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From: Paul Cohen
To: Ed J
Sent: Thu, November 25, 2010 4:45:49 PM
Subject: Manifest FollyHi Ed,
We very much favor your policy of public record of any disputes we have with you. Lord willing, many will have the opportunity to examine our differences. We hope you post our entire correspondence between you and us on Heavennet Forum and anywhere else you please or possibly can.
If we were to post anything of our discussion on The Path of Truth, we would, as usual, give all the pertinent correspondence from both sides, including your website for those who wanted to investigate more. You should know we do things this way, but you don't because you haven't bothered to investigate anything yourself. You refuse the Light that would illuminate your darkness.
You have never known the Lord. Your foolishness permeates everything you say and do. Let me give you some examples of foolish remarks from this letter you just sent us.
You object, “(Interruption by Ed J: Why is the word 'feedback' correct, but “opinion” wrong?)”
Our answer: Feedback can contain truth or error – fact or opinion. Opinion concerning the things of God is always without authority, and never to be trusted. See Opinion. Of course, we have sent you a few links, but you, being the consummate, self-centered fellow you are, have ignored all knowledge and godly feedback, as fools are in the habit of doing. You are interested only in promoting your ignorant knowledge. You’ve done all the learning you can.
To our statement, “If not, the code is in error, but not the Word of God.” you say, “(Interruption by Ed J: Seems you have a little double-talk going on here?)”
Double-talk? Your problem is that your reasoning is circular. By your code and your interpretation of it, you put into the Bible what is not there. You make yourself to be the authority when you prove to have none. We say the Word of God is true without your interpretations, while you say the Bible is true because of your interpretations. Your mentality is quite curious and astounding, to say the least.
To our statement, “We don’t doubt for a second there are layers of meaning in the Bible,” you reply, “(Interruption by Ed J: And here you have a yes/no going).”
That’s very true. It is “Yes” to the multiple layers of meaning to the Bible, and “No” to your foolish mathematical reasonings that go nowhere, as Asana Bodhitharta, and, we’re confident, others have tried pointing out to you, but to no avail. You stubbornly refuse to trash your silly gods.
Only a short while ago, you complained to us about Asana Bodhitharta, saying, “BD is very stubborn and deeply brainwashed by the quran. Jesus warned us that the prince of this world was coming(John14:30). And it is he(satan) who wrote 'the quran' through the false prophet: Mohammad (2Cor.11:14-15). That being said, I believe the both you have done very well to point out the error of BD's way.”
But as soon as we tried to kindly correct you and show you the error of YOUR way, you immediately switched favor and allegiance to Bodhitharta, saying, “I'm glad to see YHVH has put into your heart to engage Paul and Victor in a debate!”
So first Bodhitharta was the prince of this world (Satan) or led by him, being “brainwashed” by the “quran,” (Koran) “through the false prophet Mohammad,” and you were glad we were showing him the error of his way, but now Bodhitharta is with YHVH showing us our error? You are a foolish and devious glory seeker, Ed, in a nutshell. You have nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus Christ, except to bring confusion to men concerning Him.
Post this, Ed, as you will. We would be thankful for it.
Victor Hafichuk
Paul Cohen
http://www.ThePathofTruth.com.
Purpose of Post… Dissection of two e-mails containing negative opinionsPoint (A)
(A) (feedback response from first e-mail) Ed J: Why is the word 'feedback' correct, but “opinion” wrong?
Paul: Feedback can contain truth or error – fact or opinion. Opinion concerning the things of God
is always without authority, and never to be trusted. See Opinion. Of course, we have sent you a few links,
but you, being the consummate, self-centered fellow you are, have ignored all knowledge and godly feedback,
as fools are in the habit of doing. You are interested only in promoting your ignorant knowledge.
You’ve done all the learning you can.(New feedback response) …whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Matt.5:22)
Point (B)
(Bible Reference) Prob.25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
(Original comment) Ed: Prob.25:2 is for those who refuse to believe that “The Bible” is written on many different levels.(B) (feedback response from first e-mail) Ed J: Seems you have a little double-talk going on here?
