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Visitor: Asana
Operator: Victor
Operator: Paul
Operator: Sara
Company: thepathoftruth
Started: 20 Nov 2010 14:42:33
Finished: 20 Nov 2010 14:57:54

Call accepted by operator Paul. Currently in room: Paul, Asana.

Asana:
At some point you will have to face the truth that Jesus is not God

No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father have made known to you.
John 15:14-16

Who is the Father of Jesus?
Paul:
Asana, you aren’t answering anything we have already written answering your point here
Paul:
So you need to back up and read our materials on this
Asana:
So you have no answer?

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Victor:
Hello!
Paul:
Yes, have you red all of our writings on this?
Paul:
Asana:
At some point you will have to face the truth that Jesus is not God

No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from My Father have made known to you.
John 15:14-16

Who is the Father of Jesus?
Paul:
Asana, you aren’t answering anything we have already written answering your point here
Paul:
So you need to back up and read our materials on this
Asana:
This is a simple question. Who is the Father of Jesus?
Paul:
Sara can provide you with the links
Victor:
Very simple indeed
Victor:
And we have the answer
Victor:

Victor:
answers
Victor:
plural
Asana:
If you could answer that simple question I can ask another simple question this is the best and easiest way
Sara:
http://www.thepathoftruth.com/teachings/jesusisgod/index.htm
Paul:
We are in Him, having the Father and the Son
Victor:
one in and with Him
Asana:
That’s not the question
Paul:
but that’s the answer
Victor:
It is the answer to the question
Asana:
Who is the Father of Jesus?
Victor:
read that link and get back to us;
Asana:
John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God and your God.

Who is the God of Jesus?
Victor:
It answers your question
Asana:
Maybe this is easier for you ?
Victor:
Yes, we re very familiar with all those verses
Victor:
but more importantly, we know HIM
Asana:
But you can’t answer?
Victor:
Who gives the revelation
Paul:
Bod, we have answered you many times already
Victor:
We can most certainly answer
Asana:
You know who? The Father of Jesus and The God of Jesus?
Victor:
and have
Victor:
Now read
Victor:
So tell us, are you Bod?
Sara:
Full Name:
Asana Bodhitharta
Victor:
ok
Victor:
we have you
Asana:
Are you telling me that the link you provide identifies the God of Jesus? Yes, this is Bodhitharta the one you ran out on at heaven .net
Paul:
yes, and the others we have given you as well
Paul:
The Asininity of the Trinity, for example
Paul:
all of our writings do, period, because they are from God
Asana:
Could you just refer me to the part in the link that says who is the God of Jesus or the Father of Jesus?
Paul:
the one and only God
Victor:
You need to read the whole paper
Asana:
Who is the One and only God?
Victor:
But this we must say…
Victor:
as the Scriptures say…
Victor:
You can understand nothing of the Scriptures except it be given you from above
Asana:
Jesus worships God so why don’t you worship the God of Jesus?
Victor:
If you don’t have the revelation from the Spirit of God, it is impossible for you to understand
Victor:
still, read the papers
Paul:
yes
Victor:
It answers many questions
Asana:
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:21-

Why is Jesus saying that he worships God?

Tell me if you know these things because if you are right I want to be right with you and if you are wrong I want you to know what you should know for the sake of your love and devotion to God
Victor:
The questions you pose are posed to us all the time by orthodox mainstream nominal Christianity
Victor:
and we have answered them time and time again
Victor:
but they are as you,
Asana:
Then one more time won’t hurt
Victor:
not willing to seriously consider
Paul:
and if you wish to question us, frame your question in the context of what we have written and quoted from the Scriptures, citing the words
Victor:
no it won’t
Victor:
and we have learned that it won’t help
Paul:
otherwise, we have nothing more to say to you
Asana:
Philippians 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him and given him a name which is above every name:

Who is THE GOD that HIGHLY EXALTED JESUS and who gave Jesus a name which is above every name?
Victor:
we see no need to re-invent the wheel for those who refuse to hear
Paul:
amen
Victor:
that’s right
Victor:
we well know all those verses
Victor:
Were you ever a nominal Christian, Boc?
Victor:
Bod?
Asana:
What do you mean refuse to hear you haven’t told me anything
Paul:
you haven’t heard anything
Victor:
Were you ever a nominal Christian, Bod?
Paul:
you have had these writings for a month now, and all our words on the forum, but you are deaf
Paul:
your fingers in your ears
Asana:
I have always been a Christian and now God has shown me the continued truth in Islam which you also don’t understand
Victor:
we have an appointment we must now keep, Paul
Paul:
yes
Paul:
in four minutes or less
Asana:
You haven’t said anything Paul your puffed up for no reason
Victor:
yes, you’ll have to excuse us, Bod
Sara:
as soon as you come on, I’ll get it started
Sara:
(Victor and Paul)
Victor:
ok
Victor:
excuse me

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Asana:
No problem, thanks for taking the time to chat for a while I will read the link and get back to you in context to what is written there, Thanks again. God bless you all
Paul:
OK, good enough, we would like to see that

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Visitor: Asana
Operator: Paul
Company: thepathoftruth
Started: 20 Nov 2010 21:26:22
Finished: 20 Nov 2010 22:23:17

Call accepted by operator Paul. Currently in room: Asana, Paul.

