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NO WE CANT BE, Ed, Victor and Paul, the day of the Lord HAS NOT COME YET, you are scoffers, according to Peter.
Show me if i'm wrong.
You are all wrong.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,12:42) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2010,11:43) OK bod. Thanks.
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Thanks. God Bless You!
Greetings B ….. There has been so much posting on both sides of this debate which involved lengthy written material that frankly it is very boring and clouds the essense of the original question which was brought to fore….As a curious on looker I view both yourself and Ed as being well versed in each of your respective sources of truth that being the Koran and the Bible….My assumptions are that each have studied one and a the others sources….Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2010,20:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,20:46) Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 27 2010,17:31) You can not possible believe that the Quran is Scripture, because the two do not agree 100% and to be Scripture they must agree 100%.
Welcome to the thread although the Quran is not the topic I will respond by saying if you are reading all scriptures in sequence they agree 100% but if you compare backwards then the new testament and the old testament don't agree at all does it?So the NT is revealing something and is explaining away parts of the OT isn't it? If not how would circumcision go from being an everlasting covenant in the “flesh” to being “symbolic”
Infact the NT is even divided and not 100% agreeable it goes from Jesus being sent only to the house of Israel(His words) and not to go to the gentiles(His words) To Paul developing an entire system for the gentiles.
So it is not only possible for the Quran to be scripture it would make complete sense especially when the Bible states in it's conclusion that it was not the final mystery or revelation to be known stating:
Revelation 10 1And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
8And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Bod, No, you have to understand the words. You see I read that part of Revelations out loud, and as I read I feel it, and I understand what it means, but I cant say.But Bod, the old Testement right, then is the New, ok. So the old is been and gone is how I think I see it. So untill the 'Day of the Lord' this kingdom news will be taken through the earth , as it has been. Thats what it means by “Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings”. And though it 'tastes sweet it is bitter, and that is true.
But the Quran CANT be part of the Scripture. Because it's too different. To accept the Quran bod you know you have to say that half or more of the Bible is false. So you can ONLY pick ONE.
You haven't shown me how it is too different and Keep in mind to the Jews there is no such thing as the OLD TESTAMENT their Torah and books of the Prophets are seen in the same light and current tradition as you feel about the gospels.It really isn't different at all except where it reveals what happened with Jesus virtually everything else is the same and consistent with the Entire Bible.
I have studied both entirely and heavily and I have to say that knowing both made both clear and REAL. For instance there is no other book outside the bible that confirms the virgin birth of Christ. Why is that important? It's not in any of the letters of Paul it's not in the book of John so it was very refreshing to see what an important event it really was and what's more the Quran doesn't just speed through the matter but it talks about Mary in more detail and Mary's Mother in detail that's important to me.
Bod. If you think that the TeNaK and the Brit Chodesh do not agree then you have been following the doctrines of men and not the Messiah. They “completely agree!”
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2010,04:01) For instance there is no other book outside the bible that confirms the virgin birth of Christ. Why is that important? It's not in any of the letters of Paul it's not in the book of John so it was very refreshing to see what an important event it really was and what's more the Quran doesn't just speed through the matter but it talks about Mary in more detail and Mary's Mother in detail that's important to me.
There is no source outside the bible that confirms the EXISTENCE of Jesus. All extra-biblical references are hearsay reporting of christian claims.Stuart
Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 27 2010,23:06) Greetings B ….. There has been so much posting on both sides of this debate which involved lengthy written material that frankly it is very boring and clouds the essense of the original question which was brought to fore….As a curious on looker I view both yourself and Ed as being well versed in each of your respective sources of truth that being the Koran and the Bible….My assumptions are that each have studied one and a the others sources….
Well said.Stuart
Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 28 2010,05:27) Bod. If you think that the TeNaK and the Brit Chodesh do not agree then you have been following the doctrines of men and not the Messiah. They “completely agree!”
Hi Laural,Yes, the Old “Testament” completely agrees with the New “Testament”!