(Evidence of feedback response) Paul: ‘If you knew the Lord and His ways,
you wouldn’t need a code to give you the meaning of the Scriptures.’(new feedback response) Ed: Numbers are corroborative evidence only; nothing more.
I have learned based on numbers: No “Theology”,
though satan might tell you all differently!(Commentary Response Reference) Paul: ‘the KJV in Acts calls the Passover “Easter,” which is a heathen festival
named after the goddess of sex and fertility, Ishtar (the abominable pagan queen of heaven mentioned by Jeremiah).
How does that work in your code? Does it reveal the blasphemy there?’
Paul: ‘If not, the code is in error, but not the Word of God’.Paul: ‘Regardless of whether the Bible is coded as you claim, however,
it does you no good if you don’t know the Lord and His ways, which we plainly see you don’t’.Paul: ‘We don’t doubt for a second there are layers of meaning in the Bible, marvelous in order’.
(B) (Reiterated feedback response) Ed J: Seems you have a little double-talk going on here?
(Rebuttal Point B) Paul: Your problem is that your reasoning is circular.
By your code and your interpretation of it, you put into the Bible what is not there.
You make yourself to be the authority when you prove to have none.
We say the Word of God is true without your interpretations,
(1)while you say the Bible is true because of your interpretations.
(2)Your mentality is quite curious and astounding, to say the least.(New feedback response) (1) Clearly you’re trying to put words in my mouth! …WORDS THAT I DIDN’T SAY!
(2) Why thank you. (Psalm 119:98-106)Point (C)
(C) (Third feedback response) Ed : And here you have a yes/no going
(Original comment) Ed: Prob.25:2 is for those who refuse to believe that “The Bible” is written on many different levels.
(Evidence of feedback response) Paul: ‘That’s very true. It is “Yes” to the multiple layers of meaning to the Bible,
and “No” to your foolish mathematical reasonings that go nowhere’(C) (Reiterated feedback response) Ed : And here you have a yes/no going
Point D
(D) (B) (New feedback response) Ed J: Seems you have another yes/no going here
(Interjection by Ed J) Ed : Was this NOT ‘your opinion’? (Daniel 11:18)
Paul: ‘The enemy isn’t always wrong or always an enemy’.(Evidence of another yes/no) Paul: ‘But as soon as we tried to kindly correct you and show you the error of YOUR way,
you immediately switched favor and allegiance to Bodhitharta, saying,
“I'm glad to see YHVH has put into your heart to engage Paul and Victor in a debate!” ’(New Feedback response) Ed: What is ‘wrong with’ BD engaging you in a debate? …Please explain?
Point E
(New feedback response) Ed: Clearly you are trying to put words in my mouth again?
Paul: ‘but now Bodhitharta is with YHVH showing us our error?’
(New feedback response) Ed: How have you drawn this ‘opinion’? Please explain?
Thank You, and looking forward to your next response!
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 27 2010,07:13) From: Paul Cohen
To: Ed J
Sent: Thu, November 25, 2010 4:45:49 PM
Subject: Manifest FollyHi Ed,
We very much favor your policy of public record of any disputes we have with you. Lord willing, many will have the opportunity to examine our differences. We hope you post our entire correspondence between you and us on Heavennet Forum and anywhere else you please or possibly can.
If we were to post anything of our discussion on The Path of Truth, we would, as usual, give all the pertinent correspondence from both sides, including your website for those who wanted to investigate more. You should know we do things this way, but you don't because you haven't bothered to investigate anything yourself. You refuse the Light that would illuminate your darkness.
You have never known the Lord. Your foolishness permeates everything you say and do. Let me give you some examples of foolish remarks from this letter you just sent us.
You object, “(Interruption by Ed J: Why is the word 'feedback' correct, but “opinion” wrong?)”
Our answer: Feedback can contain truth or error – fact or opinion. Opinion concerning the things of God is always without authority, and never to be trusted. See Opinion. Of course, we have sent you a few links, but you, being the consummate, self-centered fellow you are, have ignored all knowledge and godly feedback, as fools are in the habit of doing. You are interested only in promoting your ignorant knowledge. You’ve done all the learning you can.