Asana:
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1 John 4:11-13

John is declaring that he has not seen God but at the same time he was with Jesus so if John is telling the truth Jesus can not be God. Is John telling the truth?
Paul:
God is not the fleshly body, Bod.
Paul:
We are not saying the fleshly body is God.
Asana:
But the scripture says that Jesus Christ came in the Flesh and Blood any other thought is anti-Christ
Paul:
Are you talking about this?
Asana:
The Spirit of God dwelling with you doesn't make you God, does it?
Paul:
For many deceivers have entered into the world, who do not confess Jesus Christ coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the anti-christ.
(2 John 1:7 MKJV)
Asana:
There is another verse as well I will get it for you
Paul:
Right, I am not God because He dwells in me.
Asana:
Therefore, Jesus can not be God either
Paul:
The Scripture I just gave you is talking about God coming in us, His people who receive His Spirit
Asana:
Who died on the cross in your belief God or just the flesh of Jesus?
Paul:
yes, and He came first as Christ, the ONLY begotten Son of GOd
Paul:
did you read our papers all the way, as we asked?
Asana:
Yes, I did and it didn't make any difference it was still way off base
Paul:
Only Jesus Christ raised His body from the grave
Paul:
no other man has ever done this
Paul:
only God can do that
Asana:
Elijah raised others from the grave
Paul:
that's not the same at all
Asana:
Elisha raised others fom the grave
Paul:
Jesus Christ was dead and buried three nights and three days
Asana:
ty to do so
Paul:
then He raised Himself from the grave
Paul:
then He appeared to the some of the women and the apostles
Asana:
That doesn't make a difference the bones of Elisha raised a man from the dead . did you know that?
Paul:
yes, I did
Paul:
but Elisha never appeared in a resurrected body after he died
Asana:
Then what's the big deal? Elisha was dead
Asana:
Elijah never even died at all
Paul:
Elisha didn't ascend to Heaven in the sight of many witnesses, and then return by Spirit, inhabiting those who believed
Asana:
Miracles are no big deal
Paul:
maybe those miracles mean nothing to you, but they do to me, as the recipient of God's grace
Asana:
Jesus seemed to think so calling John the baptist the Spirit of Elijah
Paul:
because Jesus Christ has also come to me
Asana:
Plus Elijah gave Elisha a Double portion of his Holy Spirit
Paul:
Muhammad never heard from Jesus Christ
Paul:
In fact, I think this is one thing in which he didn't lie
Asana:
We don't know that nor did Muhammad claim that nor would it be needed
Paul:
right, Muhammad never claimed to have heard from Christ
Paul:
which proves he never heard from God
Paul:
“No man comes to the Father but by Me.”
Paul:
“He that has the Son has the Father.”
Asana:
No, he heard from Gabriel the same one who m most all the messengers of God have heard from just like Daniel
Paul:
No, as we told you, that wasn't Gabriel
Asana:
Then in that case Mary never heard from God
Asana:
It was Gabriel and you have no way of saying it's not other than preconceived notions
Paul:
What Mary heard from Gabriel is incompatible with what Muhammad heard
Asana:
Daniel also heard from Gabriel
Paul:
so one is a liar, and we know who
Paul:
you can believe as you wish, Bod
Paul:
Why bother talking to us, when you don't believe us?
Asana:
No neither is lying Gabriel did not tell mary that Christ would be crucified
Paul:
You won't receive our testimony from God.
Asana:
Your testimony is not complete and you should learn to receive more
Paul:
And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit shall come on you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you. Therefore also that Holy One which will be born of you shall be called Son of God.
(Luke 1:35 MKJV)
Asana:
Just like some who once believed in the trinity they knew a little
Paul:
Muhammad and his angel deny Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Paul:
Do you deny that?
Asana:
You say he was to be called the son of God but that's not what you call Jesus you call him “God” that proves your testimony as false
Paul:
God coming in the flesh is known as the Son
Paul:
all of this in our writings, but as Victor told you, you can't believe or receive our testimony
Asana:
You even deny that Jesus is the son of God because you call him “God” and say there is none other than him if this is true then you are false
Paul:
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory.
(1 Timothy 3:16 MKJV)
Asana:
God has NEVER come in the flesh unless God has been seen and the scriptures say he has not
Paul:
Great is the mystery, Bod
Paul:
no man can understand without the revelation of God
Paul:
that's how I came to know
Paul:
I am a Jew
Asana:
Yes, GODLINESS and the word manifest does not mean materialize it means made evident, did you know that
Paul:
Never taught that Jesus Christ is LORD
Asana:
Mystery? now you sound like a trinitarian
Paul:
Jesus Christ was received up into glory
Paul:
but you are taught otherwise
Asana:
Jesus can be lord but the word lord does not mean God there are lords all over you don't have the knowledge my friend
Paul:
So, where can we go with this? We are at loggerheads.
Asana:
Received up by whom
Paul:
He is Lord of lords.
Paul:
The Highest
Asana:
Who is the Father of Jesus?
Paul:
None higher
Asana:
Who is the God of Jesus?
Asana:
Then why does the scripture say that after Christ has all under submission he himself would submit?
Paul:
So as we now know no one according to flesh, but even if we have known Christ according to flesh, yet now we no longer know Him so. So that if any one is in Christ, that one is a new creature; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
(2 Corinthians 5:16-17 MKJV)
Asana:
Then why does the scripture say that after Christ has all under submission he himself would submit?
Paul:
How can a man be transformed into a new creation by anything less than God?
Paul:
Do you believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, Bod?
Asana:
Then why does the scripture say that after Christ has all under submission he himself would submit?
Asana:
Jesus Christ was saved from the cross, but you don't believe but let's not change the subject about whether Jesus is God because until you understand you can't get to the next level of understanding
Asana:
Who is the God of Jesus?
Paul:
We are done our conversation, Bod.
Paul:
I have no interest or use for arguing with you.
Paul:
We have said we agree with you to let God judge the matter.
Paul:
So let's leave it with Him, alright?
Asana:
Because you have no answers and this w
ill all be posted to heaven.net and other places for all to se the day you were exposed as insincere
Paul:
We have answered all your questions, for those who can see
Asana:
God will certainly judge the matter but I will make sure others see that you are not as wise as you pretend
Asana:
You have not answered
Asana:
Who is the God of Jesus?
Paul:
The God we worship
Asana:
I know you believe that the Spirit of the flesh of Jesus is The Father
Asana:
You don't worship the God of Jesus you said you worship Jesus and Jesus was Flesh and Blood
Paul:
We worship Him like Thomas did
Asana:
Jesus was made in the image of a Man and therefore if you worship the image of a man you have violated the second commandment
Paul:
and as Jesus accepted the worship
Paul:
after He was resurrected
Paul:
all of which you deny
Asana:
Worsip does not conclude someone is God Kings were worshipped
Paul:
you are the one exposed here as untrue
Paul:
one who throws out the testimony of the martyrs of Christ
Paul:
you trample on His blood and theirs
Paul:
so, go your way, Bod
Asana:
After Jesus was resurrected he spoke about his GOD who was this God Jesus told Mary about AFTER THE RESURRECTION?
Paul:
You have nothing to do with us, and we have nothing to do with you
Asana:
It is because you cannot face correction or reproof
Paul:
You don't believe in the resurrection, so all you say is coming from an unregenerate heart
Paul:
You use the Scriptures for your own ends, not for truth
Asana:
You want to run away but when you want to “ExPOSE” someone you are all fired up but guess what now you are being exposed and you run instead of state your position with clarity and it's becaus eyou don't know what you believe in and I do
Paul:
speaking out of both sides of your mouth, the way of Muhammad and Islam
Asana:
Changing subjects won't help you let each subject take care of itself you are being desperate. Who is the God of Jesus?
Paul:
The same God known throughout the Bible
Asana:
Who is the Father of Jesus and why does Jesus tell mary that this same Father is her Father as well is she God too?
Paul:
by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and all the prophets
Asana:
Jesus commanded stoning?
Paul:
yes
Asana:
Then why didn't he keep the command?
Paul:
I answered this on the forum
Asana:
So Mary is the Mother of God?
Paul:
no
Paul:
the flesh is not God, as I told you at the beginning
Asana:
So Jesus is the Son of Mary?
Asana:
Yes, you said the flesh is not God so God did not die for your sins, right?
Paul:
Jesus is the Son of God
Paul:
Jesus said God had prepared a body
Paul:
only a sinless sacrifice for mankind would do
Paul:
only God is sinless
Asana:
False! Paul said that and it was a misquote
Asana:
So why does Jesus say MY GOd and YOUR GOD and MY FATHER and YOUR FATHER?
Paul:
all answered in the papers I asked you to read
Paul:
get my quotes, and reply to those
Paul:
I am not going to re-invent the wheel
Asana:
Are you preaching simply that the spirit is God?
Asana:
You haven't even worked the wheel
Paul:
We asked you to do that. If you don't want to, that's your decision
Asana:
You are saying that the Spirit of Jesus is the Spirit of God if that is true then the Spirit of Mary is the Spirit of God as Jesus said MY GOD and YOUR GOD so given you believe this Jesus and Mary is God
Paul:
That wasn't His earthly mother He was talking to
Asana:
Your articles are vague and useless. there is no definitive teaching you are simply vague
Paul:
OK, we get it, you don't agree of even like them.
Asana:
I wasn't talking about his mother he was talking to Mary Magledine
Paul:
or even like them
Paul:
right
Asana:
Like who?
Paul:
our writings
Paul:
we have heard you
Paul:
you have your reasoning
Asana:
Who is the God of Jesus? You are only calling the flesh Jesus , right?
Paul:
no
Paul:
Jesus Christ came to me by His Spirit
Paul:
so I am not calling only the flesh Jesus
Paul:
but you are thinking I am calling the flesh God
Asana:
It's not that I don't like your writings in-fact I like all you are doing here I just don't like the fact that when you are being corrected you are so hard to hear and see
Paul:
Bod, if Jesus Christ had come to you and revealed Himself to you as God, you would be saying exactly what I am saying to you
Asana:
So if you are calling the Spirit Jesus then Why is Jesus worshiping another Spirit?
Paul:
He was demonstrating what our faith and lives should be like
Asana:
Yes, But the fact is at one point I did believe that but it was a test
Paul:
which we couldn't do without His Spirit or power
Paul:
you can't fulfill the commandments of God as He is them in Person and Character without God
Paul:
that is a proven fact
Asana:
I have healed and done other Miracles and I believed just like you but the ultimate conclusion is that you are God as well and when that conclusion was reached God revealed the difference and it was wonderful
Paul:
what do you mean, “the ultimate conclusion is that you are God as well and when that conclusion was reached God revealed the difference and it was wonderful”?
Asana:
So I am not saying you are just simply not right I am saying you need to go from there
Asana:
In other words Godliness amplified in a person causes that person to feel and act like God would act this is a person of such great faith that Mountains can be removed, it is the mind of Christ but it is when the amplification gets to its peak that the Father reveals Himself
Asana:
I meant “moned”
Asana:
Moved
Asana:
Sorry about that
Paul:
Let me see if I understand, if you will
Asana:
Okay
Paul:
I will repeat in my own words, and you can correct me
Asana:
Okay
Paul:
You are saying that person who walks in godliness will eventually feel like God and can move mountains by faith, at which point he will know the Father?
Asana:
Hear is a better example: When you met victor he spoke to you and heard in him the voice of God perhaps because at that time he had the Mind of Christ, then as you developed the Mind of Christ he started taking in the Spirit of the Father and so in a way Victor is your Spiritual Father
Asana:
But that is not the end of the story because God is beyond all that so the wall is put up until God reveals himself to Victor in a larger sense then when this occurs he will understand that God is beyond understanding and he will submit as I did
Paul:
We have known from the beginning that God is beyond understanding.
Paul:
That, in fact, is our problem here, that you can't understand what we are saying because you don't know HIm.
Asana:
The fact is your understanding is not really where I am saying it could be
Paul:
I never argued against our being able to understand more, only against your doctrine, which is in error.
Asana:
I do know GOD and if I said I didn't I would be lying. This is the same statement Jesus said so why would Jesus say he has heard thing from God if he was God?
Paul:
Because He did hear from God
Asana:
Why doesn't Jesus know the Hour of his return?
Paul:
He was God localized
Paul:
living as a human being
Paul:
subject to all that we are subject to
Paul:
so that He could be a faithful High Priest
Asana:
That
's what I'm trying to explain to you a piece of God localized is not God at large
Paul:
Does Muhammad look to Christ as his High Priest?
Asana:
Melchezidek was such a high priest
Paul:
Does Muhammad look to Christ as his High Priest?
Asana:
These terms are not how you think them to be
Paul:
Did Muhammad ever hear the Voice of Christ?
Paul:
as all His sheep do?
Asana:
Just like Father you even believe “Father” is a term of spirit, right?
Paul:
And, by the way, we have known the Father from the beginning
Paul:
I write to you, fathers, because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, little children, because you have known the Father.
(1 John 2:13 MKJV)
Paul:
I have work to do, Bod
Paul:
need to go
Asana:
Jesus said that his Father had many mansions he didn't say he was ruler over all of them
Asana:
But let's leave muhammad out of this because you are only trying to muddy the waters to confuse the issue
Paul:
You believe Muhammad is the last and greatest prophet
Paul:
Don't you?
Asana:
The Quran does not say this
Paul:
How can we leave him out of the picture if he is what he says he is?
Asana:
Where did you get that from?
Paul:
If he has all the corrections to the Bible then we should listen to him, right?>
Paul:
Don't you believe that?>
Asana:
The Quran does not make distinctions between prophets remember God is not a respector of persons
Paul:
Why does Pakistan have a blasphemy law that calls for death to anyone who speaks against Muhammad
Paul:
come now, you are being disingenuous
Asana:
It clarifies what has been muddied like the belief in the trinity, imagine if victor could have dispelled that Idea long before he had to struggle to reconsider it
Paul:
Muhammad is the picture, if you are Muslim
Paul:
but we are saying Jesus Christ is Lord, and Muhammad is not His prophet

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Asana:
Pakistan is not the Quran and criminaliy by any other name is criminality there are many Christian hate grous that claim Christ and Jesus would simply say I know you not
Asana:
Of course Muhammad is not the Prophet of Jesus that would make no sense Moses was not the Prophet of Jesus either otherwise Jesus wouldn't changed what Moses said regarding divorce unless you believe that Moses went against God

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I already saw you typing Paul so wouldn't that be lying?

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Visitor: Asana
Operator: Paul
Company: thepathoftruth
Started: 21 Nov 2010 13:55:43
Finished: 21 Nov 2010 14:58:51

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Asana:
Okay, so if you simply believe that Jesus is playing a Father role and a Son role
Wouldn't Jesus know everything his other role knows? Wouldn't I still know everything I know as a Father and as a son? Jesus says two things that make what you say impossible

He says:

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 13:31-33

and Jesus also says:

