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Please only post videos and verses that teach a Pre-Trib Rapture here. There is another thread for videos and verses that are said to not teach a Pre-Trib Rapture.
This way we can put the best reasoning and arguments for either case and see which one matches scripture.
I haven't seen this one yet, but on the outset it looks like he may make a good case for his view. It is too late here. Good night.
i looked at the video ,the first things he said up to about 12 minutes ;I agree to it ,but then he goes to Israel and Daniel ;now in my understanding he got lost ;I can see it. (uses grammar,self interpretation of what scriptures means or should mean or more that it is so ,)but this is MY UNDERSTANDING
I always come back to one single question ,and no one seems to be able to give me a true answer
WHY WOULD ISRAEL ;A DIVORCED NATION (REJECTED NATION AS A REPRESENTATION FOR GOD HOLY NAME ) “BE '' A MAIN PIVOT IN THE PROPHECIES OF GOD ALMIGHTY
ISRAEL = A NATION WITHOUT A KING , WITHOUT LAW, WITHOUT GOD , WITHOUT CHRIST THE ONLY KING OF THE SPIRITUAL “HEAVENLY ISRAEL””
SO UNTIL SOME ONE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION (S) WHAT EVER THEY MAY SAY IS ONLY PROPAGANDA FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSE
Terra.
The natural olive branches will be grafted back on by mercy.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? **God forbid**. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11:2 **God hath not cast away his people** which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Romans 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? **I have reserved to myself seven thousand men**, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Romans 11:5 Even so then *at this present time* also there is a remnant according to *the election of grace*.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; *but the election hath obtained it*, and *the rest were blinded*
Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them *the spirit of slumber*, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Romans 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Romans 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? *God forbid*: *8but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles**, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; *how much more their fulness*?
Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Romans 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Romans 11:15 *For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world*, what shall the receiving of them be, *but life from the dead*?
Romans 11:16 *For if the firstfruit be holy*, *the lump is also holy*: and if the root be holy, *so are the branches*.
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Romans 11:18 *Boast not against the branches*. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Romans 11:20 Well; **because of unbelief they were broken off**, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Romans 11:21 For if God *spared not the natural branches*, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: **for God is able to graff them in again**.
Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is *wild by nature*, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: **how much more shall these, which be the natural branches**, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of *this mystery*, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, *until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in*.
Romans 11:26 **And so all Israel shall be saved**: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when *I shall take away their sins*.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, *they are enemies for your sakes*: but as touching the election, they are *beloved for the fathers' sakes*.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy *through their unbelief*:
Romans 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through *your mercy they also may obtain mercy*.
Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have *mercy upon all*.
Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the *wisdom and knowledge of God*! how *unsearchable* are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Romans 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Romans 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Romans 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 10 2013,07:42) Terra. The natural olive branches will be grafted back on by mercy.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? **God forbid**. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11:2 **God hath not cast away his people** which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Romans 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? **I have reserved to myself seven thousand men**, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Romans 11:5 Even so then *at this present time* also there is a remnant according to *the election of grace*.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; *but the election hath obtained it*, and *the rest were blinded*
Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them *the spirit of slumber*, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Romans 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Romans 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? *God forbid*: *8but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles**, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; *how much more their fulness*?
Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Romans 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Romans 11:15 *For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world*, what shall the receiving of them be, *but life from the dead*?
Romans 11:16 *For if the firstfruit be holy*, *the lump is also holy*: and if the root be holy, *so are the branches*.
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Romans 11:18 *Boast not against the branches*. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Romans 11:20 Well; **because of unbelief they were broken off**, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Romans 11:21 For if God *spared not the natural branches*, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: **for God is able to graff them in again**.
Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is *wild by nature*, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: **how much more shall these, which be the natural branches**, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of *this mystery*, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, *until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in*.
Romans 11:26 **And so all Israel shall be saved**: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when *I shall take away their sins*.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, *they are enemies for your sakes*: but as touching the election, they are *beloved for the fathers' sakes*.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy *through their unbelief*:
Romans 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through *your mercy they also may obtain mercy*.
Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have *mercy upon all*.
Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the *wisdom and knowledge of God*! how *unsearchable* are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Romans 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Romans 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Romans 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
wakeup.
WAKEUPcould you read ,the entire book of Roman and Hebrew,
then you read back the gospels ,and the words what Christ says about the people of Israel ,
wen that is done you tell me if GOD AS CHOSEN AN OTHER WAY TO SAVE ISRAEL ON THEIR OWN ,IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN THE ONE OF THE GENTILES ,
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ,NOTHING OF OPINIONS
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 10 2013,12:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 10 2013,07:42) Terra. The natural olive branches will be grafted back on by mercy.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? **God forbid**. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11:2 **God hath not cast away his people** which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Romans 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? **I have reserved to myself seven thousand men**, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Romans 11:5 Even so then *at this present time* also there is a remnant according to *the election of grace*.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; *but the election hath obtained it*, and *the rest were blinded*
Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them *the spirit of slumber*, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Romans 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Romans 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? *God forbid*: *8but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles**, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; *how much more their fulness*?
Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Romans 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Romans 11:15 *For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world*, what shall the receiving of them be, *but life from the dead*?
Romans 11:16 *For if the firstfruit be holy*, *the lump is also holy*: and if the root be holy, *so are the branches*.
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Romans 11:18 *Boast not against the branches*. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Romans 11:20 Well; **because of unbelief they were broken off**, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Romans 11:21 For if God *spared not the natural branches*, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: **for God is able to graff them in again**.
Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is *wild by nature*, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: **how much more shall these, which be the natural branches**, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of *this mystery*, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, *until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in*.
Romans 11:26 **And so all Israel shall be saved**: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when *I shall take away their sins*.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, *they are enemies for your sakes*: but as touching the election, they are *beloved for the fathers' sakes*.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy *through their unbelief*:
Romans 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through *your mercy they also may obtain mercy*.
Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have *mercy upon all*.
Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the *wisdom and knowledge of God*! how *unsearchable* are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Romans 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Romans 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Romans 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
wakeup.
WAKEUPcould you read ,the entire book of Roman and Hebrew,
then you read back the gospels ,and the words what Christ says about the people of Israel ,
wen that is done you tell me if GOD AS CHOSEN AN OTHER WAY TO SAVE ISRAEL ON THEIR OWN ,IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN THE ONE OF THE GENTILES ,
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ,NOTHING OF OPINIONS
Terra.There is a reason why I have posted the whole
chapter. If I dont,I would be accused of *self opinion*.
If I do, then it is too much reading,its not really necessary.
I am damed if I do, and damed if I dont.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 10 2013,09:10) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 10 2013,12:57) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 10 2013,07:42) Terra. The natural olive branches will be grafted back on by mercy.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? **God forbid**. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Romans 11:2 **God hath not cast away his people** which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Romans 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? **I have reserved to myself seven thousand men**, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Romans 11:5 Even so then *at this present time* also there is a remnant according to *the election of grace*.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; *but the election hath obtained it*, and *the rest were blinded*
Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them *the spirit of slumber*, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Romans 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Romans 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? *God forbid*: *8but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles**, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; *how much more their fulness*?
Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Romans 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Romans 11:15 *For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world*, what shall the receiving of them be, *but life from the dead*?
Romans 11:16 *For if the firstfruit be holy*, *the lump is also holy*: and if the root be holy, *so are the branches*.
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Romans 11:18 *Boast not against the branches*. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Romans 11:20 Well; **because of unbelief they were broken off**, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Romans 11:21 For if God *spared not the natural branches*, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: **for God is able to graff them in again**.
Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is *wild by nature*, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: **how much more shall these, which be the natural branches**, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of *this mystery*, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, *until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in*.
Romans 11:26 **And so all Israel shall be saved**: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when *I shall take away their sins*.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, *they are enemies for your sakes*: but as touching the election, they are *beloved for the fathers' sakes*.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy *through their unbelief*:
Romans 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through *your mercy they also may obtain mercy*.
Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have *mercy upon all*.
Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the *wisdom and knowledge of God*! how *unsearchable* are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Romans 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Romans 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Romans 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
wakeup.
WAKEUPcould you read ,the entire book of Roman and Hebrew,
then you read back the gospels ,and the words what Christ says about the people of Israel ,
wen that is done you tell me if GOD AS CHOSEN AN OTHER WAY TO SAVE ISRAEL ON THEIR OWN ,IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN THE ONE OF THE GENTILES ,
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ,NOTHING OF OPINIONS
Terra.There is a reason why I have posted the whole
chapter. If I dont,I would be accused of *self opinion*.
If I do, then it is too much reading,its not really necessary.
I am damed if I do, and damed if I dont.wakeup.
wakeupok,but what is my answer
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 10 2013,12:16) Terra. What is really your answer?
wakeup.
WakeupAnswer,that the theatrical Israel,of today ,is the greates diversion to take people attention away from the truth of God,and so fall into the ones that are mark by the beast,of this world ,
And pay the prize .
