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Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,02:37) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 27 2012,10:29)
Hi Georgie, let's not over-complicate things; OKIn your query, you asked (in essence): “did God ever abbreviate any of the names of the Prophets?”
I understood your question as an attempt to discredit my name is listed in the bible as (עד) Ed.
To which I pointed out the “FACT” that God's name is also abbreviated in the bible.
EDJ(1)Please remember that I have asked you to participate in the Hot Seat simply because I am intrigued as to why you think you are a character in the bible.
(2)This is not the place to get touchy or offended.
(3)I asked you a simple question and you did not answer it correctly.
I asked you if God ever abbreviated the names of his prophets?
(4)I didn't ask if God abbreviated his own name.
(5)Please can we leave out false accusations like “you are trying to discredit me”
(6)This is a debate, obviously because I don't believe your claim, which is why we are here, and I need you to prove me wrong, so lets just stick to facts as I am not here to mock you.
(7)But I will be blunt Ed, and truthful regarding facts, as I know you will be too.
Hi Georgie,1) I have been attempting to explain to you (very slowly so that you can
fully absorb the information I will present of) why my name is written in the bible.
2) I do not ever get offended Georgie as I have killed the ego long ago. (See Matthew 16:25)
3) My answer was based on why you would ask the question about abbreviations of Prophet's names.
But OK I'll bite – I don't know of any Prophets who's names were abbreviated – but then again I ain't “a Prophet”.
4) I simply pointed out that God had his name abbreviated as he had also the writer of Joshua abbreviate mine.
5) Clearly you missQuote me here, and NO I have not accused you of anything – here again is what I said:
“I understood your question as an attempt to discredit my name is listed in the bible as (עד) Ed.”
6) I'm here participating in this discussion (with you) to show that my claim is accurate and true.
What you choose to believe (whether right or wrong) is your choice to make, not mine.
7) Then we still have much to discuss, until to you fully understand my claim that is.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgReposted for you to reference:
Hi Georgie,
Defining the terms we need to use – during our discussion in this thread:
Gematria: is the use of number valuations, which associate different words together, through integers.
“Gematria” is a powerful tool, which can be used with the Hebrew, the Greek and English languages;
illustrating that through the use number associations, Gematria even crosses languages barriers.Theomatics: is the use of “Gematria” totals, to associate Theological ideas together;
through multiplication factors, which are derived from their specific Gematria valuations.The God Numbers: are specific reoccurring “Theomatic numbers” used in the AKJV Bible;
that not only help to prove GOD’s existence, but also help to clarify many doctrinal beliefs.Gematria(74) illustrated as a parable, is much like a loaded gun:
Is a gun an instrument of evil? That depends on how it is used; No?
In the hands of a rebellious criminal, it is indeed. Yet put that same gun
in the hands of a trained Police officer and it becomes an instrument of peace.Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Prov.25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Georgie, (Please carefully read this post again, as this information is pertinent to my case; OK?)
These certain words and names are intercorrelated throughout the AKJV Bible and have interconnectivity
to both the original Hebrew and Greek Scriptures; this evidence is undeniable. When considering the
proof of the existence of God, it is inconceivable that the evidences could have been fabricated
by the mind of man given the large timescales combined with the variety of languages used.
God's existence is now presented to the entire world. May this information bless you all!God's Signature
Proof of God=117
GOD(26) → The Bible(63) → AKJV Bible(74) → The LORD JEHOVAH(151)יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)Each of these specific number values (26, 63, 74, 117 & 151) can be argued (by themselves)
as irrelevant by any skeptic to their conclusive meaning. But all of them taken as a whole, seeing
their interconnectedness of significance relating to “The Big Picture”, the odds become astronomical.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Georgie, (I have broken your post down to three responses)
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,02:26) GEMATRIA
A system by which hidden truths and meanings are discovered within words. Each letter of an alphabet corresponds to a number. Numerical values of words are totaled up and then these words are said to correspond with other words sharing the same numerical value.
This is not accurate, see my second post (on this page) as to the terms of our discussion.Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,02:26) In JEWISH MYSTICISM this is a traditional system of associating numbers with Hebrew letters for the purpose of discovering hidden meanings in words. This is accomplished by systematically associating letters with numbers and then finding other words with similar numbers. These latter words are regarded as comments on the original words. Systems related to the Hebrew implementation of gematria are still used.
The use of the word 'mysticism' in inaccurate and furthermore to call Jewish Kabbalists mystics
paramounts to negative irrelevant name-calling (in Greek this is known as an ad hominem attack)(Link) An ad hominem (Latin for “to the man”), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an
argument made personally against an opponent, instead of against the opponent's argument.
Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as an informal fallacy, more precisely an irrelevanceQuote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,02:26) The HEBREWS also used GEMATRIA for …DIVINATION….
Which Hebrews? The ones that came out of Egypt? Or the ones that mingled with gentiles and learn't pagan customs? Nevertheless, they used it for Divination. Would these people be considered for receiving this spiritual gift?
Spin – your use of the word 'divination' is another attempt at more negative irrelevant name calling = yet another ad hominem attack.Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,02:26) Gematria carried over into early Christianity which helped make the dove a representation of Jesus; the Greek word for dove, peristera, equals 801 as do the Greek letters in alpha and omega, which represent the Beginning and the End.
Now the christians are adopting this practise? … whoring into things they do not understand.
More spinGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Georgie, (…continued, response #2)
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,02:26) It was the KABBALISTS, however, WHO SERIOUSLY STUDIED GEMATRIA and developed it into an art form.
The Kabbalists of the 13th century seriously believed that
the Old Testament was written in a hidden code inspired by God.
The New “Testament”(117) as well as the Old! (<– See the 117 link embedded next to the word “Testament”)
Prov.25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,02:26) Entire verses were numerically added up and interpreted in such a fashion.
See definition of “Theomatics” (second post on page,) one of the terms we will be using in our discussion.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Georgie, (…continued, response #3)
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,02:26) The KABBALISTS also used GEMATRIA to search for the holy names of God thinking, as so many others have, THAT THESE NAMES SUCH AS THE TETRAGRAMMATION POSSESSED POWER. Such a procedure has been adopted by many PRESENT DAY MAGICIANS. However, it should be noted two schools of thought regarding gematria also were issued from the Kabbalists. One advocated it use while the other cautioned against its practice, recommending that it only be practiced to strengthen one's own conclusions. Various methods of gematria have evolved; for example one Kabblistic tract lists 72 of hem.
Yet more spinQuote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,02:26) There are two other lesser known decoding systems which are related to gematria, and various methods of practice exist within each of these systems too. The first of these systems is known as notarikon, in which the first letter of words may be extracted and combined to form new words; or, another version is to take the first, last, and sometimes the middle letters to make new words or phrases.
Irrelevant to our discussionQuote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,02:26) ED J, can you see a pattern in all of the above?
Yes I do, it is nothing but a bunch of irrelevant spin – why are you posting such garbage anyway?Are you not here to find out what “IS” the truth of the matter?
…that is what you led me to believe, was it not?Come now, and let us reason together, saith The LORD JEHOVAH(151) (Isa 1:18)
(See the 151 link embedded next to the Theomatic wording of “The LORD JEHOVAH”)
(See Isaiah 12:2 and Isaiah 26:4 for the wording “The LORD JEHOVAH”)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd wrote:[/quote]
Quote EDJ Quote I ask that you either address me as “Ed J” or “Ed” or “ED”, not Edj, edj… ect.
Those who purposefully misspell one's name do so out of intentional disrespect.Sorry, not intentional that I missed out a space between ED and J. I was concentrating more on what I had to say than the way I typed your abbreviated name. Now I have to walk on eggshells every time I use your abbreviated name. You are getting offended too easily ED J over something so insignificant. What if I used your real name? Like I have given you mine? Then I wouldn't have to abbreviate incorrectly.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,05:08)
Where did you get all that stuff from? …meaning where's the link to your source?Sorry it's this one
Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,08:51) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,05:08) I ask that you either address me as “Ed J” or “Ed” or “ED”, not Edj, edj… ect.
Those who purposefully misspell one's name do so out of intentional disrespect.
Sorry, not intentional that I missed out a space between ED and J. I was concentrating more on what I had to say than the way I typed your abbreviated name. Now I have to walk on eggshells every time I use your abbreviated name. You are getting offended too easily ED J over something so insignificant. What if I used your real name? Like I have given you mine? Then I wouldn't have to abbreviate incorrectly.
Hi Georgie,Trust me, I have not gotten offended. But
in either case, you are not doing what I asked.If you choose to do otherwise, it is YOUR CHOICE to make.
There are many who choose to show disrespect, but “I” will not.Using someones “Real Name” without their permission is against the rules here.
If you would rather I call you 'Journey42' instead of “your name” just say so.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,08:51) What if I used your real name? Like I have given you mine?
Ed is my real name.Hi Georgie,
The place where Abraham built the “Altar” to sacrifice his Son
Isaac, Abraham called: JEHOVAH-jireh (meaning “JEHOVAH will provide”) (Gen.22:14)Was this Altar Prophetic concerning Jesus (God's Son) WAS sacrificed? Yes or No ?