To our statement, “If not, the code is in error, but not the Word of God.” you say, “(Interruption by Ed J: Seems you have a little double-talk going on here?)”
Double-talk? Your problem is that your reasoning is circular. By your code and your interpretation of it, you put into the Bible what is not there. You make yourself to be the authority when you prove to have none. We say the Word of God is true without your interpretations, while you say the Bible is true because of your interpretations. Your mentality is quite curious and astounding, to say the least.
To our statement, “We don’t doubt for a second there are layers of meaning in the Bible,” you reply, “(Interruption by Ed J: And here you have a yes/no going).”
That’s very true. It is “Yes” to the multiple layers of meaning to the Bible, and “No” to your foolish mathematical reasonings that go nowhere, as Asana Bodhitharta, and, we’re confident, others have tried pointing out to you, but to no avail. You stubbornly refuse to trash your silly gods.
Only a short while ago, you complained to us about Asana Bodhitharta, saying, “BD is very stubborn and deeply brainwashed by the quran. Jesus warned us that the prince of this world was coming(John14:30). And it is he(satan) who wrote 'the quran' through the false prophet: Mohammad (2Cor.11:14-15). That being said, I believe the both you have done very well to point out the error of BD's way.”
But as soon as we tried to kindly correct you and show you the error of YOUR way, you immediately switched favor and allegiance to Bodhitharta, saying, “I'm glad to see YHVH has put into your heart to engage Paul and Victor in a debate!”
So first Bodhitharta was the prince of this world (Satan) or led by him, being “brainwashed” by the “quran,” (Koran) “through the false prophet Mohammad,” and you were glad we were showing him the error of his way, but now Bodhitharta is with YHVH showing us our error? You are a foolish and devious glory seeker, Ed, in a nutshell. You have nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus Christ, except to bring confusion to men concerning Him.
Post this, Ed, as you will. We would be thankful for it.
Victor Hafichuk
Paul Cohen
http://www.ThePathofTruth.com
I have no idea who you are, how many of you there are, but I have to say, I agree with MOST of this.I disagree with what you say that Ed has never known the Lord, how would you know this ?
However they are both death and blind to anything anyone says including what scripture says.
It's why I say little to either now. Neither listens. Bod uses abusive tactics. Both are irrational in their thinking. Neither will change, because neither listens.
In my opinion.
Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2010,10:09) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 27 2010,07:13) From: Paul Cohen
To: Ed J
Sent: Thu, November 25, 2010 4:45:49 PM
Subject: Manifest FollyHi Ed,
We very much favor your policy of public record of any disputes we have with you. Lord willing, many will have the opportunity to examine our differences. We hope you post our entire correspondence between you and us on Heavennet Forum and anywhere else you please or possibly can.
If we were to post anything of our discussion on The Path of Truth, we would, as usual, give all the pertinent correspondence from both sides, including your website for those who wanted to investigate more. You should know we do things this way, but you don't because you haven't bothered to investigate anything yourself. You refuse the Light that would illuminate your darkness.
You have never known the Lord. Your foolishness permeates everything you say and do. Let me give you some examples of foolish remarks from this letter you just sent us.
You object, “(Interruption by Ed J: Why is the word 'feedback' correct, but “opinion” wrong?)”
Our answer: Feedback can contain truth or error – fact or opinion. Opinion concerning the things of God is always without authority, and never to be trusted. See Opinion. Of course, we have sent you a few links, but you, being the consummate, self-centered fellow you are, have ignored all knowledge and godly feedback, as fools are in the habit of doing. You are interested only in promoting your ignorant knowledge. You’ve done all the learning you can.
To our statement, “If not, the code is in error, but not the Word of God.” you say, “(Interruption by Ed J: Seems you have a little double-talk going on here?)”
Double-talk? Your problem is that your reasoning is circular. By your code and your interpretation of it, you put into the Bible what is not there. You make yourself to be the authority when you prove to have none. We say the Word of God is true without your interpretations, while you say the Bible is true because of your interpretations. Your mentality is quite curious and astounding, to say the least.
To our statement, “We don’t doubt for a second there are layers of meaning in the Bible,” you reply, “(Interruption by Ed J: And here you have a yes/no going).”
