURE HE IS NOT GOD? IF SO THEN WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURES THAT SAY JESUS IS NOT GOD! I have scriptures written by Hebrew Monotheist under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that Jesus is God! I believe those scriptures, how about you? WJ

wj

you quote me only partially,so here it is;;

WJ

you said you have the Holy spirit ,and yet you could not understand Jn 1;1

you say the Word (Jesus) is God,and Jesus said,
Jn 12:49 For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who SEND ME commanded me what to say and how to say it.

SO JESUS DID NOT SPEAK OUT OF HIS OWN ACCORD ,AND YOU SAY HE IS GOD ??YOU SURE???

—————————————————–

you have answer me that you have fallow men as a guide rather than God,
if you break the scriptures in your believe it is understood that you do not have the Holy spirit ,because the Holy spirit can not be declared a liar but men is.

so if you believe in the trinity and God says he is one and only and alone God;Dt 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Dt 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength

this words will be yours to face.

we stand before God throne in truth or not.this is your choice.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,12:50)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29) Ed I do not care to rehash over and over again what we have discussed. Have a nice day. WJ Hi WJ, Isn't that what you do every day with everybody here at [heaven.net.nz]? Ed J

ED

No. If I am aware that we are going over the same things with certain ones than I choose not to because it is a waste of time.

But, I suppose there is a difference in that your doctrine is so far removed from the truth that you can't even agree on the very basics.

For example Holy Spirit = Father, Father = Word, Word = Holy Spirit.

If you can't even have the basic language down then it is like speaking to a non english speaking hispanic in english!

All you end up with is 2 peaple chattering at one another and not making any sense.

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,05:13)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,12:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29) Ed I do not care to rehash over and over again what we have discussed. Have a nice day. WJ Hi WJ, Isn't that what you do every day with everybody here at [heaven.net.nz]? Ed J ED No. If I am aware that we are going over the same things with certain ones than I choose not to because it is a waste of time. But, I suppose there is a difference in that your doctrine is so far removed from the truth that you can't even agree on the very basics. For example Holy Spirit = Father, Father = Word, Word = Holy Spirit. If you can't even have the basic language down then it is like speaking to a non english speaking hispanic in english! All you end up with is 2 peaple chattering at one another and not making any sense. WJ

Hi WJ,

“One God:The Father”=151 … “Father:The Word”=151 … “HolySpirit”=151

I know you understand what I tell you, you just choose not to believe.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,05:05)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,12:51) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29) Ed Your doctrine is from outer space IMO! Have a nice day. WJ Hi WJ, John 21:2-3 And I John saw the “HolyCity”=117, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, “and God himself”=117 shall be with them, and be their God.                        “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ED You are right, I should say your doctrine is from the “Dark Abyss” IMO. WJ

Hi WJ,

John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not
speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

John 15:18-21 If the world hate you(Ed J), ye know that it hated me(יהשוע) before it hated you.
If ye(Ed J) were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world,
but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember “The Word”(John 14:24)
that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me(יהשוע),
they will also persecute you(Ed J); if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. But all
these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

Matt.9:16-17 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in
to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. Neither do men put new wine
into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish:
but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,13:29)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,05:13) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,12:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29) Ed I do not care to rehash over and over again what we have discussed. Have a nice day. WJ Hi WJ, Isn't that what you do every day with everybody here at [heaven.net.nz]? Ed J ED No. If I am aware that we are going over the same things with certain ones than I choose not to because it is a waste of time. But, I suppose there is a difference in that your doctrine is so far removed from the truth that you can't even agree on the very basics. For example Holy Spirit = Father, Father = Word, Word = Holy Spirit. If you can't even have the basic language down then it is like speaking to a non english speaking hispanic in english! All you end up with is 2 peaple chattering at one another and not making any sense. WJ Hi WJ, “One God:The Father”=151 … “Father:The Word”=151 … “HolySpirit”=151 I know you understand what I tell you, you just choose not to believe. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ED

Sure I understand that you distort scriptures, and that is why I do not believe you!

BTW. your Gemetria example is made up crap because you choose to not use “The” with the Holy Spirit. See how you manipulate the numbers to make them support your unfounded claims?

