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942764 and @admin,
The videos I watched directly on YouTube have sound but this one does not. Is my only sound system having trouble with it or is it yours as well?
Hi Kerwin:
No problem with the sound with the video as posted on this website. It must be something with your sound system.
942767 and @admin,
You may be correct but it only seems to affect that video. I have also checked news sites and it works but I have not checked other videos on this site.
Hi,
Phil 2 is not speaking of the man Jesus but the Spirit of Christ.
In the beginning the Word was with God and was God.
I proceeded forth….and came from God.
Hello Nick,
Phil 2 speaks of the mind of Christ.
interestingly, does trinity-Jesus have a spirit (seeing that trinity-Jesus is supposed to be God – and God is Spirit – and…the Spirit of God is Holy!?)
Does the Father have a spirit?
Does the trinity-Holy-Spirit person have a spirit?
Jael…..The Fatger “is” spirit, according to Jesus, and When it tells us to let this mind be in us that was in the christ Jesus our lord. THAT is indeed refering to the spirit of GOD. JUST as it says , “if the spirit of him that raised christ Jesus from the grave, dwell in you, it shall also quicken your mortal body.” we should all take the form of a servant that is our calling. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
‘Equality with God – a thing [not] to be grasped’.
There seems to be a great debate about the word ‘Grasp’ leading to some claiming that it means ‘Something in possession’ (not sure how this can be) rather than ‘something to be reached out for’ (that’s more like it – try it in a sentence or ten!)
As a consequence, did Jesus already have equality with God (? If he was God why is there even a debate as to being equal to what he is? I’m flummoxed as to this part of the debate!)
But rather, isn’t it that, having the power of God by means of the Holy Spirit anointment, Jesus did not seek to ‘reach out to take up equality with God’ (showing he wasn’t God – and here’s the joiner…) but rather … (Instead of reaching for – grasping for equality) made himself of no reputation (Scriptures bears this up (He will not shout out in the street, not comly to look upon, meek, mild, a servant, even unto death). Having the power of God almighty yet did not seek (grasp) out for glory by [mis-]using it for his own ends: this is humbleness enthroned. Imagine a heavyweight boxer being abused by scurrilous persons and yet did not use his power to hit back but meekly sucked up the abuse – that takes great strength and resolve. Jesus’ first use of his power – to turn water into wine… Like a magic trick! Like a Jedi kid first use of his [mythical] lightsaber – Did the disciples glorify Jesus for such a ‘trick’ – who did it appeal to as a ‘miracle’? But then afterwards Jesus only ever used his power for the good of others – even demanding that the benefactors not tell anyone that he did the deed – not desire glory in case anyone should say it was by his power – rather, praise God… Hey, don’t trinitarians say he was God, then he asked them to glory him… Yet we know it is the Father who is glorified by the acts of his son – So ‘God’ by Jesus, is the Father.
Jesus states that ‘God is the Father; the only true God’ yet trinitarians say Jesus was not telling the truth.
Hi Jael,
Who knows what complicated dogmas the trinity followers have devised?
God is Spirit.
Jesus quoted Isaiah about being his anointed with the Spirit to preach and heal.
Instead men still want to make him a preexistent demigod that needed no anointing to do the works of the Father.
They want a man to worship.
You may be correct but it only seems to affect that video. I have also checked news sites and it works but I have not checked other videos on this site.
Perhaps you mistakenly clicked on mute in the volume control of the video.
Why are you repeating words that are not in Philippians 2:1-11 as if they were. You have no argument because of it.
Reality check for kerwin.
When I quote scripture, it is in red unless I forgot. Often it is accompanied by the book and verse number too.
Now many ask what I believe and I type a couple of paragraphs that include Philippians 2:1-11, but also John 17:5, and I often add that he came in the flesh.
You see the antichrist spirit denies this truth, so you should be happy for me to include it in my defense and in what I believe.
The antichrist spirit denies that Jesus came in the flesh, so you should agree with my words too.
Hi,
Phil 2 is not speaking of the man Jesus but the Spirit of Christ.
The Spirit of God acknowledges that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and is already in the world at this time.So Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
Clearly we see in both these scriptures that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. But you disagree Nick which casts huge suspicion on the spirit you are under. You said:
Of course Jesus was made both Lord and Christ so was not conceived or born as such.
https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/is-jesus-the-logos/page/49/#post-808401So you deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh because baby Jesus was not the Christ according to you. So when is one “made in the likeness of men exactly”? Was he not born a man or part of mankind? And yet you state that he was not the Christ.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
Jesus Christ came in the flesh Nick. But you say that he was not the Christ when he came in the flesh.
Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
I am testing the spirit and you have been found wanting. Clearly, you do not believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Instead, what you say is that he later on became the Christ, but was not born as such.
Hi t8,
You have no spiritual insight being unable to discern the work of the Spirit in men.
So why would you try to judge us using only weak human logic?
T8…..The truth is the man Jesus did come into his “existence” in the flesh, the christo’s also came into that flesh man Jesus, now the christo’s is not itself flesh but is the SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD, and it entered THE MAN JESUS, at the Jordan when the MAN JESUS was baptized by JOHN the Baptist, That took place when the man Jesus Became the CHRISTO’S OF GOD, GOD THE FATHER from that time forward was “IN” the man Jesus, and led him into the wilderness to be tested, and after that sent him out into the world to preach the gouspel of Kingdom of God.
You do not truly reconize JESUS as a pure human being, but a “morphed” being who came from another form existence . BUT not so much as a single scripture spicificely say that, so you as other preexistences force texts to say what in fact it does not say. You are not seeing the whole purpose of why JESUS had to be and ordinary human being, you are not understanding that Jesus was the first “perfected” human being, which was GOD THE FATHERS purpose for “all” humaniy from the very begining of creation. Jesus is the first pure human to achieve that goal for us all as an example to us all.
You seperate Jesus from your ouwn self by thinking he was someone who was different the we are, and that is exactly what Satan wants us all to do, so we can’t actually relate with him as an human being. The trinity as well as well as the doctrine of prexistence both works for that goal of SATAN, he himself designed those teaching to cause the church to became aposticized, because he knows God will not accept anyone who preaches another God , idolaters, are not accepted with GOD. and while you don’t believe in the trinity , you do believe their teachings on preexistences, so it’s as if you are half out and half in.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi t8,
The Pharisees thought they had a finger on the pulse with their knowledge of the Word.
Once the Spirit taught Paul he regarded the old ‘knowledge” that made him become a murderer as rubbish.
Listen to the Spirit in the mouths of servants of God
Hi t8,
Poor chap.
You have to suffer those who see more deeply.
They cannot see truth because you think you own it.
Would you prefer to limit this forum to the depth of your understanding .?
And exactly what does ‘being in the form of God’ in Phil. 2:6 mean? (Maybe it was discussed earlier and I missed it.)
According to the title of this discussion, this should have received prominent attention.
Here are some important NT Greek words found in that phrase:
being (huparchon) in the form (morphe) of god (theou – anarthrous genitive noun).
huparchon may be translated as ‘being’ or ‘existing,’ all right, but it should be remembered that it literally means “under a beginning.” It is never used for God (He had no beginning), but for things or events which have had a beginning and may or may not still be in existence. For example, examine these uses of huparchon:
Ro. 4:19; 1 Cor. 11:18; 2 Cor. 8:17; James 2:15.
These four verses not only show a state that has begun recently but a state that is transient, temporary – e.g., Abraham hadn’t always been [huparchon] 100 years of age and certainly wouldn’t continue to be 100 years of age: he had begun to be [huparchon] about 100 years old at this point – Ro. 4:19.
‘Form’ may be used to translate morphe, but it also must be understood that it is restricted to the outward appearance of something, not to its essence. Therefore, since God is a spirit person and the other heavenly persons are also spirit persons, it can be said that they all are in a form (appearance) of God.
Theou is without the article (anarthrous) and, being a genitive, may be rendered as either “God” or “a god.”
Tigger…..We are all made in the image of God scripture says, I believe Phil 2:1-11 is speaking of having the nature of God, Jesus existed on this earth with the nature of God because the Anointing spirit of God was in him, but none of that ever made him a God, no more then anyone who has the spirit of God is a true God even now.
Jesus existing with the nature of God never thought to rob God and make himself equal with him, even though he could have because of all the miracles God the Father was doing through him, he simply could have let people think it was he himself doing those miracles. Had he did that then he would have been robbing God of glory.Remember what Moses did at the waters of Meriba where he broke faith with God, by what he said to the people before he smote the rock with his staff, and because of that he was not permitted to enter the promise land. Jesus never broke faith with the Father.
peace and love to you and yours……..gene
Hi,
Isaiah42,
Behold My servant, whom I uphold, My chosen one in whom My soul delights.
I have put My Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.
He will not cry out or raise his voice, nor make his voice heard in the street
Is 53
He grew up before Him as a tender shoot and like a root out of parched ground.
He has no stately form or majesty that we should look upon him
nor appearance that we should be attracted to him.
He was despised and forsaken of men
a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
he was despised, and we did not esteem him.
This is the chosen vessel for the Spirit of our God.
God’s power shows up best in weak vessels.
Also 1 Cor 1
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