But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
Mark 10:39-41

So the question is can this be God that does not know and does not have all authority in heaven?
Paul:
Is your first name Asana?
Asana:
Yes
Paul:
OK, Asana, I don't have time now
Asana:
When is a good time
Paul:
As I said, you can write me with your thoughts
Paul:
And if a conversation is necessary, I will let you know when works for me
Asana:
This is much better because it is so quick
Paul:
Not for me
Paul:
I am in the middle or work
Asana:
Why is that
Paul:
You are interrupting
Paul:
I am not here to provide a debating service for you
Asana:
Isn't your work chatting, why answer the call to not chat?
Paul:
No, it isn't
Asana:
What's the point of the chat room?
Paul:
I told you last night we are here for those who are hungry for the truth
Paul:
In this chat
Asana:
Obviously I am hungry or I wouldn't have come to the chat room 5 times in 2 days
Paul:
We have fed you a lot, but you aren't listening, and have your own agenda
Asana:
If you are right in the things you teach you should love to engage with someone loving to engage with you
Paul:
It's not up to you to tell me how to use my time
Asana:
My only agenda is the truth to either receive it or give it
Asana:
You said your time was God's time and if that's the Case I am knocking therefore I should be answered
Paul:
You are pursuing “theological” arguments, not the Truth.
Asana:
I am seeking so I should find
Paul:
God will not honor such a pursuit
Asana:
If the truth is here then you should show it
Asana:
God will not Honor you saying you will Honor God to the death and then run from a simple conversation
Paul:
That's your characterization. Have you ever considered you may be seeing things wrong?
Asana:
I am also asking the moderator at heaven.net to remove the transcripts because I have decided it may be unfair to you
Paul:
what transcripts?
Asana:
Yes, I may be seeing things wrong
Paul:
We have answered your question above multiple times
Asana:
The transcripts from the Chats we have been having I posted them to the forum but I am having them be removed
Paul:
I don't mind them being posted, not at all
Paul:
When God came in the flesh, He experienced life as a regular human being
Asana:
Well they didn't really put you in a good light because mostly you are complaining like you are today providing no answers
Paul:
That's your take
Asana:
So when God experienced life as a regular human being he didn't exoerience this life as God, correct?
Paul:
What do you mean?
Asana:
You said when God came in the flesh, He experienced life as a regular human being so I asked “So when God experienced life as a regular human being he didn't exoerience this life as God, correct?”
Paul:
Yes, and what do you mean by that? Not experiencing life as God?
Paul:
God is a Spirit
Paul:
The Word, Who became flesh
Asana:
See this is good, you are ctually answering. So a regular Human being was God, correct?
Paul:
As John, the beloved disciple reports by the Holy Spirit
Paul:
No, God became a regular human being
Paul:
a little different in orientation
Paul:
The Word became flesh and dwelt among us
Asana:
Is this why God as a regular being had limited powers?
Paul:
yes
Asana:
Does God by definition have limited powers?
Asana:
So you are saying that Jesus was the localized limited God, correct?
Paul:
He can't lie, for example, though He has servants who can
Asana:
Can he make a mistake?
Paul:
I am saying, the Scriptures say, that Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh to atone for our sins and to give us His Spirit by the resurrection from the dead
Paul:
No, God doesn't make mistakes
Asana:
Is there a verse that says “God in the Flesh”?
Paul:
several, recorded in the teachings on our site
Paul:
I welcome you to read them all thoroughly
Paul:
taking notes
Asana:
Did Jesus make a mistake when he cursed thefig tree because it says that it was out of season and was not supposed to have frui on it
Paul:
no
Paul:
It wasn't Israel's season yet
Asana:
Since you say Jesus was God the fig tree was only following the very laws of nature that God created in the first place
Paul:
He came unto His own and His own received Him not
Paul:
That also had to be
Paul:
in order to bring salvation to the nations
Paul:
this is all in the Bible, Asana
Paul:
the Book Muhammad denied as corrupt
Asana:
Why did Jesus say that he would return before the generation of his day was over?
Paul:
making his own corrupt version
Paul:
Because He did return
Asana:
Jesus said that some standing here will not taste death until he returned
Asana:
He returned when?
Paul:
At Pentecost
Paul:
no longer in a physical body
Paul:
the Spirit of God, which is also called the Holy Spirit, or Spirit of Christ
Paul:
are you listening?
Asana:
Jesus said he would be returning with the Holy Angels to reward each man according to his works that didn't happen at pentecost
Asana:
Matthew 16:27-28 (King James Version)
27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Paul:
And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each according as his work is.
(Revelation 22:12 MKJV)
Paul:
He did give to each as their work would be
Asana:
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:33-35
Paul:
Yes, and they did come to pass
Paul:
are you not familiar with what happened in 70AD
Paul:
?
Paul:
No stone left upon another
Paul:
His Words fulfilled
Paul:
are you listening, Asana?
Paul:
or just typing your next argument, as usual
Paul:
glossing over what is said
Asana:
No what happened did Jesus come from the sky ?
Paul:
yes, He did
Paul:
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
(Acts 2:1-2 KJV)
Paul:
From Heaven
Asana:
Wow! So everyone saw him in the flesh because the angels said how yo
u see him go is how he will return
Paul:
No, of course not, not as you depict it
Asana:
You don't believe that Jesus is returning in the flesh?
Paul:
No, not as you imagine or describe it
Asana:
But this is what the scriptures say when Jesus was being taken up physically into heaven
Paul:
That's what you think they say
Paul:
But I know differently, having understanding from God, and experience of the Reality
Paul:
like the apostle Paul
Asana:
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Acts 1:10-12
Paul:
Can you wait a moment?
Asana:
He was taken up in the flesh because we know that after the “resurrection” he was in the flesh and he ate fish and honeycomb and said that he was not a SPIRIT
Paul:
I have people here and need to find a Scripture
Asana:
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:38-40
Paul:
For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures; and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the Twelve.
(1 Corinthians 15:3-5 MKJV)
Paul:
Afterward He was seen by over five hundred brothers at once, of whom the greater part remain until this present day, but also some fell asleep. Afterward He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. And last of all He was seen by me also, as one born out of time.
(1 Corinthians 15:6-8 MKJV)
Asana:
So he was seen in the flesh, right?
Paul:
Paul didn't see Jesus in the manner you describe, but he did see Him AS HE IS
Paul:
Enough for today, Bod
Paul:
I have work
Paul:
If you can't abide by my wishes, then you aren't welcome here
Asana:
Jesus said if you didn't see him in the flesh you didn't see him
Paul:
If you don't receive Him in the flesh, it's true, you won't see Him
Paul:
which is what is happening here, with you
Asana:
Matthew 24:23-25 (King James Version)
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before
Asana:
Paul said he saw a Spirit Jesus but the scriptures say that Jesus was taken up to heaven FLESH and BONES and would return the same way. Jesus said he “Has told you in advance” But you believe not
Paul:
He went up by the Spirit and returned by the Spirit
Paul:
same way
Paul:
I flew to San Fran by jet and returned by jet
Asana:
No he says that Jesus was on the road of demascus
Paul:
same manner
Paul:
He didn't see flesh and bones
Asana:
He said Jesus struck him blind
Asana:
If he didn't see flesh and Bones he didn't see Jesus
Paul:
so he didn't see anything then, physically, yet he saw the Lord
Paul:
as have we
Asana:
He said he spoke to Jesus as a spirit but Jesus is not a Spirit
Asana:
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:38-40
Asana:
Are you saying that Jesus discarded his RESURRECTED body?
Asana:
Jesus was taken up to heaven physically and will return physically
Asana:
Jesus is ALIVE and in the Flesh but you don't believe this do you?
Paul:
Sounds like you have all your answers, Asana, so you won't need me anymore
Paul:
As I said, I have returned to work
Paul:
I have already answered these objections as well
Asana:
I asked you do you believe that lord Jesus is ALIVE in the FLESH,
Paul:
all in the papers we gave you
Paul:
if you don't want to explore and learn from them, that's your call
Asana:
Is Jesus ALIVE in the FLESH right now in heaven. Yes or No?
Paul:
(I have also answered you on the forum and here, but you aren't listening, mostly only talking over me.)
Paul:
Jesus isn't separate from God, since He is God
Asana:
I'm talking with you but it is difficult to get you to talk about God although it should be the greatest joy of your life as it is mines
Paul:
You have no use for God, not in truth, Asana
Asana:
Is Jesus in Heaven in his resurrected BODY
Asana:
Jesus didn't die twice, right? so whatever body he was resurrected in is his Body, right? IT IS a PHYSICAL BODY
Paul:
God can appear in the way He chooses at any time, not limited, just as He appeared to Abraham, Jacob, and Joshua, three instances I gave you last night
Paul:
in physical form as a man
Asana:
We are getting so close to some truth don't leave now we're about to have a breakthrough(God Willing)
Paul:
Jesus is the Lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world
Paul:
do you understand that? if not, how can you understand the rest?
Asana:
I just want to know if you believe that Jesus is ALIVE and WELL in Heaven in his physically resurrected Body
Paul:
I have told you that Jesus is God, not a separate being. Of course God is alive and well. He is Life
Asana:
So are you saying that God has now permanently taken flesh and bones and is no longer a Spirit?
Paul:
not at all
Asana:
God is a Spirit .Jesus said he is not a Spirit
Paul:
He was demonstrating the resurrection of our physical bodies
Asana:
So if Jesus is in heaven and not a Spirit and God is in heaven and is a Spirit how can they be the same?
Paul:
Which He experienced first
Paul:
the forerunner for us
Asana:
So did he lose this physical Body?
Paul:
Jesus is God, God hasn't lost anything
Asana:
Is Jesus returning in any future time?
Paul:
I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
(Revelation 1:8 MKJV)
Asana:
So do you agree or disagree that Jesus has an actual physical Body right now?
Paul:
He is, He was, and is to come
Paul:
He has come for us
Paul:
not in a physical body, but as God, the Spirit
Paul:
God is very limited when coming in a physical body
Paul:
but when coming in the Spirit, He fills all things
Paul:
He gave us His Spirit, and lives in us
Paul:
You are seeing Him in the flesh now
Paul:
but you don't see Him
Paul:
you are blind
Paul:
The words that I speak to you are Spirit and Life
Asana:
So, no physical Jesus
Paul:
no
Paul:
many professing Christ disagree
Paul:
we know
Paul:
but that's the way it is]
Paul:
We aren't saying that God can't appear physically, of course
Paul:
He has done it before, my point to you
Paul:
one you ignore or don't acknowledge
Paul:
Why is that?
Paul:
How was God running the universe while standing there conversing with Abraham about Sodom?
Asana:
Jesus said he had Flesh and bones
Asana:
that's enough for now
Paul:
OK, you can answer me by letter. There are many such unanswered questions in our chats
Paul:
and on the forum
Paul:
Maybe put two and two together there, God appearing in the flesh and Jesus having flesh and bones
Paul:
Good enough
Paul:
bye for
now

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Visitor: Asana
Operator: Sara
Company: thepathoftruth
Started: 21 Nov 2010 15:29:37
Finished: 21 Nov 2010 16:01:53

Call accepted by operator Sara. Currently in room: Asana, Sara.

Asana:
Hi sara is Paul around I have discovered something wonderful
Asana:
He said Jesus returned at pentecost but I have found the scripture that disproves that it is here:
Asana:
Acts 3:19-21 (Contemporary English Version) 19So turn to God! Give up your sins, and you will be forgiven. 20Then that time will come when the Lord will give you fresh strength. He will send you Jesus, his chosen Messiah. 21But Jesus must stay in heaven until God makes all things new, just as his holy prophets promised long ago.
Asana:
This was after the day of pentecost
Asana:
This is important because Paul said there is no Physical Jesus
Sara:
Hi Bod… just needed to finish up a phone call, but I'm here with you now.
Sara:
Paul asks if you can e-mail him what you want to say, but please answer his questions first
Sara:
it will help you to do so.
Asana:
Are you allowed to chat as well?
Sara:
And I also had something I wanted to share with you, while I have you here, Bod.
Asana:
It doesn't have to be Paul because you all believe in the same theology, correct?
Sara:
yes, but you were already talking about this with Paul.
Asana:
Why did Paul say that Jesus already returned when the scripture says that this is false information?
Asana:
It doesn't really matter if you all believe as one then talking to one or the other is just as good
Sara:
Allow me to share what I wanted to with you:
Asana:
Sure but please don't forget : Acts 3:19-21 (Contemporary English Version) 19So turn to God! Give up your sins, and you will be forgiven. 20Then that time will come when the Lord will give you fresh strength. He will send you Jesus, his chosen Messiah. 21But Jesus must stay in heaven until God makes all things new, just as his holy prophets promised long ago.
Asana:
Sara, are you there?
Sara:
Acts 4:8-12 MKJV
8- Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, Rulers of the people and elders of Israel,
9- if we are examined today on a good work for an infirm man, by what this one has been healed,
10- be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, in this name does this man stand before you whole.
11- This is the Stone which you builders have counted worthless, and He has become the Head of the Corner.
12- And there is salvation in no other One; for there is no other name under Heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
Sara:
This is a different subject (perhaps, though there may be tie-in to what you are saying), but…
Asana:
This is definitely one point that you guys can agree on that needs to be changed in your teachings. Jesus did not return at pentecost according to Acts
Sara:
Muhammad didn't raise the dead or heal the sick or cause the blind to see.
Asana:
?
Sara:
Jesus Christ is the only Name given under Heaven by which men must be saved.
Asana:
Why not discuss the very important matter of Jesus not returning at pentecost first
Sara:
As for Pentecost, the disciples received His Spirit – the Spirit of Jesus Christ – which was His coming.
Asana:
The scripture Acts 3:19-23 disagree it says that Jesus MUST stay in Heaven until a future time
Asana:
Acts 3:19-21 (Contemporary English Version) 19So turn to God! Give up your sins, and you will be forgiven. 20Then that time will come when the Lord will give you fresh strength. He will send you Jesus, his chosen Messiah. 21But Jesus must stay in heaven until God makes all things new, just as his holy prophets promised long ago.
Asana:
I mean really shouldn't you be more concerned about whether what I am saying is accurate than to defend your position at all cost?
Asana:
I spoke to Paul and then I went and studied his claim that Jesus Christ returned for the Second time at pentecost and the Scriptures say that could not have happened
Asana:
The scriptures say that Jesus MUST STAY in HEAVEN until Hod makes all things new
Sara:
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
(Acts 3:19-21 KJV)
Sara:
Therefore, repent, and convert, for the blotting out of your sins, so that times of refreshing may come from the face of the Lord, and that He may send forth the One before proclaimed to you, Jesus Christ, whom Heaven truly needs to receive until the times of restoration of all things, of which God spoke through the mouth of all His holy prophets from the age past.
(Acts 3:19-21 LITV)
Asana:
Every translation says the same JESUS is in HEAVEN awaiting his return
Sara:
That return happens when a person receives His Spirit
Asana:
And this is not a Spirit Jesus it is a Physical Jesus
Sara:
the time of refreshing or reconciliation happens within the believer
Asana:
The scriptures say that the Jesus returning would be PHYSICAL
Asana:
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Acts 1:10-12
Sara:
It is physical, in us, His Body.
Asana:
No the disciples were gazing on ACTUAL PHYSICAL JESUS and says his return will be the same, not Mystical but Actual
Asana:
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:38-40
Asana:
Jesus is not a Spirit
Asana:
God is a Spirit
Asana:
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Revelation 1:6-8
Asana:
Jesus is COMING PHYSICALLY just as he ASCENDED PHYSICALLY
Asana:
Do you also reject PHYSICAL JESUS, THE LIVING JESUS, THE Jesus who is not a SPIRIT but is flesh and bone
Asana:
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
John 6:52-54
Asana:
If you do not accept the living Jesus who has HIS LIFE and BLOOD you don't know him
Sara:
I have His life and His blood, Bod.
Sara:
Then Jesus says to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His blood, you do not have life in yourselves.
(John 6:53 MKJV)
Sara:
Was Jesus talking about physical flesh and blood?
Asana:
Indeed you do and no he was talking Spiritually
Asana:
But he was resurrected Physically
Sara:
Amen!
Sara:
I have to go, Bod
Sara:
Other duties call
Asana:
And is ALIVE Physically and will return physically . Amen
Sara:
Write to Paul: [email protected]
Sara:
Bye for now.

