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Hi Shimmer,
You say you don’t know who we are or how many of us there are. Victor and I have posted on this forum, but we certainly are not alone:
Hebrews 12:22-24 MKJV
(22) But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(23) to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are written in Heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(24) and to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.You also disagree that Ed has never known the Lord Jesus Christ. Let’s put it this way: His present ways and actions demonstrate that he is in total darkness. You said it well yourself: He listens to no one, including the Scriptures.
Now, the children of Light hear the Word of God and the testimony of His saints. They don’t walk in darkness, but if they do sin or are in error, they will hear and receive correction. Not so with Ed. With him there is no receptivity except to his pet doctrine. There is no recognition whatsoever that the Light even exists.
What is your explanation for this? Do you believe he was enlightened by the Spirit of God and Light of all men, Jesus Christ, but has since fallen away?
We don’t see that. We see a man who only has an intellectual and carnal faith, because he has never been born from above or escaped the pollutions of this world. As bad as his present condition is (and it is bad, taking the Name of Christ in vain), it would be even worse had Ed once known the Lord, as Peter describes:
2 Peter 2:20-22 MKJV
(20) For if they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the full knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and are again entangled, they have been overcome by these, their last things are worse than the first.
(21) For it would have been better for them not to have fully known the way of righteousness, than fully knowing it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
(22) But the word of the true proverb has happened to them: The dog turning to his own vomit; and, The washed sow to wallowing in the mire.The Lord, by Whom we have been born again and have been given eyes to see, certainly didn’t refrain from publicly indentifying the religious imposters of His day and unequivocally declaring their origin. The words He spoke to them are no less applicable when spoken today by His children, regarding those such as Ed and Bod:
John 8:42-45 MKJV
(42) Jesus said to them, If God were your father, you would love Me, for I went forth and came from God; for I did not come of Myself, but He sent Me.
(43) Why do you not know My speech? Because you cannot hear My Word.
(44) You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
(45) And because I tell you the truth, you do not believe Me.As members of His Body, Shimmer, we have the same abilities as our Head. He is doing the works in us, no different from when the Father did the works in Him. Jesus Christ is the Mediator between God and man, Who makes the life of God possible and real in us. It is imperative that you know what this means in practical terms, or you are falling short of His salvation. Denying His Presence and reality, you take the antiChrist position, which is denying His coming in the flesh – in us, in man.
Judging by what you have posted here, you are the only one who is seeing anything at all, but you need to keep going. Otherwise you will fall short of entering into the life Jesus Christ comes to give to all of those who love His appearing.
You aren’t interpreting Peter properly concerning the coming of the Lord. He was calling those who questioned it “scoffers,” not those who proclaimed it:
“First, knowing this, that there will come in the last days scoffers walking according to their own lusts and saying, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation” (2 Peter 3:3-4 MKJV).
The Lord is, was, and is to come. He comes now, Shimmer, to judge the world, beginning with the counterfeit and presumptuous ones, against whom we speak at The Path of Truth. This brings us back to who we are and how many there are of us:
Jude 1:14-15 EMTV
(14) Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
(15) to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly among them about all their ungodly deeds which they have committed impiously, and about all the harsh words which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”Paul Cohen
Chat Transcript
Visitor: John
Operator: Victor
Company: thepathoftruth
Started: 28 Nov 2010 20:17:40
Finished: 28 Nov 2010 20:36:05Call accepted by operator Victor. Currently in room: John, Victor.
Victor:
Hi JohnJohn:
John why has no one been in the meeting room for days. I was worried about you guys.Victor:
Don't worryJohn:
Anyway, I was thinking that I should understand more about Christ in the physicalJohn:
Should I be able to perform miracles?John:
Hello?Victor:
http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/jesusisgod/glorioustruth.htmJohn:
I have read thatJohn:
Are you Christ in the Physical that is what I got from the teachingsVictor:
Let me first ask whom we are dealing withJohn:
OkayJohn:
I am someone who knows of RaziaVictor:
Do you believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?John:
NO, I believe God is Lord and Saviour as Razia doesVictor:
By the way, I am being called now so will have to go; we will have to continue this another time.Victor:
Razia doesn't believe
John:
Can you put someone else on-line to help me?Victor:
Not at the moment
John:
How long will you be with your call? This is important sirVictor:
We have important matters here all the timeJohn:
I understand but don't you have others that can help?John:
If not maybe I can helpVictor:
Victor:
Not at the momentJohn:
Why does your chat line say that itis open and availible to people are you being a hypocrite?
