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bodhithatra said:
Quote You serve 3 masters…
You don't worship The Father who Jesus says is the Only True God and if you do worship all three then you have convicted yourself by your own words because you have 3 Masters.By bodhitharta's logic WJ and I are condemned with the apostles:
Paul:
Quote Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ… (Rom. 1:1) and,
Quote If I seek to please men I cannot be the servant of Christ (Galatians 1:10) James:
Quote James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ (James 1:1) Peter:
Quote Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:1) Jude:
Quote Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James (James 1:1) According to anti-trinitarian logic Paul, James, Peter and Jude are all “CONVICTED” of idolatry because they ALL claim to be the servants of Christ. Moreover, they all claim to be “free” servants of Christ. This means that they chose to serve Him. And James is in deeper trouble because he divides his loyalties between two masters (God and Jesus Christ). Jesus said that one cannot serve two masters. Look out James! You are in trouble big trouble.
So it looks like WJ and I are condemned with the apostles.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 09 2009,03:21) bodhithatra said: Quote You serve 3 masters…
You don't worship The Father who Jesus says is the Only True God and if you do worship all three then you have convicted yourself by your own words because you have 3 Masters.By bodhitharta's logic WJ and I are condemned with the apostles:
Paul:
Quote Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ… (Rom. 1:1) and,
Quote If I seek to please men I cannot be the servant of Christ (Galatians 1:10) James:
Quote James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ (James 1:1) Peter:
Quote Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:1) Jude:
Quote Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James (James 1:1) According to anti-trinitarian logic Paul, James, Peter and Jude are all “CONVICTED” of idolatry because they ALL claim to be the servants of Christ. Moreover, they all claim to be “free” servants of Christ. This means that they chose to serve Him. And James is in deeper trouble because he divides his loyalties between two masters (God and Jesus Christ). Jesus said that one cannot serve two masters. Look out James! You are in trouble big trouble.
So it looks like WJ and I are condemned with the apostles.
thinker
Nice try but the fact is a person is being obedient to the messenger of God to the glory of God.This is no different then how Moses has Followers and likewise Jesus has followers these followers are serving God through these men just as in the Quran it says:
Aal-e-Imran
49 “And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
50 “'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.
51 “'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'”So as you can see Jesus said “Fear God and obey him(Jesus) because he is sent from God and speaking and acting on His behalf not that he is God in any way.
bodhitharta said:
Quote So as you can see Jesus said “Fear God and obey him(Jesus) because he is sent from God and speaking and acting on His behalf not that he is God in any way. bd,
Make up your mind. You found fault with trinitarians for serving more than one Lord. Now you approve of serving more than one Lord. Which is it?
You say that Jesus is not God in any way. But He is Lord. Right? thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 09 2009,05:49) bodhitharta said: Quote So as you can see Jesus said “Fear God and obey him(Jesus) because he is sent from God and speaking and acting on His behalf not that he is God in any way. bd,
Make up your mind. You found fault with trinitarians for serving more than one Lord. Now you approve of serving more than one Lord. Which is it? You say that Jesus is not God in any way. But He is Lord. Right? thinker
He is not God or The Lord. He is the anointed of the Lord.Quote (bodhitharta @ July 08 2009,23:46) Quote (thethinker @ July 09 2009,05:49) bodhitharta said: Quote So as you can see Jesus said “Fear God and obey him(Jesus) because he is sent from God and speaking and acting on His behalf not that he is God in any way. bd,
Make up your mind. You found fault with trinitarians for serving more than one Lord. Now you approve of serving more than one Lord. Which is it? You say that Jesus is not God in any way. But He is Lord. Right? thinker
He is not God or The Lord. He is the anointed of the Lord.
Hi BDSo then you will not confess him as “Lord” to the glory of God the Father”
…and every tongue confess that “Jesus Christ is Lord“, to the glory of God the Father. Phil 2:11
The Greek word for “Lord” is 'kyrios' (strongs, g2962), which means…
1) he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
a) the possessor and disposer of a thing
1) the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
2) in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
b) is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master
c) “THIS TITLE IS GIVEN TO: GOD, THE MESSIAH”
It is found in the AV translated..