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Asana:
Bye, God Bless!

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Visitor: asana
Operator: Paul
Company: thepathoftruth
Started: 21 Nov 2010 18:16:38
Finished: 21 Nov 2010 18:36:51

Call accepted by operator Paul. Currently in room: Paul, asana.

asana:
Okay, so if you simply believe that Jesus is playing a Father role and a Son role
Wouldn't Jesus know everything his other role knows? Wouldn't I still know everything I know as a Father and as a son? Jesus says two things that make what you say impossible

He says:

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 13:31-33

and Jesus also says:

But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
Mark 10:39-41

So the question is can this be God that does not know and does not have all authority in heaven?
Paul:
Yes, it can be, as Jesus told Philip, as we need to know Him
asana:
You said Jesus returned on the day of pentecost but the scriptures say this cannot be true
asana:
Acts 3:19-21 (Contemporary English Version) 19So turn to God! Give up your sins, and you will be forgiven. 20Then that time will come when the Lord will give you fresh strength. He will send you Jesus, his chosen Messiah. 21But Jesus must stay in heaven until God makes all things new, just as his holy prophets promised long ago.
asana:
This was after the day of pentecost
Paul:
Yes, and He continues to come and to refresh those who believe
Paul:
as He has with us
Paul:
We understand you don't believe, Asana
asana:
But is says that Jesus MUST STAY in HEAVEN
Paul:
not having heard from Him
Paul:
or met Him
asana:
Acts 3:19-21 (Contemporary English Version) 19So turn to God! Give up your sins, and you will be forgiven. 20Then that time will come when the Lord will give you fresh strength. He will send you Jesus, his chosen Messiah. 21But Jesus must stay in heaven until God makes all things new, just as his holy prophets promised long ago.
Paul:
so it is understandable, your confusion
asana:
Did you read this whole thing
asana:
21But Jesus must stay in heaven until God makes all things new
Paul:
yes, all answered in our writings, which you refuse to carefully read and answer
Paul:
any reasonable person will see that you are being very unreasonable
asana:
When God makes all things new Jesus will return
Paul:
He has made all things new
Paul:
in us
Paul:
We are a new creation, the new birth, the new creature
asana:
So then why Must Jesus stay in heaven
Paul:
Until all is complete
Paul:
when every enemy has been put away
asana:
So Jesus is returning from heaven after that , right?
Paul:
For He put all things under His feet. But when He says that all things have been put under His feet, it is plain that it excepts Him who has put all things under Him. But when all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subject to Him who has subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all things in all.
(1 Corinthians 15:27-28 MKJV)
asana:
But you said he already has and now you say he will, the scripture does not say he has it says he will after all is complete
Paul:
as I said, I understand your confusion
asana:
But when all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subject to Him who has subjected all things to Him
Paul:
these things were revealed to us
Paul:
and unless you have His Spirit guiding you, you can't understand the Scriptures
asana:
Who will the Son be subject to?
Paul:
the Father
asana:
You said the Father was Spirit and the Son was Flesh, right?
Paul:
We are the Body of Christ
asana:
But you said that Jesus is Spirit and not Flesh therefore where is the Son?
Paul:
God has different positions, just as a person may
asana:
Where is the Son?
Paul:
A man can be a husband, a son, a father, etc….
Paul:
So has God taken different roles in His creation
asana:
Where is the son? If you say the Son i.e. flesh is in heaven then why say that he is not physical as you have said
Paul:
God
asana:
Is Jesus physical? Yousaid the position of son was a physical position
asana:
So you are saying that God was made in the image of corruptible flesh?
Paul:
Came in the image of corruptible flesh
Paul:
but was not corruptible
asana:
So God died?
Paul:
which He showed by raising Himself from the dead
Paul:
the body died
asana:
So the EVERLIVING GOD Died?
Paul:
No
asana:
You said Jesus who was GOD in the FLESH DIED
Paul:
What is your point?
Paul:
No need to answer
Paul:
I already know
asana:
Who was raised from the dead, the flesh or God?
Paul:
I have told you, being carnal, and having your eyes on the carnal, you will never see God
asana:
Was Jesus God when he was raised from the dead?
Paul:
God had to be a normal man to overcome death
asana:
Was Jesus God when he was taken up to heaven Alive
Paul:
Jesus has been, and always will be, God
asana:
So God in the Flesh is in Heaven
Paul:
Why don't you answer my questions?
asana:
Ask and I'll answer
Paul:
I have asked you many. I have been patiently waiting, but you never answer
asana:
So clearly ask me one of those questions right now
Paul:
No, I think I will send you the transcripts and let you pick them out
asana:
That's silly why don't you just ask me now so you can have immeiate satisfaction
Paul:
If you don't want to answer them, I will not answer any more of yours
Paul:
I will email you the transcipts
asana:
However you still have not responded about Acts 3:19-21
Paul:
yes, I have
Paul:
You can read it in the transcripts
asana:
will you send them now?
Paul:
yes
Paul:
exit this room, so I can retrieve this one too
asana:
I will answer them immediately
asana:
okay

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Visitor: asana
Operator: Victor
Company: thepathoftruth
Started: 21 Nov 2010 22:00:10
Finished: 21 Nov 2010 23:27:30

Call accepted by operator Victor. Currently in room: asana, Victor.