Victor:
http://www.thepathoftruth.com/issuesoflife/howjesuschristconnectsustogod.htm
Victor:
We are open as granted of God to those whom He permits
Victor:
I have given you another link now
Victor:
And I must goJohn:
Victor, You are a scared loser and no warrior of God at all, You have been ducking me because you know the truth about me. This is Bodhitharta and there is no escape, you have tried to lie, cheat and do whatever needed to avoid me. Don't be a LOSER respect those above you in AuthorityVictor:
Victor: I must go
Victor:
you will be hearing from usJohn:
Of Course but this has been recorded
Victor:
Check Heavennet for our reply to Shimmer
Victor:
And God will deal with you, Satan, soon enough.
Victor:
Post this…our pleasure.Victor has left the conversation. Currently in room: John.
John:
I won't be hearing anything from those who are not Soldiers for the lord but a bunch of scared posers who hide and lie saying no operators are available—————————- Original Message —————————-
Subject: Why do you threaten death to everyone who disagrees?
From: “Asana Bodhitharta”
Date: Sat, November 27, 2010 9:38 pm
To: [email protected]
————————————————————————–Every story I read on your site ends with you warning someone of doom and
you even record some things that have occured to others as to say what you
said came to pass, but heck you yourselves just got swindled out of lumber
should someone else suggest that as righteous judgement upon you? I
certainly have not finished with both Victor and Paul(Victor mainly
because he is the authority of the others) I have told you several times
that you should listen and hear me as I have been sent to you to rectify
where you are going wrong but If you keep making these prophecies against
others how will you explain your complete lack of authority concerning me?
The only explanation and hear the Spirit speak:When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not,
nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but
the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of
him.
Deuteronomy 18:21-22Quote (PaulCohen @ Nov. 29 2010,13:18) —————————- Original Message —————————-
Subject: Why do you threaten death to everyone who disagrees?
From: “Asana Bodhitharta”
Date: Sat, November 27, 2010 9:38 pm
To: [email protected]
————————————————————————–Every story I read on your site ends with you warning someone of doom and
you even record some things that have occured to others as to say what you
said came to pass, but heck you yourselves just got swindled out of lumber
should someone else suggest that as righteous judgement upon you? I
certainly have not finished with both Victor and Paul(Victor mainly
because he is the authority of the others) I have told you several times
that you should listen and hear me as I have been sent to you to rectify
where you are going wrong but If you keep making these prophecies against
others how will you explain your complete lack of authority concerning me?
The only explanation and hear the Spirit speak:When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not,
nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but
the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of
him.
Deuteronomy 18:21-22
Yes, all your warnings have been foolish and empty against someone whom you have shown nothing but shirk of your duty towards you have no desire to excel in truth. You take comfort with stagnation although I do believe Victor does know that there is more to learn. He was right to Bless me and so I bless him as well and even moreso to learn.Quote (PaulCohen @ Nov. 29 2010,13:20) Hi Shimmer, You say you don’t know who we are or how many of us there are. Victor and I have posted on this forum, but we certainly are not alone:
Hebrews 12:22-24 MKJV
(22) But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(23) to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are written in Heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(24) and to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.You also disagree that Ed has never known the Lord Jesus Christ. Let’s put it this way: His present ways and actions demonstrate that he is in total darkness. You said it well yourself: He listens to no one, including the Scriptures.
Now, the children of Light hear the Word of God and the testimony of His saints. They don’t walk in darkness, but if they do sin or are in error, they will hear and receive correction. Not so with Ed. With him there is no receptivity except to his pet doctrine. There is no recognition whatsoever that the Light even exists.
What is your explanation for this? Do you believe he was enlightened by the Spirit of God and Light of all men, Jesus Christ, but has since fallen away?
We don’t see that. We see a man who only has an intellectual and carnal faith, because he has never been born from above or escaped the pollutions of this world. As bad as his present condition is (and it is bad, taking the Name of Christ in vain), it would be even worse had Ed once known the Lord, as Peter describes:
2 Peter 2:20-22 MKJV
(20) For if they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the full knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and are again entangled, they have been overcome by these, their last things are worse than the first.
(21) For it would have been better for them not to have fully known the way of righteousness, than fully knowing it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
(22) But the word of the true proverb has happened to them: The dog turning to his own vomit; and, The washed sow to wallowing in the mire.The Lord, by Whom we have been born again and have been given eyes to see, certainly didn’t refrain from publicly indentifying the religious imposters of His day and unequivocally declaring their origin. The words He spoke to them are no less applicable when spoken today by His children, regarding those such as Ed and Bod:
John 8:42-45 MKJV
(42) Jesus said to them, If God were your father, you would love Me, for I went forth and came from God; for I did not come of Myself, but He sent Me.
(43) Why do you not know My speech? Because you cannot hear My Word.
(44) You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.
(45) And because I tell you the truth, you do not believe Me.As members of His Body, Shimmer, we have the same abilities as our Head. He is doing the works in us, no different from when the Father did the works in Him. Jesus Christ is the Mediator between God and man, Who makes the life of God possible and real in us. It is imperative that you know what this means in practical terms, or you are falling short of His salvation. Denying His Presence and reality, you take the antiChrist position, which is denying His coming in the flesh – in us, in man.