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 09 2013,20:55) I always come back to one single question ,and no one seems to be able to give me a true answer WHY WOULD ISRAEL ;A DIVORCED NATION (REJECTED NATION AS A REPRESENTATION FOR GOD HOLY NAME ) “BE '' A MAIN PIVOT IN THE PROPHECIES OF GOD ALMIGHTY
ISRAEL = A NATION WITHOUT A KING , WITHOUT LAW, WITHOUT GOD , WITHOUT CHRIST THE ONLY KING OF THE SPIRITUAL “HEAVENLY ISRAEL””
SO UNTIL SOME ONE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION (S) WHAT EVER THEY MAY SAY IS ONLY PROPAGANDA FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSE
Pierre,
I believe in Dispensations – A divine ordering of worldly affairs into ages, periods of time defined by how God interacts with man. Not everything commanded by God to people in one age necessarily applies to people in another age.So to answer your question there is only one path to God, through Jesus, but there have been various methods to achieve this salvation. ALL salvation, (starting with Adam), in any age is through what Jesus accomplished on the cross, and is found by all, who by faith, choose a life defined by love and unselfishness; whether through; a realization of their failure to keep the law, instead trusting in God's provision of an animal sacrifice (the age of law), the conscious proclamation of what God did through His Son (our age of grace), or whatever God requires from the future people during the 7 years after the rapture (and the return of God's dealing with the Jews in Daniels 70th week).
God keeps His promises even if we are unfaithful. I don't know for sure how, but the natural olive branches will be grafted back in (and I believe calling on the name of Yeshua).
My opinion – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Sep. 10 2013,14:04) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 09 2013,20:55) I always come back to one single question ,and no one seems to be able to give me a true answer WHY WOULD ISRAEL ;A DIVORCED NATION (REJECTED NATION AS A REPRESENTATION FOR GOD HOLY NAME ) “BE '' A MAIN PIVOT IN THE PROPHECIES OF GOD ALMIGHTY
ISRAEL = A NATION WITHOUT A KING , WITHOUT LAW, WITHOUT GOD , WITHOUT CHRIST THE ONLY KING OF THE SPIRITUAL “HEAVENLY ISRAEL””
SO UNTIL SOME ONE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION (S) WHAT EVER THEY MAY SAY IS ONLY PROPAGANDA FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSE
Pierre,
I believe in Dispensations – A divine ordering of worldly affairs into ages, periods of time defined by how God interacts with man. Not everything commanded by God to people in one age necessarily applies to people in another age.So to answer your question there is only one path to God, through Jesus, but there have been various methods to achieve this salvation. ALL salvation, (starting with Adam), in any age is through what Jesus accomplished on the cross, and is found by all, who by faith, choose a life defined by love and unselfishness; whether through; a realization of their failure to keep the law, instead trusting in God's provision of an animal sacrifice (the age of law), the conscious proclamation of what God did through His Son (our age of grace), or whatever God requires from the future people during the 7 years after the rapture (and the return of God's dealing with the Jews in Daniels 70th week).
God keeps His promises even if we are unfaithful. I don't know for sure how, but the natural olive branches will be grafted back in (and I believe calling on the name of Yeshua).
My opinion – Wm
HI SKTI see what you getting at,and yeah this is troubling or not cut clear right or so we think ,
but should we stop here or see the real picture ,with the real purpose of God will ,not ours ,
what is the real purpose of GOD will
do you know
if yes ;what is itwhat is and as been the real message from GOD SINS ADAM ALLEYWAY THROUGH THE LAST APOSTLE ;JOHN
Pierre,
I believe much of what the Father does is to help us to begin to understand His unfathomable character and why He is worthy of ALL praise.Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Sep. 10 2013,19:34) Pierre,
I believe much of what the Father does is to help us to begin to understand His unfathomable character and why He is worthy of ALL praise.Wm
sktvery good ,but you forgot that under no way we can ever reach there or ever be able to come in grip with his ;unfathomable character ,' so this would be not the right answer because it is the “impossible task”
if this we pursue we all are destined to destruction right
there is no doubts in my mind of GOD worthiness ;
'BUT TRY TO GIVE ME THE ANSWER “
what is and as been the real message from GOD SINS ADAM ALLEYWAY THROUGH THE LAST APOSTLE ;JOHN
Pierre,
Sorry I just want to be sure I've got the correct meaning of your question.what is and as been the real message from GOD SINS ADAM ALLEYWAY THROUGH THE LAST APOSTLE ;JOHN
What is and has been the real message of God, from Adam, through the Godly, until the last apostle John
Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Sep. 10 2013,22:12) Pierre,
Sorry I just want to be sure I've got the correct meaning of your question.what is and as been the real message from GOD SINS ADAM ALLEYWAY THROUGH THE LAST APOSTLE ;JOHN
What is and has been the real message of God, from Adam, through the Godly, until the last apostle John
Wm
sktWhat is and has been the real message of God, from Adam, through all men , until the last apostle John???
God's love is without compromise or comparison. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Sep. 10 2013,23:38) God's love is without compromise or comparison. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Wm
sktdid this was in Adam time as well or later
do not get me wrong what you say is true ,
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