Victor:
Hi Asana
asana:
Hi victor
asana:
I was waiting for Paul to email me but he never did
Victor:
I don't know anything about that
asana:
I like the song you sung called the path of truth was that you singing?
Victor:
Yes
Victor:
Written many years ago
asana:
Well it was nice I am also a musician and Music producer
Victor:
ok
asana:
Anyway, I was talking to Paul about the day of pentecost and he said that was the day that Jesus returned is that right?
Victor:
Let evolutionists explain music coming out of an explosion of gases
asana:
Good point
Victor:
I will answer that question…first, have you red our evolution section?
asana:
I am not an evolutionist
Victor:
I know
asana:
Oh, so maybe I will read that section as well I have already made videos about evolution and basically I have explained to them Life has to have 3 basic components Energy metabolism, Waste management and the ability to reproduce offspring and since evolution could not even occur without those functions those functions could not evolve.
Victor:
yes
asana:
Viruses don't qualify as they need host mechanisms
Victor:
ok
Victor:
To answer your question, yes
Victor:
He has come many times
asana:
But that doesn't fall in line with the scriptures is this something you learned outside the scriptures
Victor:
He came to the 120 at Pentecost, to the 3000 later that day…and several times to various persons and groups, as recorded in Acts
Victor:
and history
Victor:
revelation
Victor:
it is Scriptural
asana:
Acts 3:19-21 states that Christ never left heaven and must stay there until all is complete
Victor:
There are three words for His “coming” by the way
asana:
Do you also not believe in a physical Jesus?
Victor:
Yes, that is very true
asana:
What are those 3 words
Victor:
He is no longer physical except that He lives in the saints on earth
asana:
But the scriptures state he was physically taken up to heaven
Victor:
Greek words
Victor:
and He was
Victor:
but He returned to dwell in the saints
Victor:
beginning at Pentecost
asana:
Jesus was not a spirit when he was taken to heaven or resurrected, right?
Victor:
though obviously not in physical body
Victor:
Yes, He was
Victor:
His body also was transformed, so that it wasn't physical any longer as we know it
asana:
He said: Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:38-40
Victor:
resurrected, immortal, could pass through physical barriers, appear, disappear, change form
asana:
He had FLESH and BONES and this is how he left this earth and was taken up
Victor:
all those things recorded in Scripture
Victor:
yes
Victor:
transformed
asana:
He also ate
Victor:
yes
asana:
Then he was Physical
Victor:
in His new body
Victor:
yes
asana:
He could be seen and touched
Victor:
a heavenly physical
Victor:
if He wanted to be
Victor:
and not, if He didn't
asana:
The scripture says this is how he will return
asana:
Physical
Victor:
Those who are born of Him are His body
Victor:
I am His body
asana:
There is no spiritual second coming
Victor:
“second coming” is not in the Bible
Victor:
in the sense that many use the term
asana:
Okay, then his return
asana:
He said he was returning with the Holy Angels
Victor:
yes
Victor:
and He has
Victor:
more than once
Victor:
there have been many Judgment Days for example
asana:
Then why hasn't the end come
asana:
So you believe that Jesus is The Father, right?
Victor:
40 years after His last days on earth, Israel had its Judgment Day
Victor:
Titus wiped it
Victor:
The end came for Israel at that time
asana:
But Israel is still here
Victor:
then the end came for the Roman empire later…offically
Victor:
476 A. D.
asana:
Also Acts 3:19-21 say that Jesus is still in heaven and will return
Victor:
Yes
asana:
Ohysically
Victor:
that was written before He returned as well
asana:
Physically
asana:
But all has not been made complete or new
Victor:
He also returned when appearing to John
asana:
There is no new heaven and new earth
Victor:
though John saw Him, he couldn't say whether physically or not
Victor:
It was a vision, yet a real event
asana:
Is Jesus a Sirit or flesh?
Victor:
ah, but there is
Victor:
He is both, as it pleases Him
Victor:
He can do as He pleases
Victor:
and does
asana:
When did the earth roll up like a scroll
Victor:
That has happened many times
asana:
So in heaven is Jesus spirit or flesh?
Victor:
empires, systems, nations…
Victor:
As it pleases Him to manifest Himself
asana:
That's funny victor
asana:
Your good at being vague so let's see if I can pin you down, okay?
Victor:
not to say that one day the whole earth in its physicality won't be done away completely and replaced
asana:
The scriptures say that God is not a man, you dispute this?
Victor:
However, that is neither here nor there for me or for anyone else
Victor:
The point is to be cleansed of sin, to be born again into new life, and knowing Him directly
Victor:
He came to save us from our sins
Victor:
He came to me in 1972, as my testimony records
asana:
The Jesus who was flesh and blood was it he or God within him that was God?
Victor:
God within
asana:
You believe indegrees of understanding according to that testimony have you reached that final degree?
Victor:
“God was manifest in the flesh,” the Scriptures declare
Victor:
Paul gave you that verse
Victor:
first degree, 1973
asana:
If it was God within then why do you call Jesus God? Jesus was the name of the one BORN
Victor:
second degree 1975
Victor:
third, 2000
Victor:
second Pentecost…receiving His Spirit
asana:
Manifest does not mean materialize it means made evident just like it was made evident when Elijah did Miracles
Victor:
the first is Passover
Victor:
the third is Tabernacles
Victor:
seems like the entries here are muddled
asana:
How long will it take you to go to the next degree?
Victor:
I spoke of degrees in that I paralleled the three feasts with the levels of higher education
Victor:
but there were only 3 feasts
asana:
You have put in a lot of time and devotion but now you have gone to the extent of trying to disprove others before your own theology is correct and it is by no means correct
Victor:
ok
asana:
God sent me to you victor and we will see what comes of it. But you have shown dedication to God so the question is how far are you willing to take your learning
Victor:
You remember the agreement we had
asana:
If God didn't love you I would not be here
Victor:
I am sure of Him and what He will do and is already doing
asana:
This Judgement is already happ
ening between us
Victor:
No problem at all
Victor:
Indeed, it is
asana:
But everyone knows all that has been happening is you are all running away
Victor:
Everyone will have his take on things; it doesn't move me one bit
asana:
You have been the bravest so far because at least you are trying to hold your ground
Victor:
men will think what they will
asana:
It should move you because you are condemning others calling them False teachers
Victor:
that is of no concern
Victor:
I know who is teaching falsehood
asana:
But you should either be concerned or stop preching
Victor:
and am given to speak
asana:
You assume who is teaching falsehood and then hide behind trinitarian like mysticism
Victor:
I am His mouthpiece, Asana
Victor:
No assumptions, no trinity
Victor:
no mysticism
asana:
Then you should be always willing to speak the truth
Victor:
Not only willing, but committed
Victor:
desirous
Victor:
zealous
Victor:
thankful
Victor:
And I am…all of those
asana:
Then commit yourself Zealously to this dialogue to whatever end
Victor:
very
Victor:
I speak with confidence that one day you will meet your Maker
Victor:
face to face, as I have
asana:
God is a Spirit and at the resurrection of Jesus he was not a Spirit, true?
Victor:
the Spirit entered Him at the resurrection
asana:
Great so Jesus the Physical person is not God, right?
Victor:
only His body lay in the grave, while His Spirit was commended “into God's hands.”
Victor:
the body was not God
asana:
so Jesus the Physical person is not God, right?
Victor:
but God did fashion the body for Himself
asana:
so Jesus the Physical person is not God, right?
Victor:
and that is what is called sonship
asana:
so Jesus the Physical person is not God, right?
asana:
When was this Physical body named Jesus?
Victor:
God gave His Essence/Spirit a physical manifestation for this realm
Victor:
Jesus wasn't just a physical person, Asana, when He lived on earth
Victor:
It was God in Jesus
asana:
so Jesus the Physical person is not God, right?
When was this Physical body named Jesus?
Victor:
His Spirit is, His body was an instrument of redemption, to bridge mankind to God
asana:
So the Physical Body of Jesus is not /was not God, right?
Victor:
the Christ is the combination of man and God through reconciliation
Victor:
He was the firstfruits, being the SEED
asana:
Jesus was named Jesus when he was born of a virgin this being was not God, right?
Victor:
He laid down His life for you and me and took it up again after 3 days, demonstrating something only He, God, could do
asana:
No, The Christ is THE ANOINTED One that God chose
Victor:
Mary gave birth to the body
Victor:
not to God
Victor:
as the Catholics phrase it
asana:
Miracles are all through the Bible Elisha's dead bones raised someone from the dead, did you know that?
Victor:
yes
Victor:
but Elish didn't raise himself from the dead; no man is able to do so
asana:
Mary gave birth to the Body named Jesus and that Body named Jesus is not God, correct?
Victor:
Elisha
asana:
Jesus raised himself from the dead by the Authority of someone else he called “GOD”
Victor:
correct…until He resurrected His body, transforming it
asana:
He didn't have the Authority himself he says it was given to him
Victor:
He raised up His body
Victor:
His body was raised up by the Spirit
Victor:
and God raised Him up
Victor:
all three are spoken of in the Scriptures
Victor:
and if you are able to receive it, it was all the One and Selfsame Person
asana:
No God raised up his Body by Command and Authority given to him Jesus proves he does not have the Authority to do whatever he wants stating that it as not his Authority to determine who would be on his left or on his right in the Kingdom of Heaven so who's authority was it?
asana:
I cannot receive it because it is not true and if I said it was true I would be lying because I know better
Victor:
Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I might take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down from Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again. I have received this commandment from My Father.
(John 10:17-18 MKJV)
asana:
This commandment he received from his Father
Victor:
Yes, indeed
asana:
You take that to mean he received it from his spirit, right?
Victor:
God was demonstrating to the world true godliness/ worship of Him/ sonship
Victor:
while redeeming us to Him
asana:
You take that to mean he received it from his spirit, right?
Victor:
He and the Father were One as he walked the earth, and He said so
asana:
Who is the Father of Jesus that gave him this command?
Victor:
God
asana:
So Jesus received this command from Jesus?
asana:
or God received this command from God?
Victor:
God made a Son, only One, Who would manifest Himself to the world
Victor:
the only begotten Son
asana:
So you are calling Jesus the son or the Father?
Victor:
Take a grain kernel and plant it, Asana
Victor:
it dies, but up comes a plant with many grains
Victor:
or a potato
Victor:
have you ever planted a potato?
Victor:
and dug up the hill when the time came?
asana:
Are you saying that Jesus is another God or that the body of Jesus is not God?
Victor:
neither
asana:
So is the Body of Jesus , God?
Victor:
now, in resurrected form, yes
asana:
Was the Body of Jesus God before the resurrected form?
Victor:
just as those born of God living here on earth have mortal bodies but will be resurrected in time
Victor:
no
asana:
So Jesus wasn't born God?
Victor:
not the body
Victor:
or Mary would have been the mother of God
Victor:
which she wasn't
asana:
Okay, now we are getting somewhere
Victor:
she was human like us
Victor:
no different
asana:
Jesus was the son of Mary and completely human?
Victor:
yes
Victor:
yet born of the Spirit of God, therefore completely God
Victor:
by miraculous conception
asana:
But the scripture says he grew in spirit
Victor:
yes
Victor:
He was subjected to this realm
asana:
But you said in spirit completely God
Victor:
to suffer as a man
Victor:
yes
Victor:
you should also know that there is man's spirit and God's Spirit in me
Victor:
as was with Him
Victor:
on earth
asana:
If he was completely God in spirit then he was completely God period because the flesh does not exist without spirit
Victor:
and He has come to unite
Victor:
reconcile/redeem
asana:
So Jesus had two spirits in him?
Victor:
yes
Victor:
as I do
asana:
So Jesus had a spirit and a body that was not God?
asana:
You have a spirit and a body that is not God, right?
Victor:
He was given the spirit of a man, was conceived by the Spirit of God and received a manifest anointing of the Spirit of God at age 30
Victor:
the spirit of Adam was made in God's image
Victor:
Jesus was formed in God's image
Victor:
by God, of course
asana:
Okay great so before 30 he was not God nor had the spirit of God, right?
Victor:
God is able
to do this, while you aren't able to understand
Victor:
Put it this way, Asana,
asana:
before 30 he was not God nor had the spirit of God, right?
Victor:
can you explain how hair grows?
Victor:
just one hair
Victor:
just one
Victor:
can you?
asana:
I could but it will take a minute
Victor:
or how an egg forms
Victor:
and how life comes to be from a womb?
Victor:
you can't
asana:
I see your point you want me to fall for the it's a big mystery like the trinitarians say you're still kinda stuck there
Victor:
so where are we going to get with this talk? I must tell you that we are indulging in vain talk,
Victor:
Even if you were the most intelligent man on earth,
Victor:
you would not understand the simple earthly things
Victor:
so how can we be so presumptuous as to explain the heavenly?
asana:
It is only vain to you because you are not interested in growth at least at this point but the problem is you are teaching and condemning without knowledge j
Victor:
you think there are no mysteries of God hidden from men, Asana?
Victor:
Is that what you are saying?
asana:
No, I am sayiong that things are hidden from you and you do not want to see them
asana:
You have become confortable
Victor:
is anything hidden from you?
asana:
Only God knows the seen and the unseen something even Jesus admitted to not know
Victor:
or are all mysteries dissolved for you now?
Victor:
He knew many unseen things
Victor:
as do we
Victor:
He prophesied
asana:
This is my point you keep calling Jesus God but the time of his return is unknown even to him
Victor:
He spoke of being before Abraham
Victor:
If He was but a man, how could He do that?
asana:
That wouldn't make him God Satan was also before Abraham
Victor:
The entire Bible from Genesis to Rev. testifies of Him
Victor:
He knew hidden things
Victor:
There are hidden things
asana:
Yes, testifies of him as Chrsit not God
Victor:
many of which men can only know by revelation
asana:
He dd not know the hour of his return or who would be seated to his left or right
Victor:
I would not know Jesus personally if He hadn't revealed Himself to me
Victor:
Christ means combo of man and God
Victor:
so God
Victor:
the First
Victor:
The Alpha and the Omega,
asana:
No it doesn't and Jesus didn't tell you that
Victor:
the First and the Last
Victor:
The Beginning and the End
Victor:
These are things He Himself said.
Victor:
Are you refuting His words?
asana:
Jesus did not tell you that you are a combo of God and man
Victor:
All in the Book of Revelation
Victor:
Your problem is you don't believe the Bible to be inspired of God
Victor:
You can't believe the Bible if you believe the Koran
asana:
Jesus did not tell you that and I am certain he did not tell you that. Someone anointed is anointed by God they are Godly but ther are not a Combination of God and man
Victor:
sorry…I know differently
asana:
You are not ready to discuss the Quran
Victor:
I am a son of God in that I am reborn of His Spirit
asana:
You haven't even accepted God as God yet
Victor:
I know Him personally and you will know that I do
asana:
I believe you are a servant of God but you need to grow
asana:
You know what you know and it is wanting
Victor:
According to your opinion, A
asana:
You have not either studied enough or you became too comfortable
Victor:
and you are not an authority of God
asana:
Actually, Yes I am
Victor:
so I have no regard for your opinions
asana:
Because I speak the truth that I heard from God
Victor:
and until you discover that I am from God, you'll have no regard for what I say
asana:
You have no regard because you want to be God yourself
Victor:
your opinion
Victor:
which I disregard
asana:
I didn't say you were not from God
Victor:
altogether
Victor:
not true
Victor:
you say it with all your being
asana:
I said you need to learn and I said that is why God sent me to you
Victor:
every word that comes from your mouth
asana:
That is not true at all
Victor:
He has sent you to me for a very different reason
Victor:
for you to hear the truth and to be saved
asana:
You can see it from your perspective just like looking uphill and looking downhill
Victor:
That is why you're here
Victor:
You told Paul that you once believed as we, or were where we are
Victor:
something to that effect?
Victor:
Is that right?
asana:
But, I have been sent here and whether I want to or not I must do what the Lord God has told me to do. Currently you are so blind you think God was in the garden crying to God to take this cup from him
Victor:
not true
asana:
Yes that is correct, I see ou clearly
Victor:
but you can't understand,
Victor:
and I won't hold that against you
Victor:
If Jesus' disciples couldn't receive things He had to say for a time,
asana:
I do hold against you that you have given up your first love for you no longer see God
Victor:
how shall an unbeliever be able to understand?
Victor:
I am one with my First Love
Victor:
and have no doubt of it
asana:
You do not understand but your violation of the first and second commandment is a terrible thing
Victor:
I am unmoved by your surmisings growing out of a carnal mind which is at enmity with God
Victor:
I establish the Law of God
asana:
You have made God in the image of a man and have worshipped this man as such
Victor:
being one with Him
Victor:
your darkened opinion, A
asana:
How can you establish the law of God if you have no intercessor preferring to call your intercessor God Homself?
asana:
Jesus will say he does not know you when he is in front of his Father
Victor:
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Lord of lords and King of kings, I rebuke the spirit that speaks in you. I ask the Father to deal with you in all ways necessary, to the degree necessary
asana:
You will see Jesus and he won't be God but God will be there
Victor:
Satan comes and finds nothing in me, A
asana:
Why do you think Jesus says if you are ashamed of me I will be ashamed of you IN FRONT OF MY FATHER?
Victor:
YOu are very ashamed of Him; indeed, you despise Him
Victor:
If you loved Him, you would hear my words and receive them
Victor:
but you only love yourself
Victor:
One day, God will change that
asana:
You are ashamed of Jesus Christ who came in the Flesh and was received up to Glory in the FLESH
Victor:
and you will know He has loved me.
Victor:
Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I might take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down from Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again. I have received this commandment from My Father.
(John 10:17-18 MKJV)
Victor:
Behold, I give out of those of the synagogue of Satan, those saying themselves to be Jews and are not, but lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
(Revelation 3:9 MKJV)
Victor:
Not that He hates you, and not that I hate you
asana:
You deny that Jesus has an actual God that he actually communicates with instead preferring to believe that
Jesus is both Christ and God it is truly the spirit of ANTI-CHRIST but God is trying to inform you as you asked him to countless times
Victor:
but you will know
Victor:
and you will be turned from your bitterness
Victor:
go for it, A
Victor:
continue to blaspheme
asana:
That's right his FATHER loves him but you don't believe you believe Father is just a ROLE he is playing with himself
Victor:
but know this: you will suffer the consequences
Victor:
Now, Asana, I have much work to do, and you have heard far more than you deserve or are able to bear
asana:
I used to be on that level too but haven't you violated the teachings of Jesus shouldn't you have blessed me?
Victor:
I bless you in the Name of Jesus Christ with wholesale repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, Almighty God
Victor:
with deliverance from your darkness and sin
asana:
You have lasted as much as you could and there is no greater work that you could be doing but the truth is burning you and making you uncomfortable
Victor:
from death and hell
Victor:
no problem here whatsoever, A, I assure you solemnly and reverently
Victor:
I know what I'm saying
Victor:
the spirit of Satan has bound you “hand and foot”
Victor:
but one day, that will not be true any longer
asana:
Your education is coming and you are turning away but this had to be for how can you be judged if you do not know so I am teaching you what you ought to know and by the Power and Grace of God's HOLY SPIRIT open your ears
Victor:
We will know the judgment of Jesus Christ, the Judge of all the earth and His time of release for you after you have paid every penny of your penalty
asana:
You are so comfortable and of course you cannot bear being corrected because that would mean you are fallible to your followers but you shouldn't care you should put this education first
Victor:
Here is what Jesus said, and He has given me to share with Him in this:
asana:
There is no penalty for speaking the truth
Victor:
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All authority is given to Me in Heaven and in earth.
(Matthew 28:18 MKJV)
asana:
So you have Authority?
Victor:
That is my authority with you now
Victor:
All
Victor:
Surely, I do
asana:
What makes you think I have none?
Victor:
and I have committed you into the hands of God and He will, as we agreed, judge between you and me
Victor:
Your words tell me you have no heavenly authority with me
asana:
He is already judging and allowed me to find this direct chatting device
Victor:
or any true believer
Victor:
yes, and not as you think
Victor:
as you will see
Victor:
So now, A
Victor:
I do need to go
Victor:
There are others waiting
Victor:
all right?
asana:
You misunderstand you think that the degree of your knowledge is high but truly you have many degrees to Go and one day I hope to laugh with you about how arrogant you were
Victor:
Bless the Lord Jesus Christ, oh my soul, and all that is within me, bless His Holy Name!
Victor:
Many call it arrogance
Victor:
yes, I know
Victor:
fine with me
Victor:
I know differently
Victor:
Shall I leave now, A
Victor:
?
asana:
There is nothing greater than discussing God right now and no one else is waiting it was the will of God that you should be there now instead of anyone else because frankly it was to that point and Paul could no longer stand up to it and now you want to run away
Victor:
Now it is God's will for me to go
Victor:
and I am glad I was able to talk to you
Victor:
No running here
Victor:
at all
Victor:
nor was there any with Paul
asana:
You should show your “Power” but I tell you that you have none but what is given and that includes none over what is the truth
Victor:
but we recognize your stubbornness and hard heartedness
asana:
I have been even getting emails at Heaven net asking why have they run they seem so willing
Victor:
and that's no problem too big for Jesus Christ to handle in His good time and perfect way
Victor:
no problem at all, A
asana:
Not stubborn at all you have been going through the entire internet calling people false teachers and now you are being addressed Judge not less ye be Judged and with the same measure
Victor:
men have, do, and will, speak ill of us,
Victor:
not understanding anything
Victor:
You aren't judging anything by God so it doesn't matter
asana:
I have read your pages where you stood up to all sorts of bloggers and teachers correcting and chastizing them even reporting the tragedies in their life as some sort of proof orf your Power but I tell you this pray your hardest against me and see what comes of it
Victor:
I shall leave now, and unless you grow to respect our time and position in the Lord Jesus Christ, or even our person as human beings, we may need to cut you off, A
Victor:
My prayers aren't against you, but you better hope they're not
Victor:
That's all I will say on that, at least for now
asana:
Cutting me off will only be cutting yourself off if you only knew.
Victor:
I know all things, A
asana:
I really do want you to pray against me and if you think that what I am saying is untrue Go to God in prayer and ask him about Bodhitharta well you won't go to God but ask Jesus
Victor:
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.
(1 John 2:20 MKJV)
Victor:
I already know about you
asana:
This is your great opportunity
Victor:
One needn't ask for something he already has
asana:
If you did you would be listening
Victor:
Now I shall be leaving, A
Victor:
The will of God be done, swiftly and surely, Amen!!!
asana:
You don't have what I have you have something of Value what I am trying to help you receive is Priceless