That’s very true. It is “Yes” to the multiple layers of meaning to the Bible, and “No” to your foolish mathematical reasonings that go nowhere, as Asana Bodhitharta, and, we’re confident, others have tried pointing out to you, but to no avail. You stubbornly refuse to trash your silly gods.
Only a short while ago, you complained to us about Asana Bodhitharta, saying, “BD is very stubborn and deeply brainwashed by the quran. Jesus warned us that the prince of this world was coming(John14:30). And it is he(satan) who wrote 'the quran' through the false prophet: Mohammad (2Cor.11:14-15). That being said, I believe the both you have done very well to point out the error of BD's way.”
But as soon as we tried to kindly correct you and show you the error of YOUR way, you immediately switched favor and allegiance to Bodhitharta, saying, “I'm glad to see YHVH has put into your heart to engage Paul and Victor in a debate!”
So first Bodhitharta was the prince of this world (Satan) or led by him, being “brainwashed” by the “quran,” (Koran) “through the false prophet Mohammad,” and you were glad we were showing him the error of his way, but now Bodhitharta is with YHVH showing us our error? You are a foolish and devious glory seeker, Ed, in a nutshell. You have nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus Christ, except to bring confusion to men concerning Him.
Post this, Ed, as you will. We would be thankful for it.
Victor Hafichuk
Paul Cohen
http://www.ThePathofTruth.com
I have no idea who you are, how many of you there are, but I have to say, I agree with MOST of this.I disagree with what you say that Ed has never known the Lord, how would you know this ?
However they are both death and blind to anything anyone says including what scripture says.
It's why I say little to either now. Neither listens. Bod uses abusive tactics. Both are irrational in their thinking. Neither will change, because neither listens.
In my opinion.
I welcome you to this debateQuote (Stu @ Nov. 27 2010,03:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2010,23:34) If you want to be on this debate thread, you will have to promise to discuss without any attacks that includes being derogatory to Islam or Muhammad.
Is this the same islam that darkly calls itself the religion of peace, inspired by the dictates of a Dark Age illiterate man who had sex with a nine year old girl and conquered the Arabian Peninsula by slaughtering people who he felt had oppressed him by objecting to his superstitious talk of angel voices in his head, and that even today inspires mindless zealots to blow up their fellow humans along with a cry of “god is great”?Or was it a different islam you had in mind?
Stuart
Stu,I will respectfully ask you to refrain from any derogotory language in this debate if you wish to participate but this debate is mainly focused on a debate between pathoftruth .com and me and others who agree with or disagree with one side or the other. agreeing with neither is not on the table of this particular debate so if you have “community morals” as you said were valuable then don't violate these rules which in your case means do not participate
Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2010,11:43) OK bod. Thanks.
Your welcome! you recently statedQuote Bod uses abusive tactics Could you please elaborate at this time?
Thanks. God Bless You!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,14:42) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2010,11:43) OK bod. Thanks.
Your welcome! you recently statedQuote Bod uses abusive tactics Could you please elaborate at this time?
Thanks. God Bless You!
Hi Bod.Been and gone, forgotten forgiven, rather not get into it thanks……just don't repeat it.
When I say abusive tactics I mean psychological tactic more so….wrong choice of words sorry.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,11:26) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 27 2010,03:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2010,23:34) If you want to be on this debate thread, you will have to promise to discuss without any attacks that includes being derogatory to Islam or Muhammad.
Is this the same islam that darkly calls itself the religion of peace, inspired by the dictates of a Dark Age illiterate man who had sex with a nine year old girl and conquered the Arabian Peninsula by slaughtering people who he felt had oppressed him by objecting to his superstitious talk of angel voices in his head, and that even today inspires mindless zealots to blow up their fellow humans along with a cry of “god is great”?Or was it a different islam you had in mind?
Stuart
Stu,I will respectfully ask you to refrain from any derogotory language in this debate if you wish to participate but this debate is mainly focused on a debate between pathoftruth .com and me and others who agree with or disagree with one side or the other. agreeing with neither is not on the table of this particular debate so if you have “community morals” as you said were valuable then don't violate these rules which in your case means do not participate
How about the ethics of using a thread here to carry on a discussion that belongs on another website, when members of this forum are not members of that one?That's just plain rude.