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,05:42)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,13:29) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,05:13) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,12:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29) Ed I do not care to rehash over and over again what we have discussed. Have a nice day. WJ Hi WJ, Isn't that what you do every day with everybody here at [heaven.net.nz]? Ed J ED No. If I am aware that we are going over the same things with certain ones than I choose not to because it is a waste of time. But, I suppose there is a difference in that your doctrine is so far removed from the truth that you can't even agree on the very basics. For example Holy Spirit = Father, Father = Word, Word = Holy Spirit. If you can't even have the basic language down then it is like speaking to a non english speaking hispanic in english! All you end up with is 2 peaple chattering at one another and not making any sense. WJ Hi WJ, “One God:The Father”=151 … “Father:The Word”=151 … “HolySpirit”=151 I know you understand what I tell you, you just choose not to believe. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ED Sure I understand that you distort scriptures, and that is why I do not believe you! WJ

Hi WJ,

1Cor:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are
foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,13:47)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,05:42) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,13:29) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,05:13) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 26 2010,12:50) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29) Ed I do not care to rehash over and over again what we have discussed. Have a nice day. WJ Hi WJ, Isn't that what you do every day with everybody here at [heaven.net.nz]? Ed J ED No. If I am aware that we are going over the same things with certain ones than I choose not to because it is a waste of time. But, I suppose there is a difference in that your doctrine is so far removed from the truth that you can't even agree on the very basics. For example Holy Spirit = Father, Father = Word, Word = Holy Spirit. If you can't even have the basic language down then it is like speaking to a non english speaking hispanic in english! All you end up with is 2 peaple chattering at one another and not making any sense. WJ Hi WJ, “One God:The Father”=151 … “Father:The Word”=151 … “HolySpirit”=151 I know you understand what I tell you, you just choose not to believe. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org ED Sure I understand that you distort scriptures, and that is why I do not believe you! WJ Hi WJ, 1Cor:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Childish.  

See my addition of Gemetria above.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2010,04:52)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29) Ed You havn't convinced any one here that the Holy Spirit is the Father and the “Word” is the Holy Spirit. Have a nice day. WJ Hi WJ, Who have you convinced here of your beliefs? Ed J

Ed J,

One person became convinced (peace2all) and continued to praise Jesus in his posts but eventually stopped posting. He probably wanted to spend his time getting to know His Lord.

Now, who have you convinced with your silly baby drivel  numbers?

thinker

[JustAskin]

WJ,

[QUOTEWhen in fact they are one and the Father doesn't speak with out the Son, and the Son doesn't speak without the Father and the Holy Spirit takes from Jesus and speaks what the Father and the Son speaks[/QUOTE]

Some one speaking the Truth does not need to be devious because the Truth speaks for itself.

A Yes or No answer was not required: The answer was in the question: “Jesus speaks the Word of God, the words that he heard from his Father”
To say Yes or No:
“Yes” because it came out of his mouth
but
“No” are not HIS words, Jesus clearly states that they are the words that his Father gave him to speak.

It is not me you have a problem with here, but your own ability to read and understand what you have read.

You do understand, though, enough to know that you needed to skew (and screw) the scriptures to try and get yourself out of the hole you dug for yourself (or you made when you crashed in your posts earlier today)

The quote above is also not true – God is perfectly capable of speaking on his own, it is not a case that he can't or doesn't but that he gave a commission to Jesus, why should he interfere if Jesus is perfectly executing that commission.

The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit and God gives it to Jesus. God also gave Jesus 'all things' so that all that the father has is his and all that is his, is the fathers also. Therefore, the Holy Spirit under the authority of Christ and [speaks the Words/ does the earthly works] of Christ in the absence of Christ on earth, which are the words of the father.

Did you answer my other questions?

[Ed J]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,06:05)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2010,04:52) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29) Ed You havn't convinced any one here that the Holy Spirit is the Father and the “Word” is the Holy Spirit. Have a nice day. WJ Hi WJ, Who have you convinced here of your beliefs? Ed J Ed J, One person became convinced (peace2all) and continued to praise Jesus in his posts but eventually stopped posting. He probably wanted to spend his time getting to know His Lord. Now, who have you convinced with your silly baby drivel  numbers? thinker

Hi Thinker,

People need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151, to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (AKJV Ephesians 4:22-24)
As long as you are willing to engage me in conversation all is Good! (Joshua 22:34 / Hebrews 10:15)
“The God Numbers”=151 are only offered as a second witness. (John 5:36 / Mathew 18:16)

                       “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[JustAskin]

WJ,

did some say that your were (are) a pastor?