Victor has left the conversation. Currently in room: asana.

asana:
AMEN

[bodhitharta]

From: Paul Cohen
To: [email protected]
Cc: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 7:21:48 PM
Subject: Transcripts Reviewed

Asana, I have gone beyond the call of duty, not only giving you the transcripts, but also pointing out the questions you haven’t answered (highlighted with yellow), and the points you haven’t acknowledged or rebutted with substance (highlighted in green). I have also made some clarifying comments in red text and added a portion from our site in black that answers one of your contentions.

Let's get to those questions first. Here are you Yellow highlighted questions

1. Paul:
yes, all answered in our writings, which you refuse to carefully read and answer
This is not a question

2. Paul:
several, recorded in the teachings on our site
Paul:
I welcome you to read them all thoroughly
Paul:
taking notes

These are not questions

3. Paul:
God can appear in the way He chooses at any time, not limited, just as He appeared to Abraham, Jacob, and Joshua, three instances I gave you last night
Paul:
in physical form as a man
This is not a Question, by the way If you read the story of Jacob although it says he wrestled with God the story shows it was an angel of God, Just like the Angel in the Bush, Moses was speaking to “God” but actually it was an angel if you read the scriptures. Jesus said those to whom the word of God came were called “gods”

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
John 10:34-36

4. Paul:
Jesus is the Lamb of God slain before the foundation of the world
Paul:
do you understand that? if not, how can you understand the rest?

The only question here is : Do I understand and if I don't how can I understand. I do understand so the second part hloses its meaning

5. Paul:
We aren't saying that God can't appear physically, of course
Paul:
He has done it before, my point to you
Paul:
one you ignore or don't acknowledge
Paul:
Why is that?
Paul:
How was God running the universe while standing there conversing with Abraham about Sodom ?

God wasn't standing there that's what Angels are for they are the Messengers. If God is speaking through them then God is speaking. This is a point that seems to escape you. If you believe what you say then you should accept hinduism and the God-men of india.

6. Paul:
What I want from you is a response to the writing we gave you
Paul:
Answer it
Paul:
If you choose

This is not a question

7.Paul:
Can two walk together if they are not agreed?

YES, Jonah did fine

8. Asana:
Yes, I did and it didn't make any difference it was still way off base

That's my statement and not a question

9. Paul:
Muhammad and his angel deny Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Paul:
Do you deny that?

Finally a question and the answer is no I do not deny it and it is true unless Mary is the Mother of God. Victor has himself admitted that Jesus was just a regular man until he turned 30 years old so therefore Mary didn't birth a being called “GOD” if she did she would be the mother of God. Should I pull victors testimony on this?

10. Paul:
How can a man be transformed into a new creation by anything less than God?
Paul:
Do you believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, Bod?

First anwer a man must be transformed by God second answe Jesus did not “Die” if he was killed or crucified he did not volunteer his life for anyone elses

11. Paul:
Does Muhammad look to Christ as his High Priest?
Asana:
Melchezidek was such a high priest
Paul:
Does Muhammad look to Christ as his High Priest?
Asana:
These terms are not how you think them to be
Paul:
Did Muhammad ever hear the Voice of Christ?
Paul:
as all His sheep do?

Muhammad looks to God as Abraham did no need for a High Priest or intercessor, I have no idea if Muhammad heard the voice of Christ and neither do you.

After Christ left earth his disciples didn't even say they heard his voice. Paul who was not his disciple said he did so who knows? But after all you said that Jesus was God so if God sent Gabriel why would he be speaking as Jesus?

12. Paul:
You believe Muhammad is the last and greatest prophet
Paul:
Don't you?
Asana:
The Quran does not say this
Paul:
How can we leave him out of the picture if he is what he says he is?
Asana:
Where did you get that from?
Paul:
If he has all the corrections to the Bible then we should listen to him, right?
Paul:
Don't you believe that?
Asana:
The Quran does not make distinctions between prophets remember God is not a respector of persons

Already answered these. I hope you realize that 80% of what were supposed to be questions were not questions and that shows a problem with your ability to communicate, how frustrating it must be for you assuming you are asking questions when you are not asking anything but expecting answers:

Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
James 4:2-4

Unless you answer our questions in a good faith effort that shows you are listening and acknowledging the vast material we have painstakingly made available to you, referring to our writings with evidence that you have actually red them and frame your questions and comments according to their context, we will not even consider talking or writing to you again.

I have answered all your questions highlighted in yellow

If you do, however, take the time and effort to engage us in a manner that is respectful of the truth and our time, we will consider answering, Lord willing. We make no promises.

