Pentecost was jesus second coming

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 24 2012,15:06)

Hi KW, You may find exceptions.

Nick;

Those exceptions reveal that either Jesus or Jehovah is spoken of as Lord in the New Testament; with context or prior knowledge of the writer deciding which person he speaks of.  This is why I stated that Jehovah is the one that is turned to while Jesus is the way.

When a person turns to Jehovah then the vail is removed and he sees Jesus according to the Spirit; and not the flesh; this is why it is written:

John 6:44
King James Version (KJV)

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
When there is an exception it is clarified as such.
There is no confusion.

Truth is what is shown when the veil is removed.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2012,00:34)

Hi KW, When there is an exception it is clarified as such. There is no confusion. Truth is what is shown when the veil is removed.

Nick;

It is clear to those discern things spiritually as the know the vail is taken away in Christ but before it can be taken away they must be led to Christ by Jehovah.  The man who turns to Jehovah is the man that believes what he says.  Even in the OT men turned to Jehovah and believed in the coming Messiah; and were credited as righteous for their faith. It is such believers at the present time that enter into Christ Jesus by the same faith.

Jesus does reveal the truth to believers.

[Ed J]

Hi Kerwin,

Excellent post!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ May 25 2012,13:01)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2012,00:34) Hi KW, When there is an exception it is clarified as such. There is no confusion. Truth is what is shown when the veil is removed. Nick; It is clear to those discern things spiritually as the know the vail is taken away in Christ but before it can be taken away they must be led to Christ by Jehovah.  The man who turns to Jehovah is the man that believes what he says.  Even in the OT men turned to Jehovah and believed in the coming Messiah; and were credited as righteous for their faith. It is such believers at the present time that enter into Christ Jesus by the same faith. Jesus does reveal the truth to believers.

k

WRONG,IF YOU TURN TO GOD THEN YOU ALSO SHOULD DO WHAT HE SAYS ,BELIEVING IS NOT ENOUGH;

read scriptures

[NickHassan]

Hi t,
Why is everyone else always wrong?
tradition still rules you?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2012,23:22)

Hi t, Why is everyone else always wrong? tradition still rules you?

N

your comment is irrelevant to mine

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ May 25 2012,09:13)

Quote (kerwin @ May 25 2012,13:01) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2012,00:34) Hi KW, When there is an exception it is clarified as such. There is no confusion. Truth is what is shown when the veil is removed. Nick; It is clear to those discern things spiritually as the know the vail is taken away in Christ but before it can be taken away they must be led to Christ by Jehovah.  The man who turns to Jehovah is the man that believes what he says.  Even in the OT men turned to Jehovah and believed in the coming Messiah; and were credited as righteous for their faith. It is such believers at the present time that enter into Christ Jesus by the same faith. Jesus does reveal the truth to believers. k WRONG,IF YOU TURN TO GOD THEN YOU ALSO SHOULD DO WHAT HE SAYS ,BELIEVING IS NOT ENOUGH; read scriptures

T;

It is written:

Romans 4:3
King James Version (KJV)

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

and

Galatians 3:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

James 2:23
King James Version (KJV)

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

James wrote the last in addressing those whom misunderstood Paul; as he also wrote:

James 2:21-22
King James Version (KJV)

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

It is faith that propelled Abraham to offer up his son upon the altar. That faith and not the works thereof was credited as righteousness in Abraham. The evidence of faith is in the works thereof.

The evidence of belief in Jesus is to obey all of his teachings.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ May 26 2012,12:14)