Lord 667 times, lord 54, master 11, sir 6, Sir 6, misc 4
It is almost always speaking of Jesus.
For your information, the Hebrew Tetragrammaton “YHWH” is translated in the Septuagint as “kyrios”.
Is Mohammad your Lord?
Blessings WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 09 2009,18:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 08 2009,23:46) Quote (thethinker @ July 09 2009,05:49) bodhitharta said: Quote So as you can see Jesus said “Fear God and obey him(Jesus) because he is sent from God and speaking and acting on His behalf not that he is God in any way. bd,
Make up your mind. You found fault with trinitarians for serving more than one Lord. Now you approve of serving more than one Lord. Which is it? You say that Jesus is not God in any way. But He is Lord. Right? thinker
He is not God or The Lord. He is the anointed of the Lord.
Hi BDSo then you will not confess him as “Lord” to the glory of God the Father”
…and every tongue confess that “Jesus Christ is Lord“, to the glory of God the Father. Phil 2:11
The Greek word for “Lord” is 'kyrios' (strongs, g2962), which means…
1) he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
a) the possessor and disposer of a thing
1) the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
2) in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
b) is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master
c) “THIS TITLE IS GIVEN TO: GOD, THE MESSIAH”
It is found in the AV translated..
Lord 667 times, lord 54, master 11, sir 6, Sir 6, misc 4
It is almost always speaking of Jesus.
For your information, the Hebrew Tetragrammaton “YHWH” is translated in the Septuagint as “kyrios”.
Is Mohammad your Lord?
Blessings WJ
Would you please stop misquoting the scriptures?When quoting a scripture you should put the entire verse there and not edit it for effect.
bodhitharta said:
Quote He is not God or The Lord. He is the anointed of the Lord. bd,
You are still contradicting yourself. You have not explained your way out of your inconsistency. You accuse us trinitarians of serving more than one Lord. You said,Quote You serve 3 masters…You don't worship The Father who Jesus says is the Only True God and if you do worship all three then you have convicted yourself by your own words because you have 3 Masters. Then you said,
Quote 'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'” In the same breath you said,
Quote So as you can see Jesus said “Fear God and obey him(Jesus) because he is sent from God In the next post you said,
Quote He is not God or The Lord. He [Jesus] is the anointed of the Lord. Add this all up and it means you serve three Lords, The Father, Allah and Jesus. And you have the nerve to accuse trinitarians for serving “three Lords?” We know that Jesus is the least of your lords. But which “ord” is the highest? Is it the Father or is it Allah?
The apostle James said that he was the freeservant of God AND of Jesus Christ.
Quote James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ (James 1:1) He indicated no rank or hierarchy. In fact, the Revelation says that Jesus is the highest for He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
bd,
It has been shown that you have serve three lords yourself. So take the beam out of your eye.thinker
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 09 2009,19:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 09 2009,18:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 08 2009,23:46) Quote (thethinker @ July 09 2009,05:49) bodhitharta said: Quote So as you can see Jesus said “Fear God and obey him(Jesus) because he is sent from God and speaking and acting on His behalf not that he is God in any way. bd,
Make up your mind. You found fault with trinitarians for serving more than one Lord. Now you approve of serving more than one Lord. Which is it? You say that Jesus is not God in any way. But He is Lord. Right? thinker
He is not God or The Lord. He is the anointed of the Lord.
Hi BDSo then you will not confess him as “Lord” to the glory of God the Father”
…and every tongue confess that “Jesus Christ is Lord“, to the glory of God the Father. Phil 2:11
The Greek word for “Lord” is 'kyrios' (strongs, g2962), which means…
1) he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord
a) the possessor and disposer of a thing
1) the owner; one who has control of the person, the master
2) in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor
b) is a title of honour expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master
c) “THIS TITLE IS GIVEN TO: GOD, THE MESSIAH”
It is found in the AV translated..
Lord 667 times, lord 54, master 11, sir 6, Sir 6, misc 4
It is almost always speaking of Jesus.
For your information, the Hebrew Tetragrammaton “YHWH” is translated in the Septuagint as “kyrios”.