The top four reasons why the quran is a corrupt 'book of fraud'…
1) It denies the “Gospel” of Jesus Christ. (Galatians 1:8)
2) It denies both the Father and the Son. (1John 2:22)
3) It terminates the love of God's people. (1John 3:15)
3) It lambasts at YHVH's commandments. (1John 5:2-3)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Laurel @ Nov. 28 2010,05:27) Bod. If you think that the TeNaK and the Brit Chodesh do not agree then you have been following the doctrines of men and not the Messiah. They “completely agree!” (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Edit)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Hi Laural,Yes, the Old “Testament” completely agrees with the New “Testament”!
The top four reasons why the quran is a corrupt 'book of fraud'…
1) It denies the “Gospel” of Jesus Christ. (Galatians 1:8)
2) It denies both the Father and the Son. (1John 2:22)
3) It terminates the love of God's people. (1John 3:15)
4) It lambasts at YHVH's commandments. (1John 5:2-3)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (theodorej @ Nov. 27 2010,23:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,12:42) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2010,11:43) OK bod. Thanks.
Your welcome! you recently statedQuote Bod uses abusive tactics Could you please elaborate at this time?
Thanks. God Bless You!
Greetings B ….. There has been so much posting on both sides of this debate which involved lengthy written material that frankly it is very boring and clouds the essense of the original question which was brought to fore….As a curious on looker I view both yourself and Ed as being well versed in each of your respective sources of truth that being the Koran and the Bible….My assumptions are that each have studied one and a the others sources….
No, I have studied both ED has never read the Quran so he has to guess what he's saying. WE both already agree on some things like Jesus not being God but ED believes in a concept that I cannot believe in and that's “gods” I only believe in GODQuote (Laurel @ Nov. 28 2010,05:27) Bod. If you think that the TeNaK and the Brit Chodesh do not agree then you have been following the doctrines of men and not the Messiah. They “completely agree!”
How so?Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2010,07:23) Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 28 2010,05:27) Bod. If you think that the TeNaK and the Brit Chodesh do not agree then you have been following the doctrines of men and not the Messiah. They “completely agree!”
Hi Laural,Yes, the Old “Testament” completely agrees with the New “Testament”!
The top four reasons why the quran is a corrupt 'book of fraud'…
1) It denies the “Gospel” of Jesus Christ. (Galatians 1:8)
2) It denies both the Father and the Son. (1John 2:22)
3) It terminates the love of God's people. (1John 3:15)
3) It lambasts at YHVH's commandments. (1John 5:2-3)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
1. It confirms the Gospel Jesus preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven2. It Clarifies Creator and servant, God and Christ
3. It reinforces the love of God and all believers
4. It reinforces the commandments
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2010,09:24) Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 27 2010,23:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,12:42) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2010,11:43) OK bod. Thanks.
Your welcome! you recently statedQuote Bod uses abusive tactics Could you please elaborate at this time?
Thanks. God Bless You!
Greetings B ….. There has been so much posting on both sides of this debate which involved lengthy written material that frankly it is very boring and clouds the essense of the original question which was brought to fore….As a curious on looker I view both yourself and Ed as being well versed in each of your respective sources of truth that being the Koran and the Bible….My assumptions are that each have studied one and a the others sources….
No, I have studied both ED has never read the Quran so he has to guess what he's saying. WE both already agree on some things like Jesus not being God but ED believes in a concept that I cannot believe in and that's “gods” I only believe in GOD
Hi BD,I did read quite a bit of the unholy 'quran book'(=Book of fraud).
What concept of 'gods' are you now accusing me of believing in?Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2010,09:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2010,09:24) Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 27 2010,23:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,12:42) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2010,11:43) OK bod. Thanks.
Your welcome! you recently statedQuote Bod uses abusive tactics Could you please elaborate at this time?
Thanks. God Bless You!
Greetings B ….. There has been so much posting on both sides of this debate which involved lengthy written material that frankly it is very boring and clouds the essense of the original question which was brought to fore….As a curious on looker I view both yourself and Ed as being well versed in each of your respective sources of truth that being the Koran and the Bible….My assumptions are that each have studied one and a the others sources….