You can choose however you wish but as far as I am concerned you need not answer for the truth and judgment has come upon your house and either you will rise and meet the challenge or you won't

Building a well-functioning home takes wisdom, knowledge, patience, resources, and time, but any fool can walk into that same house with a crowbar and can begin destroying it. You come to us with an agenda and malicious intent, like the fool with the crowbar, swinging away, with no care for man or his property, not aware that it is truly your own house you are destroying.

No one can walk into a household unless the owner is bound if you are unbound and have nothing to fear nothing can harm your house. I have no malicious intent and the agenda is you teach aright and show love

Our House is in Heaven, where you can’t reach it, Asana. We are seated on the throne of God in Christ. We will no longer subject ourselves to your vexing and time-wasting efforts to establish lies we have already torn down. We will go about the work of the Father, Who has given us a commission in Christ, even to contend with the beasts for a time, until all are vanquished. You have been vanquished.

You haven't yet gotten to the Father you are still stuck at the door so how can you do the work of the One you don't know? You don't acknowledge God as existing instead you made HIS Christ “GOD” You are in severe error:

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 10:32-34

But you d
on't believe there will be Jesus and his Father in heaven so LISTEN TO WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT SAYS:

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:20-22

All praise and glory to the Lord Jesus Christ, Ruler of Heaven and earth.

Paul Cohen

http://www.ThePathofTruth.com

Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
Philippians 1:10-12

Now for the green collection:

asana:
Acts 3:19-21 (Contemporary English Version) 19So turn to God! Give up your sins, and you will be forgiven. 20Then that time will come when the Lord will give you fresh strength. He will send you Jesus, his chosen Messiah. 21But Jesus must stay in heaven until God makes all things new, just as his holy prophets promised long ago.
asana:
This was after the day of pentecost
Paul:
Yes, and He continues to come and to refresh those who believe
Paul:
as He has with us

Paul:
We are a new creation, the new birth, the new creature
asana:
So then why Must Jesus stay in heaven
Paul:
Until all is complete
Paul:
when every enemy has been put away

Asana:
Did Jesus make a mistake when he cursed thefig tree because it says that it was out of season and was not supposed to have frui on it
Paul:
no
Paul:
It wasn't Israel's season yet
Asana:
Since you say Jesus was God the fig tree was only following the very laws of nature that God created in the first place
Paul:
He came unto His own and His own received Him not
Paul:
That also had to be
Paul:
in order to bring salvation to the nations
Paul:
this is all in the Bible, Asana
Paul:
the Book Muhammad denied as corrupt

Asana:
Why did Jesus say that he would return before the generation of his day was over?
Paul:
making his own corrupt version
Paul:
Because He did return
Asana:
Jesus said that some standing here will not taste death until he returned
Asana:
He returned when?
Paul:
At Pentecost
Paul:
no longer in a physical body
Paul:
the Spirit of God, which is also called the Holy Spirit, or Spirit of Christ
Paul:
are you listening?

Asana:
Matthew 16:27-28 (King James Version)
27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Paul:
And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each according as his work is. (Revelation 22:12 MKJV)
Paul:
He did give to each as their work would be
Asana:
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:33-35
Paul:
Yes, and they did come to pass
Paul:
are you not familiar with what happened in 70AD
Paul:
?
Paul:
No stone left upon another
Paul:
His Words fulfilled

Asana:
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:38-40
Paul:
For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures; and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the Twelve.
(1 Corinthians 15:3-5 MKJV)
Paul:
Afterward He was seen by over five hundred brothers at once, of whom the greater part remain until this present day, but also some fell asleep. Afterward He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. And last of all He was seen by me also, as one born out of time.
(1 Corinthians 15:6-8 MKJV)
Asana:
So he was seen in the flesh, right?
Paul:
Paul didn't see Jesus in the manner you describe, but he did see Him AS HE IS

—– Original Message —–

From: ProvideSupport

To: Paul

Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:37 PM

Subject: Transcript of 21 Nov 2010 18:16:38. Visitor: asana. Operator: Paul.

Chat Transcript

Visitor:
asana

Operator:
Paul

Company:
thepathoftruth

Started:
21 Nov 2010 18:16:38

Finished:
21 Nov 2010 18:37:42

#BUT HE IS NOT REMAINING THERE SEPARATE FROM THOSE WHO BELIEVE. YOU ARE READING THIS WRONG. HE DOES RETURN WHEN WE RECEIVE HIM AND WE ARE RECONCILED WITH GOD. THAT’S WHAT PETER ALREADY HAD AND WAS PREACHING TO OTHERS, WHO COULD HAVE THE SAME WHILE THEY WERE YET ALIVE ON THIS EARTH. HE WASN’T PROMISING THEM SOMETHING THEY COULDN’T HAVE. GOD DOESN’T DO THAT. “ALLAH” DOES, BUT THE GOD OF ISRAEL DOESN’T.

AND WHEN CHRIST’S BODY IS COMPLETE ON EARTH, HE WILL BE WITH US IN FULNESS, THE KINGDOM OF GOD ON EARTH RULING OVER ALL AS PROMISED IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL, CHAPTER 2#

SO he will be returning in the FLESH? You said he was not FLESH

He has made all things new #WE CAN ONLY BE MADE NEW CREATURES BECAUSE HE HAS RETURNED, CAUSING US TO BE BORN AGAIN OF GOD AND LEADING US INTO MATURITY AS HIS SONS. MUHAMMAD WAS WRONG, NOT ONLY DOES GOD HAVE A SON, BUT HE BECAME THE SON TO BRING MANY SONS TO GLORY. MUHAMMAD DENIES YOU THE FATHER, BECAUSE HE DENIES YOU THE SON.#

IS Jesus still the Son now that he is in Heaven? If so where is the Father? You are so confused with this

#YOUR CONFUSION IS THAT GOD IS SPIRIT, WHO CAME IN THE FLESH, LOCALIZED IN HISTORY (WHEREAS HE TRANSCENDS TIME AND SPACE – ALWAYS), TO SET THE STAGE FOR THE COMPLETION OF HIS WORK. YOU KEEP SPEAKING AS A TRINITARIAN, BUT YOU ARE WRONG AND WE HAVE TOLD YOU SO. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.#

So In heaven is This ONE GOD flesh or Spirit? Jesus is Flesh and God is a Spirit

#WE HAVE SPENT MUCH TIME TRYING TO HELP YOU, BUT ALL WE GET FROM YOU ARE ACCUSATIONS AND COMPLAINTS. YET YOU SAY YOU ARE TRYING TO HELP US, WHEREAS THE TRUTH IS YOU DON’T EVEN HELP US WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO HELP YOU.

Does God by definition have limited powers? #HIS UNLIMITED POWER MEANS HE CAN LIMIT HIMSELF IN A LOCALIZED MANIFESTATION BY TAKING ON HUMAN FORM, YET OMNIPRESENT AND RULING ALL.#

So you shouldn't mind the many eastern religions that say God is in human form in the many God men of India and Tibet, when it comes to them you say no way God didn't do that or wouldn't do that

#HE IS OUR GOD# #”To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and have sat down with My Father in His throne” (Revelation 3:21 MKJV). But in all other present tense references in Revelation, Jesus speaks as God, from the throne of God. These references are in the papers we gave you.#

Why would GOD need to overcome anything?

Asana:
So are you saying that Jesus was lying when he said he worsips God? #OF COURSE NOT, AND YOU WOULDN’T SUGGEST THAT IF YOU WERE LISTENING AND CARED AN IOTA ABOUT AN HONEST SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH. YOUR MOTIVES SHOW AT EVERY TURN, ASANA.#

So God worships HIMSELF?

Asana:
Okay, so now we are getting somewhere so no one who saw Jesus saw God physically, correct? #THAT IS CORRECT. IT WAS ONLY BY REVELATION, AS JESUS SAID TO PETER, THAT ANYONE COULD SEE THE SON OF GOD, AND THEREFORE, GOD.#

Okay, So God cannot be the person of Jesus Christ

Asana:
Pantheism, God is everywhere #GOD APPEARING AT SELECT TIMES TO CERTAIN MEN HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH PANTHEISM.#

OKAY, So God can appear as Jesus Christ and other people as well

#BECAUSE IT COMES FROM THE FALLEN NATURE OF THE FIRST ADAM, SOMETHING THE LAST ADAM DIDN’T HAVE, BECAUSE HE IS GOD.#
Asana:
Yes, but the flesh PROFITETH NOTHING #AND CHRIST WAS DOING THE WORKS OF GOD, THE SPIRIT, NOT OF THE FLESH OF FALLEN MAN, THOUGH HE WAS IN THE FORM OF MAN.#

Therefore Christ was doing the works of God although he was in the flesh of Fallen man

?#CHRIST IS GOD’S MEANS OF SUBDUING ALL THINGS, IN PARTICULAR FALLEN MANKIND. WHEN HIS JOB HAS BEEN COMPLETED, GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL. WE ARE NOW DOING HIS WORK IN THIS CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATION WITH YOU.#

So Christ who is God as a Fallen man is subduing mankind

Referring to Elijah #AND WHEN DID HE APPEAR AGAIN? WITH CHRIST ON THE MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION, DISCUSSING THE SACRIFICE CHRIST WOULD SOON BE MAKING IN JERUSALEM , THE ONE THE LIAR MUHAMMAD DENIES. WHAT HAVE YOU TO DO WITH ELIJAH, LIAR? AND WHY QUOTE THE BIBLE YOU DON’T BELIEVE, AND AVOID IT WHEN WE QUOTE IT?#

There is a part in the bible where Elijah talks about the sacrifice of Christ? No, of course not. Also seeing the many verses of the Bible I have quoted it doesn't appear that I have avoided it

#“So as we now know no one according to flesh, but even if we have known Christ according to flesh, yet now we no longer know Him so” (2 Corinthians 5:16 MKJV).#

#“And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said to me, See, do not do it! I am your fellow servant, and of your brothers who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy”

(Revelation 19:10 MKJV).#

#MARY DIDN’T HAVE CHRIST’S [GOD’S] SPIRIT DWELLING WITHIN BECAUSE HE NOT YET BEEN GLORIFIED. BUT IT WOULD BE HIS SPIRIT, NOT HER OWN, THAT WOULD MAKE HER A FULL-FLEDGED DAUGHTER OF GOD, AS SHE WAS DESTINED TO BECOME, BEING A WORSHIPER OF THE TRUE GOD ALREADY, BY HIS GRACE. GOD WAS WITH HER AND WOULD BE IN HER.#

And yet she ordered him to make wine so she is either the mother of God or Jesus is the Son of Mary

[bodhitharta]

[Added by request]

Hi BD,

I'm glad to see YHVH has put into your heart to engage Paul and Victor in a debate!

I believe in transparency “of Truth”! And I see that both you and Paul and Victor
seem to share this “opinion” with me. Therefore, I have PM'ed you the dialog
I have had with Paul, If you want to Post it in (Pathoftruth.com debate chat)
You have my permission to do so.

From: Paul Cohen
To: Ed J
Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 2:18:53 PM
Subject: Heavennet Forum

Ed, what is your take on our conversation so far with Bod?

From: Ed J
To: Paul Cohen
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Heavennet Forum

Hi Paul,

H-net has some of the most mature Christians
of the many forums I frequent. I'm so glad you joined as well!

I have read many of the pages on your site,
and my view of God is very similar to both yours and Victor.

BD is very stubborn and deeply brainwashed by the quran.

