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Quote (Stu @ July 03 2008,14:10) Quote (lineon @ July 03 2008,00:06) Quote (Stu @ July 02 2008,11:50) Quote (lineon @ July 01 2008,23:02) You did not read this rant
Otherwise you would know.Lineon
Why would I have asked if I had not read it?Stuart
Then you must know the answer.
Lineon
No.Stuart
You are crossing your fingers behind your back again.Lineon
Quote (lineon @ July 04 2008,06:49) Quote (Stu @ July 03 2008,14:10) Quote (lineon @ July 03 2008,00:06) Quote (Stu @ July 02 2008,11:50) Quote (lineon @ July 01 2008,23:02) You did not read this rant
Otherwise you would know.Lineon
Why would I have asked if I had not read it?Stuart
Then you must know the answer. Lineon
No.Stuart
You are crossing your fingers behind your back again.Lineon
What part of my question do you fear?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 03 2008,21:20) Quote (lineon @ July 04 2008,06:49) Quote (Stu @ July 03 2008,14:10) Quote (lineon @ July 03 2008,00:06) Quote (Stu @ July 02 2008,11:50) Quote (lineon @ July 01 2008,23:02) You did not read this rant
Otherwise you would know.Lineon
Why would I have asked if I had not read it?Stuart
Then you must know the answer. Lineon
No.Stuart
You are crossing your fingers behind your back again.Lineon
What part of my question do you fear?Stuart
I do not understand your question?Silence comes like a Wave
The motion turns and rumbles through the brain,
Engulfing envy and discontent,
Engulfing petty feelings that bear confusion.
A Wave that torments darkness forcing it into flight,
His will is purity no devil can hold Him back.A movement rumbles through the body
Changing every day life into a brick,
A groove that leeds you into a circle.
This Wave changes all,
Taking all out and putting everything in,
He is Life with no disguise.Lineon
Lineon
understanding a poet, let/alone game enough to dwell with one?
good cheer.. LineonPhillip Larkin
Born in the early nineteen twenties and in the mid nineteen eighties he passed away
A poetic legend in his lifetime and his legend lives today
Phillip Larkin the hero of many a Literary Don
The poet is at peace but his verse living on.Phillip Larkin from Coventry few greater than he
Though some with that assumption may well not agree
Some say in some of his poems he used words that were rude
But then every poet is a creature of mood.For Nature Poet Larkin showed his empathy
For the hedgehog who died under his grass mower his words of sympathy
Will live on for centuries in honour of his name
One who loved Nature as he did well worthy of fame.A Natural Wordsmith and his type are rare
And few poets with Phillip Larkin can hope to compare
In his lifetime celebrated and very well known
And in his brand of verse in a class of his own.The fans of Larkin's poetry as fans do remain
And his verses they visit again and again
And though some of his poems some may find a bit rude
From the Literary Hall of Fame he's one they can't exclude.Francis Duggan
Therefore let your soul exalt your reason to the height of passion
That it may sing and let it direct your passion with reason
That your passion may live through its own daily resurrection
And like a phoenix rise above its own ashes.~Kahlil Gibran
Quote (lineon @ July 04 2008,16:21) I do not understand your question?
To whom was your rant addressed? How hard can that be to articulate literally? Why should someone put up such a bizarre post then fear fronting with an answer to that question?My rants are aimed at christians, especially those who think they take joy in a miserable philosophy of life. Who was your rant aimed at?
Stuart
Quote (lineon @ July 01 2008,04:56) You wear your unbelief on your forehead You dogs of war what can you blame?
What ever I say or do or write
You will argue,
Even my commas and dots won't satisfy you!Quote (lineon @ July 04 2008,23:36) Quote (lineon @ July 01 2008,04:56) You wear your unbelief on your forehead You dogs of war what can you blame?
What ever I say or do or write
You will argue,
Even my commas and dots won't satisfy you!
The christian doctrine of victimhood…Stuart
Hey Stuart tell me who do you think 'the dogs of war' are?
Please don't give me paragraph upon paragraph of your belief,
Just make it short and sweet.Lineon
Quote (Stu @ July 04 2008,23:04) Quote (lineon @ July 04 2008,16:21) I do not understand your question?
To whom was your rant addressed? How hard can that be to articulate literally? Why should someone put up such a bizarre post then fear fronting with an answer to that question?My rants are aimed at christians, especially those who think they take joy in a miserable philosophy of life. Who was your rant aimed at?
Stuart
Greetings Stu…..I find this to be a very interesting that,you have managed to reveal your arogant self….What qualifies you to be able to speak qualatatively about the joy or lack of it in christians or any body else for that reason…I have had the opportunity to examine your thoughts and philosphies over the months and I must say Iam not impressed,simply because your presentations are empty with absolutely no substance….Tell me about the Joy your philosophy offers…Quote (lineon @ July 05 2008,02:50) Hey Stuart tell me who do you think 'the dogs of war' are?
Please don't give me paragraph upon paragraph of your belief,
Just make it short and sweet.Lineon
John Hagee, George Bush and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad begin the list. All of them religious nutters who in some way think their fantasy revealed knowledge will be played out by one or more enormous fireballs across the Middle East.That is who the dogs of war are. Who did you think they were? Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens?
Stuart
Quote (theodorej @ July 05 2008,06:13) Quote (Stu @ July 04 2008,23:04) Quote (lineon @ July 04 2008,16:21) I do not understand your question?
To whom was your rant addressed? How hard can that be to articulate literally? Why should someone put up such a bizarre post then fear fronting with an answer to that question?My rants are aimed at christians, especially those who think they take joy in a miserable philosophy of life. Who was your rant aimed at?