Are the things you post here the same things you teach in your church?

Are you just having a laugh here? I have said this of you before.

Why do I get a vision of you laughing your head off when you are posting and saying:
“Let me post the most blithering blother I can blather together and watch them buuble around trying to resolve it – tee hee – I do love a good laugh – being trinitarian has it's merits. I can post what I like and everyone will just assume it's just because I'm a TRINITARIAN”

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:49)

Quote (JustAskin @ Mar. 27 2010,06:38) WJ, When in fact they are one and the Father doesn't speak with out the Son, and the Son doesn't speak without the Father and the Holy Spirit takes from Jesus and speaks what the Father and the Son speaks Some one speaking the Truth does not need to be devious because the Truth speaks for itself. A Yes or No answer was not required: The answer was in the question: “Jesus speaks the Word of God, the words that he heard from his Father” To say Yes or No:      “Yes” because it came out of his mouth but      “No” are not HIS words, Jesus clearly states that they are the words that his Father gave him to speak. It is not me you have a problem with here, but your own ability to read and understand what you have read. You do understand, though, enough to know that you needed to skew (and screw) the scriptures to try and get yourself out of the hole you dug for yourself (or you made when you crashed in your posts earlier today) The quote above is also not true – God is perfectly capable of speaking on his own, it is not a case that he can't or doesn't but that he gave a commission to Jesus, why should he interfere if Jesus is perfectly executing that commission. The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit and God gives it to Jesus. God also gave Jesus 'all things' so that all that the father has is his and all that is his, is the fathers also. Therefore, the Holy Spirit under the authority of Christ and [speaks the Words/ does the earthly works] of Christ in the absence of Christ on earth, which are the words of the father. Did you answer my other questions?

Hi JustAskin,

Excellent Post my friend; “Truth” is Truth regardless of who says it!
All “we”(JustAskin) can do is plant the seed of “The Word”(Luke 8:11), it's God's(HolySpirit) job to make it grow.

                “The Seed” is “The Word” that brings forth “Fruit”(Children).

Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The Seed is The Word of God.
Rom.9:8 …children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but
                THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE ARE counted for The Seed.
Luke 8:15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart,
               having heard The Word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. (“Jesus“=74 / “Fruit“=74)
John 12:24 Verily, verily, I(יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă) say unto you, except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die,
                 it abides alone: but if [Jesus=74] dies, [He] will bring forth much [fruit=74]. (Isaiah 53:10)

                “HolySpirit” is “The Word” that multiplies “Fruit”(Children)
     
John 14:24 He that loveth me (Jesus) not keepeth not my (Jesus) sayings: and
                The Word which ye hear is not mine, but The Father's which sent me.
Acts 19:20 So mightily grew The Word of God and prevailed.
Acts 12:24 The Word of GOD grew and multiplied (Children).

                  What happened at “Pentecost”…

Acts 4:31  …THEY were all filled with the HolySpirit, and they spake The Word of God with boldness.
Acts 10:44 …yet spake these words, the HolySpirit fell on all THEM which heard The Word.
Rom. 10:17   So  then  FAITH  cometh   BY HEARING,   AND HEARING BY  “THE WORD” of GOD.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. Are you almost ready to launch the new thread?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2010,06:41)

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,06:05) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 27 2010,04:52) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,04:29) Ed You havn't convinced any one here that the Holy Spirit is the Father and the “Word” is the Holy Spirit. Have a nice day. WJ Hi WJ, Who have you convinced here of your beliefs? Ed J Ed J, One person became convinced (peace2all) and continued to praise Jesus in his posts but eventually stopped posting. He probably wanted to spend his time getting to know His Lord. Now, who have you convinced with your silly baby drivel  numbers? thinker Hi Thinker, People need: “BIBLE PERCEPTION“=151, to understand “BIBLE TRUTH“=117 ! (AKJV Ephesians 4:22-24) As long as you are willing to engage me in conversation all is Good! (Joshua 22:34 / Hebrews 10:15) “The God Numbers”=151 are only offered as a second witness. (John 5:36 / Mathew 18:16)                        “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

My question was who have you convinced here of your beliefs?

thinker

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