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Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,17:46) I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
No….you MUST agree with me.
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,17:35) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2007,16:15) How do they explain this?
I know you don't care – but WJ, your animated “knock out” and others that you plan to use……..well…….they do not encourag unity.Take notes from your brother Isaiah on trying to keep the unity.
not3No offence. But I dont see how adding a little animation and fun to the post is devisive!
I have been around the world and back with you not3 on the same questions and answers.
We are not unified and I doubt that we will be untill Jesus returns.
My demo was to encourage Is 1:18 for his excellent posting of the truth. So it is a knock out punch in my opinion!
I apologize for offending you, and I will not use animation in the future in response to you!
Blessings!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2007,17:54) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,17:35) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2007,16:15) How do they explain this?
I know you don't care – but WJ, your animated “knock out” and others that you plan to use……..well…….they do not encourag unity.Take notes from your brother Isaiah on trying to keep the unity.
not3No offence. But I dont see how adding a little animation and fun to the post is devisive!
I have been around the world and back with you not3 on the same questions and answers.
We are not unified and I doubt that we will be untill Jesus returns.
My demo was to encourage Is 1:18 for his excellent posting of the truth. So it is a knock out punch in my opinion!
I apologize for offending you, and I will not use animation in the future in response to you!
Blessings!
You're not offending me, WJ, it's just sad to me.You and I have not been around and around……in fact, I have learned more from your brothers by far! I do believe you have a genuine love for God and might even have a bit of patience, but I see you arguing to be right far more than I see you teaching here.
I'm sure you will take this opportunity to point your finger at me, which is your way. That's fine. I'm just saying that a few of us have been sincerely trying to see the other's point of view – and the little animation things don't help us bridge the gap.
Keep them for all I care, I was just giving my opinion (and you know what that is worth).
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,17:29) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2007,16:01) Not3 can you name a being that had the power or could claim to raise himself from the dead?
Is this like that old game show, “Name that tune?”
Like I said, WJ, Jesus was “enabled” by his Father to do all that he did. Jesus had no problem letting us know that God was greater than himself and that God was the reason he was able to do what he did.
Jesus not only didn't have the *power* to do what he did, he said he wasn't even GOOD. Jesus said that of himself he could do NOTHING! I believe Jesus.
Not3You say…
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Jesus not only didn't have the *power* to do what he did, he said he wasn't even GOODSo you think Jesus meant he wasnt “Good”?
What did he mean here…
Jn 10:11
I am the *good* shepherd: the *good* shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,17:53) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,17:46) I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
No….you MUST agree with me.
OK, OK – where do I sign?
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,17:31) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,16:51) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,15:43) Only this – there is One God – the Father – and one Lord – Jesus Christ.
So the Father is, in no sense, our Lord?
My turn…….now you're being silly, Isaiah!
Well, there was serious point in it. If you interpret 1 Cor 8:6 as a exclusivist statement of ontology, then it works both ways….Jesus is in no sense our God but equally the Father is in no sense our Lord….it's quicksand…..Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2007,17:59) So you think Jesus meant he wasnt “Good”? What did he mean here…
Jn 10:11
I am the *good* shepherd: the *good* shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Hey, those were Jesus' words – not mine!Jesus said no one was good but God!
Of course, I think Jesus was good. I'm not positive what that verse meant, to be honest?
But I do believe that Jesus was trying to tell us there is a difference between him and God.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,18:03) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,17:31) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,16:51) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,15:43) Only this – there is One God – the Father – and one Lord – Jesus Christ.
So the Father is, in no sense, our Lord?
My turn…….now you're being silly, Isaiah!
Well, there was serious point in it. If you interpret 1 Cor 8:6 as a exclusivist statement of ontology, then it works both ways….Jesus is in no sense our God but equally the Father is in no sense our Lord….it's quicksand…..
There is a difference between LORD and Lord – right?Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,18:04) Not3, where in scripture did Jesus say he was not good?
I just posted this with WJ.Jesus said (paraphrased), “Why call me good? There is none good but God.”
What did he mean?
Why did he say that at all?Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,18:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2007,17:59) So you think Jesus meant he wasnt “Good”? What did he mean here…
Jn 10:11
I am the *good* shepherd: the *good* shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Hey, those were Jesus' words – not mine!Jesus said no one was good but God!
Of course, I think Jesus was good. I'm not positive what that verse meant, to be honest?
But I do believe that Jesus was trying to tell us there is a difference between him and God.
It was Matthew 19, Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19….Jesus was speaking of absolute goodness right? My next question is this -does the NT portrait Jesus as being absolutely good or relatively good?