Stuart
Yeah, true, who are these people ? And how come they havent posted in this debate thread yet?
The way I see it with you two – Bod and Ed,….Ed, you jump around taunting bod…then after a while bod reacts, then Ed your upset because bod reacted….?
Ed, your numbers …..you need to lose them….believe scripture
Bod,, your Quran….you need to lose it…believe scripture.Quote (Stu @ Nov. 27 2010,14:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,11:26) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 27 2010,03:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2010,23:34) If you want to be on this debate thread, you will have to promise to discuss without any attacks that includes being derogatory to Islam or Muhammad.
Is this the same islam that darkly calls itself the religion of peace, inspired by the dictates of a Dark Age illiterate man who had sex with a nine year old girl and conquered the Arabian Peninsula by slaughtering people who he felt had oppressed him by objecting to his superstitious talk of angel voices in his head, and that even today inspires mindless zealots to blow up their fellow humans along with a cry of “god is great”?Or was it a different islam you had in mind?
Stuart
Stu,I will respectfully ask you to refrain from any derogotory language in this debate if you wish to participate but this debate is mainly focused on a debate between pathoftruth .com and me and others who agree with or disagree with one side or the other. agreeing with neither is not on the table of this particular debate so if you have “community morals” as you said were valuable then don't violate these rules which in your case means do not participate
How about the ethics of using a thread here to carry on a discussion that belongs on another website, when members of this forum are not members of that one?That's just plain rude.
Stuart
The Pathoftruth people decided to debate here you can see in other threads where they agreed to a debate here. They don't have a forum on their site but they do have “Chat” that can be saved? You can read the chat dialogue to see why the debate was supposed to happen here.Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2010,15:46) Yeah, true, who are these people ? And how come they havent posted in this debate thread yet? The way I see it with you two – Bod and Ed,….Ed, you jump around taunting bod…then after a while bod reacts, then Ed your upset because bod reacted….?
Ed, your numbers …..you need to lose them….believe scripture
Bod,, your Quran….you need to lose it…believe scripture.
The Quran is scripture. You should read it to understand whyThe look of this form has changed since i was here last. Is anyone here? I'd like to get in on this topic.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,18:10) Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2010,15:46) Yeah, true, who are these people ? And how come they havent posted in this debate thread yet? The way I see it with you two – Bod and Ed,….Ed, you jump around taunting bod…then after a while bod reacts, then Ed your upset because bod reacted….?
Ed, your numbers …..you need to lose them….believe scripture
Bod,, your Quran….you need to lose it…believe scripture.
The Quran is scripture. You should read it to understand why
Bod, you know what I mean.Scripture alone.
You can not possible believe that the Quran is Scripture, because the two do not agree 100% and to be Scripture they must agree 100%.
Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 27 2010,17:31) You can not possible believe that the Quran is Scripture, because the two do not agree 100% and to be Scripture they must agree 100%.
Welcome to the thread although the Quran is not the topic I will respond by saying if you are reading all scriptures in sequence they agree 100% but if you compare backwards then the new testament and the old testament don't agree at all does it?So the NT is revealing something and is explaining away parts of the OT isn't it? If not how would circumcision go from being an everlasting covenant in the “flesh” to being “symbolic”
Infact the NT is even divided and not 100% agreeable it goes from Jesus being sent only to the house of Israel(His words) and not to go to the gentiles(His words) To Paul developing an entire system for the gentiles.
So it is not only possible for the Quran to be scripture it would make complete sense especially when the Bible states in it's conclusion that it was not the final mystery or revelation to be known stating:
Revelation 10 1And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
8And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,16:09) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 27 2010,14:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,11:26) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 27 2010,03:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2010,23:34) If you want to be on this debate thread, you will have to promise to discuss without any attacks that includes being derogatory to Islam or Muhammad.
Is this the same islam that darkly calls itself the religion of peace, inspired by the dictates of a Dark Age illiterate man who had sex with a nine year old girl and conquered the Arabian Peninsula by slaughtering people who he felt had oppressed him by objecting to his superstitious talk of angel voices in his head, and that even today inspires mindless zealots to blow up their fellow humans along with a cry of “god is great”?Or was it a different islam you had in mind?