Is Mohammad your Lord?
Blessings WJ
Would you please stop misquoting the scriptures?When quoting a scripture you should put the entire verse there and not edit it for effect.
WJ,
You offer bd compelling evidence from Scripture and all he can say is that you misquote it without showing you in what way you did. He clearly dodged your points.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 09 2009,19:37) bodhitharta said: Quote He is not God or The Lord. He is the anointed of the Lord. bd,
You are still contradicting yourself. You have not explained your way out of your inconsistency. You accuse us trinitarians of serving more than one Lord. You said,Quote You serve 3 masters…You don't worship The Father who Jesus says is the Only True God and if you do worship all three then you have convicted yourself by your own words because you have 3 Masters. Then you said,
Quote 'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'” In the same breath you said,
Quote So as you can see Jesus said “Fear God and obey him(Jesus) because he is sent from God In the next post you said,
Quote He is not God or The Lord. He [Jesus] is the anointed of the Lord. Add this all up and it means you serve three Lords, The Father, Allah and Jesus. And you have the nerve to accuse trinitarians for serving “three Lords?” We know that Jesus is the least of your lords. But which “ord” is the highest? Is it the Father or is it Allah?
The apostle James said that he was the freeservant of God AND of Jesus Christ.
Quote James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ (James 1:1) He indicated no rank or hierarchy. In fact, the Revelation says that Jesus is the highest for He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
bd,
It has been shown that you have serve three lords yourself. So take the beam out of your eye.thinker
The reason trinitarians do not know the scriptures, is a simple one. They are so focussed on their doctrines and creeds they do not think to take notes on the multiple posts that give information to the contrary.The latest mantra, “There is only one Lord” seems to hang them up on believing there is only one Lord. What they fail to uderstand is, there is more than one way “Lord” can be understood to mean one Lord OF the universe, without being understood to mean “only Lord IN the universe.”.
There is “Lord OF the universe” of which there is only one, God himself takes that honor; “There is a Lord over a region or area, typical of kingdoms over which a king reigns as Soverign Lord,” appointed among men by God; and there is a Lord appointed by God over the living and the dead, which is Christ Jesus, raised from the dead and made both Lord and Christ.
Isaiah said it best: “O LORD our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.” [Isa 26:13]
Isaiah would not have put voice to such if there is only one way “Lord” can be applied to sovereign leaders.
Paladin said:
Quote The reason trinitarians do not know the scriptures, is a simple one. They are so focussed on their doctrines and creeds they do not think to take notes on the multiple posts that give information to the contrary. The latest mantra, “There is only one Lord” seems to hang them up on believing there is only one Lord. What they fail to uderstand is, there is more than one way “Lord” can be understood to mean one Lord OF the universe, without being understood to mean “only Lord IN the universe.”.
There is “Lord OF the universe” of which there is only one, God himself takes that honor; “There is a Lord over a region or area, typical of kingdoms over which a king reigns as Soverign Lord,” appointed among men by God; and there is a Lord appointed by God over the living and the dead, which is Christ Jesus, raised from the dead and made both Lord and Christ.
Isaiah said it best: “O LORD our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.” [Isa 26:13]
Isaiah would not have put voice to such if there is only one way “Lord” can be applied to sovereign leaders.
Jesus is the King of kings and Lord of lords. True or false?
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 09 2009,10:21) Paladin said: Quote The reason trinitarians do not know the scriptures, is a simple one. They are so focussed on their doctrines and creeds they do not think to take notes on the multiple posts that give information to the contrary. The latest mantra, “There is only one Lord” seems to hang them up on believing there is only one Lord. What they fail to uderstand is, there is more than one way “Lord” can be understood to mean one Lord OF the universe, without being understood to mean “only Lord IN the universe.”.
There is “Lord OF the universe” of which there is only one, God himself takes that honor; “There is a Lord over a region or area, typical of kingdoms over which a king reigns as Soverign Lord,” appointed among men by God; and there is a Lord appointed by God over the living and the dead, which is Christ Jesus, raised from the dead and made both Lord and Christ.