Please answer this question as this is not only relative to our discussion, but also pertinent to your understanding.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,09:57) Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,08:51) What if I used your real name? Like I have given you mine?
Ed is my real name.
So your birth name is not “Edward”?Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,10:10) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,09:57) Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,08:51) What if I used your real name? Like I have given you mine?
Ed is my real name.
So your birth name is not “Edward”?
Hi Georgie,The name that is on my birth certificate (whether Edwin, Edward, or whatever) is not important, nor is it relevant to our discussion.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Georgie,
You asked (in essence): 'if the prophets names were ever abbreviated'
to which I stated THE FACT that “I”, Ed, never claimed to be “a Prophet”.But God's name is abbreviated as [יה] YÄ corresponding to the first two letters of his “Full Name” and
likewise is my name is abbreviated as Ed corresponding to the first two letters of my “Full Name”.
THESE ARE BOTH INDISPUTABLE FACTS; it's “THE FACTS” you should be concerned with, no?If the name on my birth certificate was “Theodore” and I called myself “Ed”, then you 'might' have a case.
If you are indeed intent on trying to debunk what I say, I suggest you desist from perusing failed approaches.
I thought you were interested in the truth here, it then becomes necessary for you to learn The Facts; does it not?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Georgie,
Now will you please answer the question in my first post on this page, as it is relative to our discussion?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,13:56)
Have any of you ever seen the Jim Cary movie called: ‘Bruce Almighty’?
Well there is a scene where he is crying out to God… “God to show me a sign”!
He drives past one sign that says “Bridge Out” and then another that says “Caution”.
He is completely oblivious to the “many signs”, continuing towards an incomplete Bridge.I understand the point you are trying to make, but how can anyone compare anything to a movie that blasphemes God.
Quote That is how numbers were for me, “no interest” “didn't care” and still I kept seeing the number 54,
but didn't have a clue as to why? Then I was introduced to a book called Theomatics II by Author Del Washburn.
OK, so this is how you started. I'm not convinced that this “sign” came from God.Quote Or Are you familiar with the Prophet Amos?
Amos 7:14 …I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son;
but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit: And the LORD took
me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel.
Yes, and he wasn't the only prophet of God. There are many others mentioned, with John being the last prophet under the Law, and there's two prophets to come as spoken in Revelations. These were the only prophets mentioned and we were warned that they are coming. (Will be preaching in Israel)Quote Well my story is very similar, God still uses people today and God has called me
to write a book that now documents the very “PROOF of God's existence”.
God has true labourers today, yes that I agree, and they preach the word already spoken. The holy bible is already written and cannot be changed. We were warned.Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Do you understand what this means ED J? If any man is to suffer the plagues that are coming (wrath of God-7 trumpets) then this means that they belong to those who are deceived.
Writing your own book about how God works is doing just that. God already did it for us, enabled his words to be in print to guide us. Everything is to be compared to his word. Be careful not to disobey, because although you think you are doing good, you are actually disobeying this commandment.Quote I have no buffeting spirit, like the Apostle Paul had, as I have no ego. What comes out of your mouth will determine this.
Quote YHVH=63 has even wrote about me in his book: “The Bible”=63. Why do you think it's you? Are not there millions of ED'S?
Are you reincarnated? Is that what you are trying to say? I don't understand ED J what you mean?
Quote This has only been done (as I see things) to be used as conclusive proof of GOD's existence.
Without it, I would be considered just another “crackpot”, in a long history of ‘crackpots’.
My good friend Gary Robb once said: “Nobody can know everything about everything”.
But God's kingdom is “real” and the extent of this proof is yet to be revealed to all.Of Course, who do you think will reveal it? Who were we taught to trust in? By you saying that you are someone special mentioned in the bible, means that you want us to trust your word over anyone else's. Is this Correct? Are you using scare tactics on us?
Quote Sorry for the Autobiography, but it is necessary to this thread.
That's ok ED J. I am honoured you are sharing this.Quote Numbers are corroborative evidence only; nothing more.
I have learned based on numbers: No “Theology”,
though satan might tell you all differently!If one can interpret the scriptures using numbers, and continue to use this same method, with the same outcome, thus revealing a type of believe that cannot be moved, then wouldn't you call it a type of theology?
I am very aware of the depths of Satan. He is the deceiver, very cunning, and good at what he does. God reveals Satan's character and his tricks to us, not Satan.
