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- December 11, 2009 at 9:18 am#163760ConstitutionalistParticipant
What is a Pharisee?
Got some idea's?
Here is mine. Add to it if you can think of some.
Pharisees
Yeshua HaMoshiach Rebukes the Pharisees
They are hypocrites. Mt 23:2, 3
Their hypocrisy is echoed 8 times. Mt 23:13, 14, 15, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29
Compare Jas 3:17
They are ever managers, but never workers. Mt 23:4
They perform for men to see and praise them. Mt 23:5-7 compare Mt 6:1-6
They love to have titles by which they are addressed. Mt 23:8-12
They keep people out of the kingdom of heaven. Mt 23:13, 14
They perpetuate falsehood. Mt 23:15
They are spiritually blind and cannot perceive the truth. Mt 23:16, 17
They do not realize they are blind. Lk 18:11, Jn 9:39, 40 compare Rev 3:17
They major on minor issues. Mt 23:23, 24 compare Lk 11:42
Compare Lk 6:6, 7, Lk 14:1-4, Lk 15:2, Jn 8:3, Jn 9:13-16
They are clean on the outside, but filthy and wicked on the inside. Mt 23:25-28
Additional Insight
They elevate the traditions of men above the commandments of 'Elohim. Mk 7:5-9
They seek to justify themselves before men. Lk 16:13-15
True Practices
True religion Jas 1:26,27
True worship Jn 4:23, 24
True sacrifice Isa 66:3, 4, Ps 51:16, 17, Heb 13:15, 16, 1Pe 2:5
True fasting Isa 58:3-14
Can You Add Some Additional Insight?
December 11, 2009 at 9:55 am#163763KangarooJackParticipantConstitutionalist is a pharisee.
thinker
December 11, 2009 at 10:38 am#163774ConstitutionalistParticipantQuote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,01:55) Constitutionalist is a pharisee. thinker
Personal attacks make you feel good?December 11, 2009 at 4:14 pm#163794peace2allParticipantlets try to find out who and what they were about.
they were a major religious societies of Judaism then.The name Pharisee in its Hebrew form means separatists, or the separated ones. They were also known as chasidim, which means loyal to God, or loved of God – extremely ironic in view of the fact that by His time, they made themselves the most bitter, and deadly, opponents of Jesus Christ and His message
The Pharisees perhaps meant to obey God, they thought or claimed to do god's will but they only chose to accept some of the laws yet add their own to it. they continued t odo detestable things in god's eye but continued to think they were in union wit hhim. they became blind to The Messiah when He was in their very midst. They saw His miracles, they heard His Words, but instead of receiving it with joy, they did all that they could to stop Him even trying to have him killed.
self-righteousness is not righteousness, and that God's true people are to live according to all of God's Word, not just certain parts that are most convenient or to one's own liking
jesus used strong language when speaking of them
Matthew 5:20
Matthew 16:11-12
Matthew 15:3-6
Matthew 23:13
Matthew 23:23-24
Matthew 3:7-10one should use scriptures to what the message they bring forth. not thinking of what it might mean with their own interpretations. one cannot think that some or part of the scriptures or bible should be used in accordance to ones views. one should adhere to the message of the bible and not try to demean any person or work written. if scriptures give an answer and is shown within the bible and the message is constant and fits throughout, leaving no doubt or question to one wanting to use their own ideas, then you must listen ,acknowledge and perform what is asked of you.
“Deuteronomy 4:5-9
December 11, 2009 at 4:15 pm#163795peace2allParticipant“”The truth is that Judaism is a corruption of the religion God gave to Moses. It, too, was syncretic: part pagan, part truth, bound together by their own reasoning. In many places, Jesus corrected and railed against the Sadducees, the scribes, and the Pharisees. He said directly that they had rejected God's commandments to keep their own traditions. God's commandments are in the Old Testament; the Jews' traditions are not, and they are what the Jews lived by. Therefore, how can we say that Judaism came out of the Old Testament? God called the people out of Judaism to bring them into Christianity, just as today God is calling people out of a syncretic Christianity in order to bring them into true, biblical Christianity.
If Judaism really were God's religion, why did He not fix it from within? The period between the Testaments—between Malachi and Matthew—covered roughly 400 years in which a great deal took place. The record of Judaism during that time, particularly the history of the high priests, is much like that of the Papacy during the Middle Ages.
True Christianity's roots are in the truth of God—not only in the Old Testament, but also in the New. Judaism, though, rejects the New Testament, claiming the Old Testament as their book exclusively, and that perception is very strong to all. This world's Christianity claims the New Testament as its exclusive domain and virtually—and practically—ignores the Old Testament.””
December 11, 2009 at 6:22 pm#163823KangarooJackParticipantQuote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 11 2009,21:38) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,01:55) Constitutionalist is a pharisee. thinker
Personal attacks make you feel good?
I remember you calling people “pagans” on the halloween thread. You are a pharisee. If I don't point it out the innocent and unlearned here might not be made aware and be spared.thinker
December 11, 2009 at 6:32 pm#163828KangarooJackParticipantTO ALL:
I just received my second tile for a comment to Constitutionalist above. I stand by my statement. Con called people “pagans” more than once on the halloween thread and he has no tiles.