Stuart
Greetings Stu…..I find this to be a very interesting that,you have managed to reveal your arogant self….What qualifies you to be able to speak qualatatively about the joy or lack of it in christians or any body else for that reason…I have had the opportunity to examine your thoughts and philosphies over the months and I must say Iam not impressed,simply because your presentations are empty with absolutely no substance….Tell me about the Joy your philosophy offers…
Why don't you look closer then. Find the threads where I have talked in this way and read them.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 04 2008,23:11) Quote (lineon @ July 05 2008,02:50) Hey Stuart tell me who do you think 'the dogs of war' are?
Please don't give me paragraph upon paragraph of your belief,
Just make it short and sweet.Lineon
John Hagee, George Bush and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad begin the list. All of them religious nutters who in some way think their fantasy revealed knowledge will be played out by one or more enormous fireballs across the Middle East.That is who the dogs of war are. Who did you think they were? Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens?
Stuart
No, I think your right
But I do believe they are part of your tribe
Is it not called the survival of the fittest.Lineon.
Quote (lineon @ July 05 2008,14:43) Quote (Stu @ July 04 2008,23:11) Quote (lineon @ July 05 2008,02:50) Hey Stuart tell me who do you think 'the dogs of war' are?
Please don't give me paragraph upon paragraph of your belief,
Just make it short and sweet.Lineon
John Hagee, George Bush and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad begin the list. All of them religious nutters who in some way think their fantasy revealed knowledge will be played out by one or more enormous fireballs across the Middle East.That is who the dogs of war are. Who did you think they were? Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens?
Stuart
No, I think your right
But I do believe they are part of your tribe
Is it not called the survival of the fittest.Lineon.
What?Stuart
Develop interest in life as you see it; in people, things, literature,
music–the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures,
beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself.~ Henry Miller
The empty mind – the pure mind – is not a blank, zero-land, where
you're not feeling or caring about anything. It's an effulgence of the
mind. It's a brightness that is truly sensitive and accepting. It's an ability
to accept life as it is. When we accept life as it is, we can respond
appropriately to the way we're experiencing it, rather than just reacting
out of fear and aversion.~Ajahn Sumedho
Quote (Stu @ July 05 2008,09:11) Quote (lineon @ July 05 2008,02:50) Hey Stuart tell me who do you think 'the dogs of war' are?
Please don't give me paragraph upon paragraph of your belief,
Just make it short and sweet.Lineon
John Hagee, George Bush and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad begin the list. All of them religious nutters who in some way think their fantasy revealed knowledge will be played out by one or more enormous fireballs across the Middle East.That is who the dogs of war are. Who did you think they were? Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens?
Stuart
Greetings Stu….WAR…A Conflict between two or more entities that by virtrue of frustration have opted to violence as a solution….The purpose of war is to kill and destroy…If we can agree on this premise than I fail to see how the names mentioned as the dogs of war fit that criterior…Note !
A discussion on whether GWB fits the criterior could be interesting….Various religous philosphies have been with us for ages….Those who think they have an inside track on prophesy and exercise their God given liberty to express it are not dogs of war but merely religous zealots,that, should they be able to attain power could indeed become dogs of war…Quote (theodorej @ July 06 2008,00:29) Quote (Stu @ July 05 2008,09:11) Quote (lineon @ July 05 2008,02:50) Hey Stuart tell me who do you think 'the dogs of war' are?
Please don't give me paragraph upon paragraph of your belief,
Just make it short and sweet.Lineon
John Hagee, George Bush and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad begin the list. All of them religious nutters who in some way think their fantasy revealed knowledge will be played out by one or more enormous fireballs across the Middle East.That is who the dogs of war are. Who did you think they were? Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens?
Stuart
Greetings Stu….WAR…A Conflict between two or more entities that by virtrue of frustration have opted to violence as a solution….The purpose of war is to kill and destroy…If we can agree on this premise than I fail to see how the names mentioned as the dogs of war fit that criterior…Note !
A discussion on whether GWB fits the criterior could be interesting….Various religous philosphies have been with us for ages….Those who think they have an inside track on prophesy and exercise their God given liberty to express it are not dogs of war but merely religous zealots,that, should they be able to attain power could indeed become dogs of war…
OK. Would you like to name lineon's dogs of war then?Perhaps we could make the question a more practical one. Who should we be worried about for our own long-term security and survival? Has W made the world more or less secure? Does John Hagee promote peace and global security? Do you think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would like to sit down to tea with the Israeli Prime Minister?
In each case, as you say, there is religious zealotry behind it. Tell me who Dawkins or Sam Harris want to bomb. Tell me who Jesus would bomb! I would strongly suggest that after the effects of climate change and religious zealotry (including bombing things and people) there is not much else posing a serious threat. Of course Dawkins et al are a threat to religious ideologies but they don't actually want to see anyone die or suffer revenge at the hands of the righteous.
Christianity and Islam are very recent ideologies, each only 2000 years old. That is 1% of human history. While they claim to be responsible for civilisation, so much of what is written in their immutable holy books is anti-civilisation. They ignore the ancient Greek and (to some extent) Roman contributions to our current state, however you may see it.
Maybe I should call Hagee a dog-of-war-wannabe. He has the ear of the unquestionably warmongering W. That is enough to be sending chills down the spine.
As long as people can see the difference between fantasy and humanity we will be OK. People who believe in the Koran and Revelation cannot make that distinction, and no attention should be given to them.
Stuart
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