Judging by what you have posted here, you are the only one who is seeing anything at all, but you need to keep going. Otherwise you will fall short of entering into the life Jesus Christ comes to give to all of those who love His appearing.
You aren’t interpreting Peter properly concerning the coming of the Lord. He was calling those who questioned it “scoffers,” not those who proclaimed it:
“First, knowing this, that there will come in the last days scoffers walking according to their own lusts and saying, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation” (2 Peter 3:3-4 MKJV).
The Lord is, was, and is to come. He comes now, Shimmer, to judge the world, beginning with the counterfeit and presumptuous ones, against whom we speak at The Path of Truth. This brings us back to who we are and how many there are of us:
Jude 1:14-15 EMTV
(14) Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
(15) to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly among them about all their ungodly deeds which they have committed impiously, and about all the harsh words which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”Paul Cohen
Hi Paul, thankyou for your reply.I understand what you are saying.
Yes, I do believe God works with people and does bring them into the light, teaching them, guiding them, helping them, strengthening them, and things can happen, amazing 'power' to be able to help others, and even more. And to feel love. I have felt this for years now, it comes and goes as I come and go or as I choose to make myself closer or further from God. but always whenever I return to God and trust in him then he is there again with me.
So you believe Ed has never known the light of Christ. OK.
Putting trust in a number system, and in the self, rather than in God. OK.
I will have another look at your site later. Thanks.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2010,11:47) 5 Minutes later Pathoftruth.com went offline again
Is it up now?Please do give us half-hourly updates on the status of chat rooms on other websites. I'm sure we all find it fascinating.
Stuart
bod….
im sorry lol seem you got caught “John”.
got caught red handed.I guess they knew it was you………..
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 30 2010,12:34) bod….
im sorry lol seem you got caught “John”.
got caught red handed.I guess they knew it was you………..
I went undercover and they responded until I told them it was me and then it was like “I'm Busy” Lol…lolI guess they are not going to finish our debate. In a personal note I do believe that they are being sincere about what they believe now they just need to have the faith to believe in something they didn't know.
I sent one of the People I talk to about God and this is what happened:
Chat Transcript
Visitor: Payzarr
Operator: Victor
Company: thepathoftruth
Started: 29 Nov 2010 23:01:52
Finished: 29 Nov 2010 23:17:04Call accepted by operator Victor. Currently in room: Payzarr, Victor.
Payzarr:
Hi I was referred here by Bodhitharta to talk to you guys. He has put up a link to you guys
Victor:
Good
Payzarr:
He thinks that maybe someone different than him can communicate with you guys about your point of view
Payzarr:
He is pretty deep so when he talks to us sometimes it takes a while to get it
Payzarr:
But he explained that you all there refer to Jesus as God but really you are only talking about the Spirit in Jesus as being God, am I right so far?
Victor:
Read all we say on our site. All your answers will be there.
Payzarr:
I'm just going by what he told us so if I am right so far I am just saying what do you feel about the 7 spirits of God, is there something on your site about that?
Payzarr:
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Revelation 4:4-6
Victor:
All you need to know of what we teach is at our site
Victor:
Ready and available
Victor:
Go for it
Payzarr:
Can you give me the link about the 7 spirits of God? that would be great!
Victor:
You need much more than that
Victor:
Such a topic will not help you at all
Payzarr:
What do you mean? Is there nothing to that?
Victor:
There's plenty to it, but not for you
Payzarr:
Did Jesus have all seven spirits or what? Why not for me am I not ready for that right now?
Victor:
Start with the basics; feel free to browse, earn and learn.
Victor:
With that direction, I leave you to do as I recommend.
Payzarr:
Well, anyway I need some advice do you offer that ?
Payzarr:
Is there a reason you offer a chat room? I don't see the point if you just direct people to read the site is this more the donation side for people with money?
Victor:
Is this the advice you are asking for?
Payzarr:
What do you mean? Do you offer advice and if so can I ask you questions or is that only for people with money or something because I'm not sure why you have a chat room since you are turning me away from chatting
Payzarr:
Bodhitharta told me if I wanted to get another perspective besides the one he has given to go here, was that a Joke or something he was plaing on me?
Victor:
We don't deal in that sort of advice and you aren't looking for the good kind we give. With that, I leave you to your “quandary.”Victor has left the conversation. Currently in room: Payzarr.