Stuart
Stu,I will respectfully ask you to refrain from any derogotory language in this debate if you wish to participate but this debate is mainly focused on a debate between pathoftruth .com and me and others who agree with or disagree with one side or the other. agreeing with neither is not on the table of this particular debate so if you have “community morals” as you said were valuable then don't violate these rules which in your case means do not participate
How about the ethics of using a thread here to carry on a discussion that belongs on another website, when members of this forum are not members of that one?That's just plain rude.
Stuart
The Pathoftruth people decided to debate here you can see in other threads where they agreed to a debate here. They don't have a forum on their site but they do have “Chat” that can be saved? You can read the chat dialogue to see why the debate was supposed to happen here.
None of that makes it any less discourteous.Or weird. But then they are god believers.
Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,20:46) Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 27 2010,17:31) You can not possible believe that the Quran is Scripture, because the two do not agree 100% and to be Scripture they must agree 100%.
Welcome to the thread although the Quran is not the topic I will respond by saying if you are reading all scriptures in sequence they agree 100% but if you compare backwards then the new testament and the old testament don't agree at all does it?So the NT is revealing something and is explaining away parts of the OT isn't it? If not how would circumcision go from being an everlasting covenant in the “flesh” to being “symbolic”
Infact the NT is even divided and not 100% agreeable it goes from Jesus being sent only to the house of Israel(His words) and not to go to the gentiles(His words) To Paul developing an entire system for the gentiles.
So it is not only possible for the Quran to be scripture it would make complete sense especially when the Bible states in it's conclusion that it was not the final mystery or revelation to be known stating:
Revelation 10 1And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
8And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Bod, No, you have to understand the words. You see I read that part of Revelations out loud, and as I read I feel it, and I understand what it means, but I cant say.But Bod, the old Testement right, then is the New, ok. So the old is been and gone is how I think I see it. So untill the 'Day of the Lord' this kingdom news will be taken through the earth , as it has been. Thats what it means by “Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings”. And though it 'tastes sweet it is bitter, and that is true.
But the Quran CANT be part of the Scripture. Because it's too different. To accept the Quran bod you know you have to say that half or more of the Bible is false. So you can ONLY pick ONE.
Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 27 2010,20:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2010,20:46) Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 27 2010,17:31) You can not possible believe that the Quran is Scripture, because the two do not agree 100% and to be Scripture they must agree 100%.
Welcome to the thread although the Quran is not the topic I will respond by saying if you are reading all scriptures in sequence they agree 100% but if you compare backwards then the new testament and the old testament don't agree at all does it?So the NT is revealing something and is explaining away parts of the OT isn't it? If not how would circumcision go from being an everlasting covenant in the “flesh” to being “symbolic”
Infact the NT is even divided and not 100% agreeable it goes from Jesus being sent only to the house of Israel(His words) and not to go to the gentiles(His words) To Paul developing an entire system for the gentiles.
So it is not only possible for the Quran to be scripture it would make complete sense especially when the Bible states in it's conclusion that it was not the final mystery or revelation to be known stating:
Revelation 10 1And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
2And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
8And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Bod, No, you have to understand the words. You see I read that part of Revelations out loud, and as I read I feel it, and I understand what it means, but I cant say.But Bod, the old Testement right, then is the New, ok. So the old is been and gone is how I think I see it. So untill the 'Day of the Lord' this kingdom news will be taken through the earth , as it has been. Thats what it means by “Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings”. And though it 'tastes sweet it is bitter, and that is true.
But the Quran CANT be part of the Scripture. Because it's too different. To accept the Quran bod you know you have to say that half or more of the Bible is false. So you can ONLY pick ONE.
Hi Shimmer,Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
“when he shall begin to sound”, the mystery of God should be
“finished”, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.Romans 8:19-21 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for
the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject
to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same
in hope, because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage
of corruption (of the carnal mind) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.We are in “The Day of The LORD” right now;
which is the third of YHVH's three great feasts!
Me, Paul and Victor all know this. (Rom. 8:19-21)Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
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