I Praise God for my second tile!
thinker
December 11, 2009 at 7:00 pm#163833peace2allParticipantQuote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,05:22) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 11 2009,21:38) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,01:55) Constitutionalist is a pharisee. thinker
Personal attacks make you feel good?
I remember you calling people “pagans” on the halloween thread. You are a pharisee. If I don't point it out the innocent and unlearned here might not be made aware and be spared.thinker
is it not a pagan ungodly worship?worship of the dead
December 11, 2009 at 7:13 pm#163835KangarooJackParticipantQuote (peace2all @ Dec. 12 2009,06:00) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,05:22) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 11 2009,21:38) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,01:55) Constitutionalist is a pharisee. thinker
Personal attacks make you feel good?
I remember you calling people “pagans” on the halloween thread. You are a pharisee. If I don't point it out the innocent and unlearned here might not be made aware and be spared.thinker
is it not a pagan ungodly worship?worship of the dead
Yes the worship of the dead is pagan. But Con called WJ a “pagan” for passing out candy and tracts on halloween. Yet he has no tiles.That's fine. I can take it. Just pointing it out. I will jump on any opportunity to expose anti-trinitarian inconsistencies and double standards.
thinker
December 11, 2009 at 11:10 pm#163900peace2allParticipantQuote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,06:13) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 12 2009,06:00) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,05:22) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 11 2009,21:38) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,01:55) Constitutionalist is a pharisee. thinker
Personal attacks make you feel good?
I remember you calling people “pagans” on the halloween thread. You are a pharisee. If I don't point it out the innocent and unlearned here might not be made aware and be spared.thinker
is it not a pagan ungodly worship?worship of the dead
Yes the worship of the dead is pagan. But Con called WJ a “pagan” for passing out candy and tracts on halloween. Yet he has no tiles.That's fine. I can take it. Just pointing it out. I will jump on any opportunity to expose anti-trinitarian inconsistencies and double standards.
thinker
well one does not have to be actually worshipping the dead on holloween to be still doing what the tradition it was founded for that is held on that day.if you drive a car and are with people who rob a bank are you not still part of it.
if you have a car and the cops find drugs in it yet they are not yours are you not still the one who gets in trouble.
just because it doesn't mean the same to you what it really is, is not a defense.
if its pagan then have a “holiday” on a different day thts not tied to it in any way. why do they have to be held on hte day that the pagan worship origniated.
satan is very clever.
hey, what is a tile and waht is a tract.
thanksDecember 12, 2009 at 1:17 am#163903ConstitutionalistParticipantQuote (thethinker @ Dec. 11 2009,10:32) TO ALL: I just received my second tile for a comment to Constitutionalist above. I stand by my statement. Con called people “pagans” more than once on the halloween thread and he has no tiles.
I Praise God for my second tile!
thinker
Using the format above, explain how calling anyone who worships pagan halloween a pagan makes them a Pharisee.December 12, 2009 at 1:38 am#163906ConstitutionalistParticipantpeace2all,
Did that come from the Forerunner commentary? That is one of my favorite commentaries.
December 12, 2009 at 1:41 am#163907ConstitutionalistParticipantDid you know that Shaul (apostle Paul), Gamaliel, and Nicodemus in the New Testament were famous Pharisees?
There were both sincere 'Elohim loving Pharisees and hypocrites. Both the Bible and the Talmud mention the existence of hypocrisy.
Yeshua condemned the hypocrisy that the Pharisees had, but He didn't blame all Pharisees.
Apostle Paul was Pharisee believer.
The famous Pharisees that the Brit Hadasha (the New Testament) tells us about (Gamaliel, Nicodemus, etc.) did the golden deeds worthy of believers in 'Elohim.
December 12, 2009 at 2:19 am#163912bananaParticipantThis is what Jesus said a Pharisee was,
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
and more.
This is what John the baptist said a pharisee was.Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Georg
December 12, 2009 at 2:28 am#163915ConstitutionalistParticipantQuote (banana @ Dec. 11 2009,18:19) This is what Jesus said a Pharisee was, Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
and more.
This is what John the baptist said a pharisee was.Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Georg
Yes He did, great job.December 12, 2009 at 3:37 pm#163966peace2allParticipantQuote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 12 2009,13:28) Quote (banana @ Dec. 11 2009,18:19) This is what Jesus said a Pharisee was, Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Mat 23:16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
and more.
This is what John the baptist said a pharisee was.Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Georg
Yes He did, great job.
geez CON i put up the same scriptures and others at the begining of post yet you ignored me.i got not great job.
HAHAHA
so then one would not want to do as they did, ya know
add man's ideas and pagan (ungodly) worships along with god's will.
December 13, 2009 at 4:38 am#164051princess of the kingParticipantQuote (thethinker @ Dec. 12 2009,05:32) TO ALL: I just received my second tile for a comment to Constitutionalist above. I stand by my statement. Con called people “pagans” more than once on the halloween thread and he has no tiles.
I Praise God for my second tile!
thinker
came close to this a time myself, bells and whistles went offi do hope the color is more toward the burgandy and cranberry colors, at a time i am ever to be given tiles. partial to the colors.
toughing up boy, this isn't the playground. most of the Yahweh fearing women I know, cry less then you do.
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