Isaiah said it best: “O LORD our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.” [Isa 26:13]
Isaiah would not have put voice to such if there is only one way “Lord” can be applied to sovereign leaders.
Jesus is the King of kings and Lord of lords. True or false?
thinker
Hi JackExactly.
But notice how he bears false witness against the “Trinitarians”!
Quote (Paladin @ July 09 2009,05:04) The reason trinitarians do not know the scriptures, is a simple one. WJ
Quote (Paladin @ July 09 2009,05:04) thethinker,July wrote:bodhitharta said:
Quote He is not God or The Lord. He is the anointed of the Lord.
bd,
You are still contradicting yourself. You have not explained your way out of your inconsistency. You accuse us trinitarians of serving more than one Lord. You said,Quote You serve 3 masters…You don't worship The Father who Jesus says is the Only True God and if you do worship all three then you have convicted yourself by your own words because you have 3 Masters.
Then you said,Quote 'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'”
In the same breath you said,Quote So as you can see Jesus said “Fear God and obey him(Jesus) because he is sent from God
In the next post you said,Quote He is not God or The Lord. He [Jesus] is the anointed of the Lord.
Add this all up and it means you serve three Lords, The Father, Allah and Jesus. And you have the nerve to accuse trinitarians for serving “three Lords?” We know that Jesus is the least of your lords. But which “ord” is the highest? Is it the Father or is it Allah?The apostle James said that he was the freeservant of God AND of Jesus Christ.
Quote James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ (James 1:1)
He indicated no rank or hierarchy. In fact, the Revelation says that Jesus is the highest for He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.bd,
It has been shown that you have serve three lords yourself. So take the beam out of your eye.thinker
Quote
The reason trinitarians do not know the scriptures, is a simple one. They are so focussed on their doctrines and creeds they do not think to take notes on the multiple posts that give information to the contrary.The latest mantra, “There is only one Lord” seems to hang them up on believing there is only one Lord. What they fail to uderstand is, there is more than one way “Lord” can be understood to mean one Lord OF the universe, without being understood to mean “only Lord IN the universe.”.
There is “Lord OF the universe” of which there is only one, God himself takes that honor; “There is a Lord over a region or area, typical of kingdoms over which a king reigns as Soverign Lord,” appointed among men by God; and there is a Lord appointed by God over the living and the dead, which is Christ Jesus, raised from the dead and made both Lord and Christ.
Isaiah said it best: “O LORD our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.” [Isa 26:13]
Isaiah would not have put voice to such if there is only one way “Lord” can be applied to sovereign leaders.
Seriously PD,Do you know how to open your mouth without patronizing?
Does that give you a feeling of power or superiority?
What gives?
Can you just be civil in your response without condescending and patronizing?
Quote (Paladin @ July 09 2009,05:04) The reason trinitarians do not know the scriptures, is a simple one.
If you believe this then you must be able to see in the hearts and minds of all Trinitarians and that would make you God!Wasn’t it you that wrote the following, emphasis mine…?
Quote (Paladin @ July 08 2009,09:58) 39. “We are “Preconditioned” to believe about 90% of our prevalent doctrines“. Arguments by theologians and commentators abound, taking almost every point of view about almost every conceivable doctrine. “Most of us defend the doctrine handed down by our parents. Because we are “Preconditioned” by affection, by tradition, by disposition, by training, by every trait of man“. I notice you used the pronouns “We” and “Us”, yet it seems that this doesn’t apply to you for you not only believe that “Trinitarians do not know the scriptures”, but that you believe you know more than the scholars like AT Robertson.
Is it possible that you also are “Preconditioned” to believe what you believe?
Can you prove that those who have a Trinitarian view do not know God?
You can't even prove that the scriptures do not call Jesus God? The Trinitarian is merely taking all the scriptural data as it reads and believing it.
You also wrote…
Quote (Paladin @ July 08 2009,09:58) 51. Just as we depend totally upon the mercy of God, “so we must be ready to extend mercy to those over whom we perceive a “victory.” It is not our place to declare such “victory,” as the victory was Jesus Christ's in the beginning, and only ours as we carry the fight into the arena. “Our ego must not prevail, for if we perceive a victory, “we have met the enemy, and he is us.”