Payzarr:
Probably more people will be coming here too, so if it's a joke please tell me so I can tell the others not to botherVisitor Details First Name: Payzarr
Full Name: Payzarr thomas
E-mail Address: [email protected]
M / F: M
Age: 49
Describe Your Spiritual Condition or Position: Under Grace
What Is Your Purpose Here?: Was referred by Asana
IP Address: 67.185.110.51
Host Name: c-67-185-110-51.hsd1.wa.comcast.net
Referrer: Unknown
Browser/OS: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; Trident/5.0)
Location: Tacoma, Washington, United StatesHi BD,
You don't think Paul will be Posting any more here?
YHVH bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2010,04:38) Hi BD, You don't think Paul will be Posting any more here?
YHVH bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I don't think so but even if he does it won't matter, some people are simply stuck and have invested too much time in what they believe to learn anything new because they are not willing. Just like you with theomatics, that's your thing now so letting it go is out of the question but what's disturbing is not so much someone really believing one thing it's how people like yourself feel like they must do anything to condemn things they never even honestly studied.For instance they believe that Jesus is God so much that they are willing to say things like “God died”, “God became a curse for us”…etc and people like you will say all sorts of things like Jesus already returned and returns all the time and you won't take the time to even understand what the Passover was about it was only about the firstborn NOT being taken by the angel of death but you guys don't listen but some believers do listen and slowly learn different things it is for those people I post.
Well, as I said T8 could you please lock this thread the debate is over and the people at the “Pathoftruth.com has removed their Chat section off their site it's odd they said that I would be vanquished and now the Chat room is Gone, but God bless them because they are lovers of God and this most likely is a great moment where they have learned some important things.
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2010,08:12) Hi BD, What do you think they learned?
YHVH bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Only God knows that, But I pray that they have asked Jesus to introduce them to his GOD which is THE GOD of ALL.I have been at another forum who simply insists that Jesus does not worship God because “he is God” although Jesus tells us in the scripture that he has a God he worships which is the God of ALL of us.
(Hallowed be thy name) Bless you!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2010,08:21) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2010,08:12) Hi BD, What do you think they learned?
YHVH bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Only God knows that, But I pray that they have asked Jesus to introduce them to his GOD which is THE GOD of ALL.I have been at another forum who simply insists that Jesus does not worship God because “he is God” although Jesus tells us in the scripture that he has a God he worships which is the God of ALL of us.
(Hallowed be thy name) Bless you!
Greetings B…. The same Jesus said that” if you have seen me you have seen the father”…..There are numerous quotes throughout the ministry of Jesus where he defers to the eternal…You did touch on a very topical event though, and that is the passover…If Jesus' sacrafice was an emulation of the sacrafice offered using an unblemished lamb for the forgiveness of signs than his resurection would be the victory over death and the sum total of the holy days that constitute passover….What do you think?Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 02 2010,09:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2010,08:21) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2010,08:12) Hi BD, What do you think they learned?
YHVH bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Only God knows that, But I pray that they have asked Jesus to introduce them to his GOD which is THE GOD of ALL.I have been at another forum who simply insists that Jesus does not worship God because “he is God” although Jesus tells us in the scripture that he has a God he worships which is the God of ALL of us.
(Hallowed be thy name) Bless you!
Greetings B…. The same Jesus said that” if you have seen me you have seen the father”…..There are numerous quotes throughout the ministry of Jesus where he defers to the eternal…You did touch on a very topical event though, and that is the passover…If Jesus' sacrafice was an emulation of the sacrafice offered using an unblemished lamb for the forgiveness of signs than his resurection would be the victory over death and the sum total of the holy days that constitute passover….What do you think?
I'm not really sure what you mean, first we have to clarify whether you believe that Jesus is God or not, because everything else we speak about will hinge on that topic first.Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2010,10:29) Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 02 2010,09:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 02 2010,08:21) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2010,08:12) Hi BD, What do you think they learned?
YHVH bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Only God knows that, But I pray that they have asked Jesus to introduce them to his GOD which is THE GOD of ALL.I have been at another forum who simply insists that Jesus does not worship God because “he is God” although Jesus tells us in the scripture that he has a God he worships which is the God of ALL of us.
(Hallowed be thy name) Bless you!
Greetings B…. The same Jesus said that” if you have seen me you have seen the father”…..There are numerous quotes throughout the ministry of Jesus where he defers to the eternal…You did touch on a very topical event though, and that is the passover…If Jesus' sacrafice was an emulation of the sacrafice offered using an unblemished lamb for the forgiveness of signs than his resurection would be the victory over death and the sum total of the holy days that constitute passover….What do you think?
I'm not really sure what you mean, first we have to clarify whether you believe that Jesus is God or not, because everything else we speak about will hinge on that topic first.
Greetings B….Jesus is seated at the right hand of God and will come to judge the living and the dead at the end of this age….He is an intricate componant of the God head and is the appointed King of Kings and Lord of Lords….I would say that these declarations are of the eternal and that would make him God by virtue of the father…..Gods reasoning and ways are much higher than ours and given the here and now I will rest on my faith and say he is God..
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