Quote (terraricca @ May 25 2012,09:13) Quote (kerwin @ May 25 2012,13:01) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 25 2012,00:34) Hi KW, When there is an exception it is clarified as such. There is no confusion. Truth is what is shown when the veil is removed. Nick; It is clear to those discern things spiritually as the know the vail is taken away in Christ but before it can be taken away they must be led to Christ by Jehovah.  The man who turns to Jehovah is the man that believes what he says.  Even in the OT men turned to Jehovah and believed in the coming Messiah; and were credited as righteous for their faith. It is such believers at the present time that enter into Christ Jesus by the same faith. Jesus does reveal the truth to believers. k WRONG,IF YOU TURN TO GOD THEN YOU ALSO SHOULD DO WHAT HE SAYS ,BELIEVING IS NOT ENOUGH; read scriptures T; It is written: Romans 4:3 King James Version (KJV) 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. and Galatians 3:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. James 2:23 King James Version (KJV) 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. James wrote the last in addressing those whom misunderstood Paul; as he also wrote: James 2:21-22 King James Version (KJV) 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? It is faith that propelled Abraham to offer up his son upon the altar.  That faith and not the works thereof was credited as righteousness in Abraham.  The evidence of faith is in the works thereof. The evidence of belief in Jesus is to obey all of his teachings.

K

WHAT DID ABRAHAM BELIEVED ,??? KERWIN

[kerwin]

T;

It is written:

Romans 4
King James Version (KJV)

18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

and

Romans 4
King James Version (KJV)

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ May 26 2012,20:50)

T; It is written: Romans 4 King James Version (KJV) 18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. and Romans 4 King James Version (KJV) 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

K

Ro 4:16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.
Ro 4:17 As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.” He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.
Ro 4:18 Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”

Ro 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter?
Ro 4:2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God.
Ro 4:3 What does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
Ro 4:4 Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation.
Ro 4:5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Ro 4:6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
Ro 4:7 “Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
Ro 4:8 Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him.”

can you have faith without deeds

[NickHassan]

Hi,
The Spirit of Jesus was sent to his brothers at pentecost.
But the soul of Jesus Christ was still in heaven.

[kerwin]

T;

Quote

can you have faith without deeds

You can have ungodly faith that bears the fruit of the flesh; James provided a demon as evidence of that.

Godly faith always gives birth to godly actions; as it  is stated:

Luke 1
King James Version (KJV)

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

and

Hebrews 11:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

[NickHassan]

Hi ,
When Jesus Christ returns we will be like him and he like us.
As we are to be like the angels so will he be.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 26 2012,19:50)

Hi , When Jesus Christ returns we will be like him and he like us. As we are to be like the angels so will he be.

Hi Nick, you are not like him now?

Ephesians 4:13-14 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth
be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
We do not yet know what we will be like.[1jn 3.2]

The whole of creation anxiously waits for the revelation of the sons of God.[Rom8.19]

Half the bridesmaids were disappointed.[mt24]

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 26 2012,14:49)

Hi, The Spirit of Jesus was sent to his brothers at pentecost. But the soul of Jesus Christ was still in heaven.

Hi Nick.

There are three that bear record in heaven:
The father;theword; and the holy ghost.

The father;jesus(the word) and the holy ghost(the holy spirit).
John16:7.nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away,the comforter will not come to you; but if I depart,-I WILL SEND-HIM TO YOU.

Jesus will send the holy spirit to them(apostles).

The holy spirit is the spirit of truth. John16:13.Howbeit when HE, the spirit of truth is come,-HE- will guide you into all TRUTH: for -HE- shall not speak of HIMSELF,but whatsoever HE- shall hear,that shall -HE- speak;and -HE- will show you things to come(future prophesies).

verse 14. -HE SHALL GLORIFY ME-. for -HE- shall receive of MINE.and shall show it unto you.

My question: who is the holy spirit? not forgetting that there are THREE that bear record in heaven; The father;the word; AND- the holy spirit.

Can any of you guys explain?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 26 2012,21:49)

Hi, The Spirit of Jesus was sent to his brothers at pentecost. But the soul of Jesus Christ was still in heaven.

N

were is this written in scriptures

inventing quotes is of the world not of God

[terraricca]

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verse 14. -HE SHALL GLORIFY ME-. for -HE- shall receive of MINE.and shall show it unto you. My question: who is the holy spirit? not forgetting that there are THREE that bear record in heaven; The father;the word; AND- the holy spirit. Can any of you guys explain?

the answer lays in everyone of us and in God's ability to communicate with us ;so think it over

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ May 27 2012,09:25)

My question: who is the holy spirit?

Hi Wakeup, (Link)

The “HolySpirit” is the spirit of “God the Father”!      …do you, Wake-up, 'think' otherwise?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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