How do you expect others to take you seriously if you do not practice what you preach?WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 10 2009,02:56) Quote (thethinker @ July 09 2009,10:21) Paladin said: Quote The reason trinitarians do not know the scriptures, is a simple one. They are so focussed on their doctrines and creeds they do not think to take notes on the multiple posts that give information to the contrary. The latest mantra, “There is only one Lord” seems to hang them up on believing there is only one Lord. What they fail to uderstand is, there is more than one way “Lord” can be understood to mean one Lord OF the universe, without being understood to mean “only Lord IN the universe.”.
There is “Lord OF the universe” of which there is only one, God himself takes that honor; “There is a Lord over a region or area, typical of kingdoms over which a king reigns as Soverign Lord,” appointed among men by God; and there is a Lord appointed by God over the living and the dead, which is Christ Jesus, raised from the dead and made both Lord and Christ.
Isaiah said it best: “O LORD our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.” [Isa 26:13]
Isaiah would not have put voice to such if there is only one way “Lord” can be applied to sovereign leaders.
Jesus is the King of kings and Lord of lords. True or false?
thinker
Hi JackExactly.
But notice how he bears false witness against the “Trinitarians”!
Quote (Paladin @ July 09 2009,05:04) The reason trinitarians do not know the scriptures, is a simple one. WJ
WJ,
If Paladin keeps this up I will begin to think I am being persecuted for Christ. In that event I would become more bold.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 09 2009,19:37) bodhitharta said: Quote He is not God or The Lord. He is the anointed of the Lord. bd,
You are still contradicting yourself. You have not explained your way out of your inconsistency. You accuse us trinitarians of serving more than one Lord. You said,Quote You serve 3 masters…You don't worship The Father who Jesus says is the Only True God and if you do worship all three then you have convicted yourself by your own words because you have 3 Masters. Then you said,
Quote 'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'” In the same breath you said,
Quote So as you can see Jesus said “Fear God and obey him(Jesus) because he is sent from God In the next post you said,
Quote He is not God or The Lord. He [Jesus] is the anointed of the Lord. Add this all up and it means you serve three Lords, The Father, Allah and Jesus. And you have the nerve to accuse trinitarians for serving “three Lords?” We know that Jesus is the least of your lords. But which “ord” is the highest? Is it the Father or is it Allah?
The apostle James said that he was the freeservant of God AND of Jesus Christ.
Quote James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ (James 1:1) He indicated no rank or hierarchy. In fact, the Revelation says that Jesus is the highest for He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
bd,
It has been shown that you have serve three lords yourself. So take the beam out of your eye.thinker
Thinker,The Father is ALLAH/Yahweh/Jehovah/Rabb/Abba
The Creator, Almighty God, God Most High in fact the most beautiful names belong to God.
In Judaism they have 99 names for God and Islam they also have 99 names for God
Just so you understand
The noun God is the proper English name used for the deity of monotheistic faiths. Different names for God exist within different religious traditions:
Allah is the unique name of God used in Islam, and also by most non-Muslim Arabs. ilah, cognate to northwest Semitic El, is the generic word for a God (any deity), Allah contains the article, literally “The God”. Also, when speaking in English, Muslims often translate “Allah” as “God”. most Islamic tradition states that Allah has 99 names (Note that the names are largely descriptions of the qualities the Allah is absolute in i.e. The Merciful, The Benevolent etc…).
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,07:28) Hi BD,
So you say and it bolsters your idea that your teachings are from God?
Naah.
You mean different languages don't matter to you everyone must use the german “God” and the latin “Jesus” usages?Hi BD,
Everyone brings their favourite poetry but only the Scriptures are of God.
Your words are not of sacred scriptureQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 10 2009,11:59) Hi BD,
Everyone brings their favourite poetry but only the Scriptures are of God.
Your words are not of sacred scripture
What makes something legitimate scripture?Actually to be totally serious I am starting to wonder, are you being a racist? Abraham had two sons and you seem to think that scriptures would not be delivered to Arabs whom Ishmael is the ascendant of.
God is not a respector of persons.
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