I will try to address everything you say, so that you do not think I'm dodging questions. You are running a million miles an hour now, so slow down please. I can't sit on this internet all day and all night. Just slow down. Don't forget to answer my questions. If I ask you a question first, then you're turn to answer. ….and visa versa. Please don't give me 4-5 other points inbetween. This only distracts and takes us all over the place.
Ed wrote:[/quote]
Quote
The name that is on my birth certificate (whether Edwin, Edward, or whatever) is not important, nor is it relevant to our discussion.ED J
It is very important to our discussion. You are claiming that you are a character from the bible. You quote this under your name everytime.
Joshua 22:33 And the thing pleased the children of Israel; and the children of Israel blessed God, and did not intend to go up against them in battle, to destroy the land wherein the children of Reuben and Gad dwelt.
Joshua 22:34 And the CHILDREN OF REUBENand the CHILDREN OF GAD… called the altar Ed: for IT shall be a witness between us that the LORD is God.
What has this got to do with you? Are you an IT?
The children of Reuben and Gad called IT ED. How can this possibly relate to you in any form or manner no matter what your name is. Your name is abbreviated by yourself anyway, and there are millions of ED's out there. There is no ED J on that altar, and it's not about you, but a pile of stones as a rememberance to THEM of the occasion.Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,05:12) Reposted for you to reference: Hi Georgie,
Defining the terms we need to use – during our discussion in this thread:
Gematria: is the use of number valuations, which associate different words together, through integers.
“Gematria” is a powerful tool, which can be used with the Hebrew, the Greek and English languages;
illustrating that through the use number associations, Gematria even crosses languages barriers.Theomatics: is the use of “Gematria” totals, to associate Theological ideas together;
through multiplication factors, which are derived from their specific Gematria valuations.The God Numbers: are specific reoccurring “Theomatic numbers” used in the AKJV Bible;
that not only help to prove GOD’s existence, but also help to clarify many doctrinal beliefs.Gematria(74) illustrated as a parable, is much like a loaded gun:
Is a gun an instrument of evil? That depends on how it is used; No?
In the hands of a rebellious criminal, it is indeed. Yet put that same gun
in the hands of a trained Police officer and it becomes an instrument of peace.Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Prov.25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I looked up your term Gematria, and it has it's roots in Babylon, and with the ancient Greeks, with Kabalah (who have nothing to do with truth and originated in Babylon also) This numbering system used stemmed from back then. The interpretations of scripture they come up with does not fit what God has shown us. I do not wish to learn this method you use. This is not according to God's will that we go into numbers to search the truth, but just to feed on the flesh of Christ, for in it is life.Quote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,16:37) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2012,10:29) The name that is on my birth certificate (whether Edwin, Edward, or whatever) is not important, nor is it relevant to our discussion.
ED JIt is very important to our discussion. You are claiming that you are a character from the bible.
Hi Georgie, (did you even read this post?)You asked (in essence): 'if the prophets names were ever abbreviated'
to which I stated THE FACT that “I”, Ed, never claimed to be “a Prophet”.But God's name is abbreviated as [יה] YÄ corresponding to the first two letters of his “Full Name” and
likewise is my name is abbreviated as Ed corresponding to the first two letters of my “Full Name”.
THESE ARE BOTH INDISPUTABLE FACTS; it's “THE FACTS” you should be concerned with, no?If the name on my birth certificate was “Theodore” and I called myself “Ed”, then you 'might' have a case.
If you are indeed intent on trying to debunk what I say, I suggest you desist from perusing failed approaches.
I thought you were interested in the truth here, it then becomes necessary for you to learn The Facts; does it not?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ Nov. 28 2012,16:37)
Joshua 22:33 And the thing pleased the children of Israel; and the children of Israel blessed God, and did not intend to go up against them in battle, to destroy the land wherein the children of Reuben and Gad dwelt.Joshua 22:34 And the CHILDREN OF REUBENand the CHILDREN OF GAD… called the altar Ed: for IT shall be a witness between us that the LORD is God.
What has this got to do with you? Are you an IT?
The children of Reuben and Gad called IT ED. How can this possibly relate to you in any form or manner no matter what your name is. Your name is abbreviated by yourself anyway, and there are millions of ED's out there. There is no ED J on that altar, and it's not about you, but a pile of stones as a rememberance to THEM of the occasion.
Hi Georgie,We will be getting to that verse in do time, please be patient with me
and address my questions as they are building up to that verse.It would be nice if you would follow the things I say
as well as your ability to discover that verse!So please now do answer my question
on the first post on this page, OK?You can argue with me about the meaning of that “Altar” first, we will
get to the one about me after you get past the one about Jesus.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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