Ponder that one Not3….
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,18:10) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,18:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 28 2007,17:59) So you think Jesus meant he wasnt “Good”? What did he mean here…
Jn 10:11
I am the *good* shepherd: the *good* shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Hey, those were Jesus' words – not mine!Jesus said no one was good but God!
Of course, I think Jesus was good. I'm not positive what that verse meant, to be honest?
But I do believe that Jesus was trying to tell us there is a difference between him and God.
It was Matthew 19, Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19….Jesus was speaking of absolute goodness right? My next question is this -does the NT portrait Jesus as being absolutely good or relatively good?
Ponder that one Not3….
So do you mean he was speaking of his flesh only…..is that where you are going with this? I don't know….Um, I would say that Jesus was good all the time (hello, the man never sinned)
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,18:10) It was Matthew 19, Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19….
You looked in a concordance, huh?Tell me you have these memorized? Memorizing scripture seems to be the hardest thing for me. I recognize where scriptures are because of where they are located on the pages in my bible. I've had the same bible since I was 15, so that helps.
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,18:07) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,18:04) Not3, where in scripture did Jesus say he was not good?
I just posted this with WJ.Jesus said (paraphrased), “Why call me good? There is none good but God.”
What did he mean?
Why did he say that at all?
Here is what I think. Jesus was saying is essence –Oh, you think I'm good do you?, that's curious, since only God is good….do you understand exactly what it is that you are implying here?
It's important to note that he did not say “I'm not good, only God is that, don't call me good again!” But people always seem to read it that way. I think He is implying the exact opposite. He was questioning whether the man understood the gravity of the inference and whether he knew exactly Who it was with whom he was speaking. After all Jesus is “good” by any standard. He is the spotless Lamb. That's absolute goodness Not3.
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,18:16) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,18:10) It was Matthew 19, Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19….
You looked in a concordance, huh?Tell me you have these memorized? Memorizing scripture seems to be the hardest thing for me. I recognize where scriptures are because of where they are located on the pages in my bible. I've had the same bible since I was 15, so that helps.
He he…I find the fastest way to locate scriptures is google and BibleGateway…Giving away trade secrets here…
The point is – Jesus was not denying that he was “good” in Mark 10:18 (He would have been lying), and therefore He was not denying he was God either. In fact logic tells us that it was another tacit affirmation that He was/is God….
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,18:01) Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,17:53) Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,17:46) I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
No….you MUST agree with me.
OK, OK – where do I sign?
Just sign a blank check and send it to me….that will be fine….Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,18:19) Here is what I think. Jesus was saying is essence – Oh, you think I'm good do you?, that's curious, since only God is good….do you understand exactly what it is that you are implying here?
Hmmmmm……. I'm not sure.Jesus was always pointing to the Father (as God).
He always made sure that every one knew the Father was the one to thank, ask, praise and so on. He told people that he didn't know things (the time of his return), and that it wasn't his place to grant things (where one will sit – on the left or right of him).I think instead of implying that he was God (which would be strange considering how well he explained that he was not the one who had all the answers or the power to grant this or that), he was trying to show, once again, that there was a difference between himself and the Father (God).
Jesus was a man. God is not a man. There is more than just a difference of who is good and who is not.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 28 2007,18:25) and therefore He was not denying he was God either
I personally think that Jesus is disappointed to see that he spent his whole ministry pointing us to his Father, and to his God – only to see that we have made HIM the object of our praise and worship; indeed we have made HIM God.HE is the Son of God.
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 28 2007,18:33) Jesus was always pointing to the Father (as God).
He always made sure that every one knew the Father was the one to thank, ask, praise and so on. He told people that he didn't know things (the time of his return), and that it wasn't his place to grant things (where one will sit – on the left or right of him).
It's equally true the the father wanted the Son to be praised, honoured, glorified. Funny how those verses always get down played…Also, have you noticed that Yeshua also put Himself at the centre of His own ministry – Come to me, follow me, abide in me, believe in me, serve me, confess me, love me, seek me, keep my commandments…Quote I think instead of implying that he was God (which would be strange considering how well he explained that he was not the one who had all the answers or the power to grant this or that), he was trying to show, once again, that there was a difference between himself and the Father (God).
Okay, you tell me from the text the difference Jesus intended to highlight….Quote Jesus was a man. God is not a man. There is more than just a difference of who is good and who is not.
The issue in the text is “goodness”. You can't escape that. Was Yeshua good? Yes. Was Yeshua absolutely good? Yes.
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