Preexistence

[seek and you will find]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 05 2008,06:07)

Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2008,05:49) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 04 2008,13:40) Kathi, Quote I do believe that the Holy Spirit is able to be present wherever He wants to be AND Quote I do not think that the Son is omnipresent although His spirit is put into the heart of all God's children. Question:  do you believe that the “Holy Spirit” and the spirit of the Son are two different spirits? Hi Mandy, Wow instant messaging, cool. Yes, I believe that they are two distinct spirits. Kathi So as believer's which spirit are we given?  The Holy Spirit or the spirit of Christ? Thanks

Both. We are Baptized in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Peace and Love Irene

[Not3in1]

So as Christians we have received TWO SPIRITS?

[NickHassan]

Quote (seek and you will find @ June 05 2008,06:11)

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 05 2008,06:07) Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2008,05:49) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 04 2008,13:40) Kathi, Quote I do believe that the Holy Spirit is able to be present wherever He wants to be AND Quote I do not think that the Son is omnipresent although His spirit is put into the heart of all God's children. Question:  do you believe that the “Holy Spirit” and the spirit of the Son are two different spirits? Hi Mandy, Wow instant messaging, cool. Yes, I believe that they are two distinct spirits. Kathi So as believer's which spirit are we given?  The Holy Spirit or the spirit of Christ? Thanks Both. We are Baptized in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Peace and Love Irene

Hi Mrs,
That is not the true baptism according to Eusebius.

[Not3in1]

Beget = produce offspring as a father.

Father = male parent, God, originator.

Offspring = one coming into being through reproduction.

So, begettal does not mean that he is derived directly and solely from God.

For we know that to produce offspring, you not only need the “male” parent, but you also need the “female” parent. Otherwise, it is not a “begettal” at all, it would be creation, and we both agree that Jesus wasn't created.

The “how” God beget Jesus before he was born would be a good thing to pin down. Words have meaning and I don't believe we should change their meanings.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Once again you want a human intellectual dictionary to rule scripture.

[Not3in1]

No. I want words to have meaning. I believe they do.
You want to change those meanings to suit your theology.

[Not3in1]

In other words, Nick, if we cannot decide that trees are green and green is a color in the rainbow – how are we going to discuss trees? Or the color green for that matter, with no reference?

[GeneBalthrop]

Mandy………You got it right

Adam……… keep praying and God will continue to guide you and keep you in reality of the truth, the gift He has given us is what makes the difference it prevents us from following these blind guides. They profess themselves to be wise but are blinder then bats. In my opinion. They are nothing but hinders of the truth and create giant log jams and the truth has to work it's way throw. But thanks be to God the Father who knows who he has chosen and gives them the truth.

Love and peace to you and yours……………gene

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Scripture is the wisdom of God.
The rest are weak and frail measures

[Not3in1]

Nick,
I appreciate that scripture is the wisdom of God. However, can you look to the bible for a definition of preexistenc? Of conception?

The bible is written in words.
Words have meaning.
You can use a dictionary to find out those meanings.

What is the problem with this?

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
No problem.
So long as the Word remains the definition of truth.
We do not attain to the wisdom of God and insecurity should not make us seek to do so.

[Not3in1]

Insecurity?
What has happend to proving all things?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,09:43)

Hi not3, No problem. So long as the Word remains the definition of truth. We do not attain to the wisdom of God and insecurity should not make us seek to do so.

NH

Amen! Keep praying for these lying Unitarians. They are blind in one eye and cant see out of the other.

God has chosen us to see that Yeshua is from heaven and not of this earth. To believe such lies that he did not preexist is to be antichrist.

Some day God will show them that what the believe is pure ignorance.

testing

[NickHassan]

Hi not 3,
Do servants need to know everything?

Ps 123
 1Unto thee lift I up mine eyes, O thou that dwellest in the heavens.

2Behold, as the eyes of servants look unto the hand of their masters, and as the eyes of a maiden unto the hand of her mistress; so our eyes wait upon the LORD our God, until that he have mercy upon us.

3Have mercy upon us, O LORD, have mercy upon us: for we are exceedingly filled with contempt.

4Our soul is exceedingly filled with the scorning of those that are at ease, and with the contempt of the proud.
123

[Lightenup]

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 04 2008,15:59)

Beget = produce offspring as a father. Father = male parent, God, originator. Offspring = one coming into being through reproduction. So, begettal does not mean that he is derived directly and solely from God. For we know that to produce offspring, you not only need the “male” parent, but you also need the “female” parent.  Otherwise, it is not a “begettal” at all, it would be creation, and we both agree that Jesus wasn't created. The “how” God beget Jesus before he was born would be a good thing to pin down.  Words have meaning and I don't believe we should change their meanings.

Hi Mandy,
Are you not aware that asexual reproduction only takes one parent? Do you think that would be impossible for God to asexually reproduce? If an offspring is produced from one parent asexually then he was born/begotten from one parent.

Take care,
LU

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Sure.
Only flesh needs fleshly means and understandings.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2008,10:59)

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 04 2008,15:59) Beget = produce offspring as a father. Father = male parent, God, originator. Offspring = one coming into being through reproduction. So, begettal does not mean that he is derived directly and solely from God. For we know that to produce offspring, you not only need the “male” parent, but you also need the “female” parent.  Otherwise, it is not a “begettal” at all, it would be creation, and we both agree that Jesus wasn't created. The “how” God beget Jesus before he was born would be a good thing to pin down.  Words have meaning and I don't believe we should change their meanings. Hi Mandy, Are you not aware that asexual reproduction only takes one parent?  Do you think that would be impossible for God to asexually reproduce?  If an offspring is produced from one parent asexually then he was born/begotten from one parent. Take care, LU

Hi Kathi,

Humans do not asexually reproduce.

Look at the definition for offspring.

Remember that Jesus was born human. He had a human mother and a divine father. What would this produce?

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,11:04)

Hi LU, Sure. Only flesh needs fleshly means and understandings.

You crack me up, Nick.

All humans need understanding. If we do not have understanding we would all be idiots.

The Spirit can give insight and guide, true, but God depends on our ability to “reason together” with him. He didn't create no dummies – no sir!

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,10:02)

Hi not 3, Do servants need to know everything? Ps 123  1Unto thee lift I up mine eyes, O thou that dwellest in the heavens. 2Behold, as the eyes of servants look unto the hand of their masters, and as the eyes of a maiden unto the hand of her mistress; so our eyes wait upon the LORD our God, until that he have mercy upon us. 3Have mercy upon us, O LORD, have mercy upon us: for we are exceedingly filled with contempt. 4Our soul is exceedingly filled with the scorning of those that are at ease, and with the contempt of the proud. 123

Nick,
Do I threaten you? Why is it you are so persistent on descouraging my wanting to know….

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 05 2008,09:56)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,09:43) Hi not3, No problem. So long as the Word remains the definition of truth. We do not attain to the wisdom of God and insecurity should not make us seek to do so. NH Amen! Keep praying for these lying Unitarians. They are blind in one eye and cant see out of the other. God has chosen us to see that Yeshua is from heaven and not of this earth. To believe such lies that he did not preexist is to be antichrist. Some day God will show them that what the believe is pure ignorance. testing

What are you “testing”?

How to be a jerk?

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