No, I have studied both ED has never read the Quran so he has to guess what he's saying. WE both already agree on some things like Jesus not being God but ED believes in a concept that I cannot believe in and that's “gods” I only believe in GOD
Hi BD,I did read quite a bit of the unholy 'quran book'(=Book of fraud).
What concept of 'gods' are you now accusing me of believing in?
If you believed in God you would not believe that ALLAH is not GOD. You accuse me of having a different God but there is no other God and I have made the other thread about YHVH ALLAH to allow anyone to actually compare the line of scripture and thought.Any honest person making taking the time to review such things will either have to Confess that YHVH ALLAH has done all this or they will have to default into rebellion.
Fodr instance you say you have read “quite a bit” well, you have not shown me any part of the Quran that is not acting in the same spirit of the Bible.
But you may not be able to perceive these things and that I can understand but when in doubt should you really mock and not really study?
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2010,09:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2010,09:24) Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 27 2010,23:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,12:42) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2010,11:43) OK bod. Thanks.
Your welcome! you recently statedQuote Bod uses abusive tactics Could you please elaborate at this time?
Thanks. God Bless You!
Greetings B ….. There has been so much posting on both sides of this debate which involved lengthy written material that frankly it is very boring and clouds the essense of the original question which was brought to fore….As a curious on looker I view both yourself and Ed as being well versed in each of your respective sources of truth that being the Koran and the Bible….My assumptions are that each have studied one and a the others sources….
No, I have studied both ED has never read the Quran so he has to guess what he's saying. WE both already agree on some things like Jesus not being God but ED believes in a concept that I cannot believe in and that's “gods” I only believe in GOD
Hi BD,I did read quite a bit of the unholy 'quran book'(=Book of fraud).
What concept of 'gods' are you now accusing me of believing in?
Hi BD,The quran believes in more than one God, while “The Bible” God is only one: YHVH!
“WITNESSING in behalf of YHVH”!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2010,10:46)
Fodr instance you say you have read “quite a bit” well, you have not shown me any part of the Quran that is not acting in the same spirit of the Bible.
Hi BD,My objective is to show you that
the unholy quran is both corrupt: ‘satan and book’!“WITNESSING in behalf of YHVH”!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2010,09:28) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2010,07:23)
1) It denies the “Gospel” of Jesus Christ. (Galatians 1:8)
1. It confirms the Gospel Jesus preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven
Hi BD,This debate thread is an exception, as I will address BD directly.
The top four reasons why the quran is a corrupt 'book of fraud'.The Old “Testament” completely agrees with the New “Testament”; but the quran doesn't!
Point #1: Evidence…
“WITNESSING in behalf of YHVH”!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2010,09:28) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2010,07:23)
2) It denies both the Father and the Son. (1John 2:22)
2. It Clarifies Creator and servant, God and Christ
Hi BD,The top four reasons why the quran is a corrupt 'book of fraud'…
The Old “Testament” completely agrees with the New “Testament”; but the quran doesn't!
Point # 2: Evidence
“WITNESSING in behalf of YHVH”!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2010,09:28) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2010,07:23)
3) It terminates the love of God's people. (1John 3:15)
3. It reinforces the love of God and all believers
Hi BD,The top four reasons why the quran is a corrupt 'book of fraud'…
The Old “Testament” completely agrees with the New “Testament”; but the quran doesn't!
Point # 3: Evidence
“WITNESSING in behalf of YHVH”!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2010,09:28) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 28 2010,07:23)
4) It lambasts at YHVH's commandments. (1John 5:2-3)
4. It reinforces the commandments
Hi BD,The top four reasons why the quran is a corrupt 'book of fraud'…
The Old “Testament” completely agrees with the New “Testament”; but the quran doesn't!
Point # 4: Evidence
“WITNESSING in behalf of YHVH”!
Ed yoou are viollating this thread I have set up another thread for this topic this threads main purpose was for the Path of truth . com you should be honorable and do what you agreed to and also if you are going to simply use other peoples videos you should at least make a personal comment with them just in case some can't view the video
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