Jesus warned us that the prince of this world was coming(John14:30). And
it is he(satan) who wrote 'the quran' through the false prophet: Mohammad. (2Cor.11:14-15)

That being said, I believe the both you have done very well to point out the error of BD's way.

I believe all any of us can do is plant the seed, it's God's Job to make it grow on the inside!

I also believe God is in the process of bringing his remnant together(Feast of Tabernacles).
God has already brought many of his mighty warriors into my life.
And both you and victor are amongst them! God bless you both dear brothers!

Please feel free to consult me in any matters.

Also:

I no longer speak directly to (on H-net forum), nor answer his postulating questions,
because BD continues to make outrageous personal attacks against me.

Link: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….98;st=0

Your brother in
Christ, Jesus!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

From: Paul Cohen
To: Ed J
Cc: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 12:10:45 PM
Subject: Re: Heavennet Forum

Hi Ed,

What you said about God gathering His remnant today reminds me of
a writing on our site, which tells of that very thing: The Gathering

The book that you were going to send us, is that the one that's downloadable on your site?
I have tried downloading it, but I don't get anything when I click on the book image.

Have you read our writings about the Bible (How We View and Use the Scriptures)?
I would like to know what you think, perhaps starting with:
Is the King James Authorized Version the Perfect Word of God?

Bod has thrown down the gauntlet with the Lord, and the Lord will answer (and has).

Thanks for your feedback, Ed.
Paul

From: Ed J
To: Paul Cohen
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: BD at H-net

Hi Paul and Victor,

I thought I share with you guys a PM I got from BD.
BD has Posted his PM's on the forum before, so I'm not doing
anything that BD hasn't done himself.

Also give me the link if you write about BD on your site; OK?

Break

My PM conversation with BD: Starting with a response from BD…
PM:(bodhitharta @ Nov. 14 2010,11:16)

And the Book (one's Record) will be placed (in the right hand for a believer in the Oneness of Allah, and in the left hand for a disbeliever in the Oneness of Allah), and you will see the Mujrimun (criminals, polytheists, sinners), fearful of that which is (recorded) therein. They will say: “Woe to us! What sort of Book is this that leaves neither a small thing nor a big thing, but has recorded it with numbers!” And they will find all that they did, placed before them, and your Lord treats no one with injustice.
( سورة الكهف , Al-Kahf, Chapter #18, Verse #49)

Verily, We give life to the dead, and We record that which they send before (them), and their traces and all things We have recorded with numbers (as a record) in a Clear Book.
( سورة يس , Ya Seen, Chapter #36, Verse #12)

PM: (Ed J @ Nov. 14 2010,11:20)
Then, my response to him was: …'Number 666'

PM: (bodhitharta @ Nov. 14 2010,11:28)
Then BD responded with this…

You see, that was just to show you how corrupt you have become. What does 666 have to do with these Verses?

By the way I know you and the guys at the pathoftruth have both been praying against me not together but both on your own, so how does it feel to have your prayers not work for you but instead whoever you try to curse you will be cursed but if you are wise you will bless to be blessed for your thought sof evil are nothing to me so be careful for your own sake.

PM: (Ed J @ Nov. 14 2010,12:14)
Then, my response to him was:

Hi BD,

What are you paranoid now? Is Lucifer whispering in your ear?
I don't pray for curses against people, that's what your false prophet does!
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y272504 (Click Here)

Break Over

From: Ed J
To: Paul Cohen
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Heavennet Forum

Hi Paul,

In this e-mail I have answered your bible question.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Here is what I have said to people about the “AKJV Bible”.
It is the most accurate bible us English-speaking possess, and
can be proven to be as anointed as the original texts themselves.
According to my research: YHVH has encoded his existence in it.
Look at what Prob.18:13 and Prob.25:2 say about God's encoding.

Prob.25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
Prob.25:2 is for those who refuse to believe that “The Bible” is written on many different levels.

Prob.18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Prob.18:13 is for those who comment on it's authenticity before understanding it's significance.

Look at what Psalm 12:7-8 say in regard to YHVH preserving his word…

Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (In The AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever.
Isaiah 28:11: For with stammering lips and “another tongue” (that is English) will he speak to this people.

Your brother in
Christ, Jesus!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

PS> Let me know what you think of HolyCityBibleCode; OK?

From: Paul Cohen
To: Ed J
Cc: Victor Hafichuk
Sent: Sat, November 20, 2010 8:30:41 AM
Subject: Answering Several Letters

Hi Ed,

I am finally able to answer your several letters on various matters. I know the Lord’s timing is perfect, though we have been harried and hurried
with many things. He’s told us to keep the peace, and has given us the power to do so.

You write: “Christian opinions are important to me!”

According to the plain and common meaning of the word “opinion,” we disagree that men’s opinions concerning Christ are important, and you should know that your sentiment opposes the Lord Jesus Christ. Here is what “opinion” means: “A personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty.”

(Interruption by Ed J: Why is the word 'feedback' correct, but “opinion” wrong?)

In the context of professing faith in Christ, what do we have to do with the opinions of anyone, including those who call themselves Christians?

The Lord has called us, Ed, not to give our opinions, but to speak His certain truth, which has been proven in our lives and IS our Life. Jesus Christ is the Truth and our Life. We dare not present anything in His Name but Him.

If you see what we speak as us giving our opinions, then you are entirely missing the point and the One Who speaks through us. You are not confessing Jesus Christ coming in the flesh, which He does through His people in whom He lives and rules.

You can read Opinion for more teaching on your error. But so far we see that you are only interested in promoting your theories and ideas about the Bible. You have shown no interest whatsoever in our “opinions.” We suspect that the feedback you seek is only concerning your opinion and material.

Regardless of whether the Bible is coded as you claim, however, it does you no good if you don’t know the Lord and His ways, which we plainly see you don’t.

If you knew the Lord and His ways, you wouldn’t need a code to give you the meaning of the Scriptures. You would have that directly from the Lord, within, not dependent on external devices and your own cunning or abilities to use them. That’s the way it’s been for all of God’s saints at all times throughout history, including now.

Let me correct you in a few instances of mistaken notions you present about the Scriptures. You say:

“Prob.25:2 is for those who refuse to believe that “The Bible” is written on many different levels.”

(The proverb is: “It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.”)

The proverb is talking about God, not the Bible. Think about it for a moment. Are all the affairs of men and God’s sovereign rule over them limited to the Bible? You are in idolatry of the Bible, Ed, substituting it, with your knowledge, for the Creator Who speaks and does all things. Not good, not good!

You write, “Prob.18:13 is for those who comment on it's authenticity before understanding it's significance.”

(The proverb is: “He that answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame to him.”)

You apply this verse to the “Bible code.” But if the code isn’t authentic, as you present it, then it has no significance. You seem to be saying that because you believe something is there, it must be authentic, but that’s backwards, the way of delusion and not enlightenment. In God’s light, we see things as they are, and not as we wish or believe them to be.

The King James has errors, including added Scriptures and other perversions. For example, the KJV in Acts calls the Passover “Easter,” which is a heathen festival named after the goddess of sex and fertility, Ishtar (the abominable pagan queen of heaven mentioned by Jeremiah). How does that work in your code? Does it reveal the blasphemy there?

If not, the code is in error, but not the Word of God.
(Interruption by Ed J: Seems you have a little double-talk going on here?)

Another example of error in the KJV: Did you know that John 5:4 is not found in the oldest manuscripts, because it’s blatant nonsense that attributes evil to God? Yet it’s included in the KJV. How does that affect your code?

You use this Scripture to prove that the KJV hasn’t been tampered with (your reference in the brackets):
(Interruption by Ed J: WHAT?)

“Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them [In The AKJV Bible] from this generation for ever.”

Your interpretation is blatant nonsense. God will preserve the words in the Bible from people? Obviously He isn’t saying that. The Psalm is talking about unbelieving professors of God, who vex Him daily. It’s from them that He preserves His people. And in contrast to man’s lying and destructive words, His words are pure, bringing salvation to the poor in spirit, like silver purified seven times. The object of purification is His people, not His words – they are pure from the beginning (John 1). You are in all confusion, truly confounded, which is the case with all idolaters.

We don’t doubt for a second there are layers of meaning in the Bible,
(Interruption by Ed J: And here you have a yes/no going)
marvelous in order. We have experienced these things. We know there is meaning in every atom of existence, which is hidden from the carnal man.

If a sparrow doesn’t fall to the ground without the Father, then everything is perfectly arranged according to the will and wisdom of God, which He reveals to His servants that know Him. But the wisdom and understanding of God doesn’t come by man’s study or secret codes. He makes these things known by His Spirit.

You haven’t received His Spirit or kept the Feast of Pentecost, so you don’t know these things experientially. That you find them foreign and undesirable tells us you have yet to experience and keep the Feast of Passover, which is repentance. You need to turn to God for the first time, Ed, turning away from your own mind and thoughts about Him (which have nothing to do with Him). You are yet in your sins.

Bod said some true things to you about the code, showing you the way such systems are in “the eye of the beholder,” easily manipulated and lacking in wisdom. Though he is a Muslim, an unbeliever regarding Christ, you should receive his correction with all humility and thankfulness. The enemy isn’t always wrong or always an enemy. God is doing you service there.

If you are still interested, we can let you know when we post our exposure of Bod in the Islam section on our site. We have other projects on the go right now, so it will have to wait a bit.

We have much bigger fish to fry here, don’t we, Ed?

Paul

From: Ed J
To: Paul Cohen
Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 8:15:41 PM
Subject: Re: Answering Several Letters

Hi Everyone,

“There is an intelligence originating outside of time that can now
be mathematically linked to the Christian Bible and even labeled… “GOD”!”

[ 63 x 71 = 4473 ]

The title: “God” appears in the “AKJV Bible”(74) exactly 4473 times.

God's Signature

יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)

Gematria: is the use of number valuations, associating different words together, through integers.
“Gematria”(74) is a powerful tool, which can be used with Hebrew, Greek and English languages;
illustrating that through the use number associations: Gematria even crosses languages barriers.

Theomatics: is the practice of using “Gematria” to associate Theological ideas
through the use of multiplication factors derived from their Gematria valuatio
ns.

The God Numbers(151): are specific reoccurring “Theomatic numbers” in the AKJV Bible;
that not only help to prove GOD’s existence, but also help to clarify many doctrinal beliefs.

The God Numbers (26, 63, 74, 117 & 151) represent certain specific numbers that connect theological ideas,
which reduce associated language limitations. Through the extensive use of [theomatic encryptions = 63×4],
great and mighty things of GOD are now being revealed, greatly increasing the knowledge of truth. (Jer. 33:3)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Just recently sent to Paul and Victor…
From: Ed J
To: Paul Cohen
Sent: Sun, November 23, 2010 9:15:41 PM
Subject: Re: Answering Several Letters

Hi Paul, here is another Post that I always post…

Hi Everybody,

I don't usually talk about Theomatics(numbers in Scripture) with beginner Christians,
but Atheists and those claiming to be Agnostic is different, needing the exposure!
As personal testimony of “God” means absolutely NOTHING to these people.
So let me tell you mine: I've had my understanding of God for 30 years
before numbers (such as you see in my Posts) were introduced to me.

Have any of you ever seen the Jim Cary movie called: ‘Bruce Almighty’?
Well there is a scene where he is crying out to God… “God to show me a sign”!
He drives past one sign that says “Bridge Out” and then another that says “Caution”.
He is completely oblivious to the “many signs”, continuing towards an incomplete Bridge.
That is how numbers were for me, “no interest” “didn't care” and still I kept seeing the number 54,
but didn't have a clue as to why? Then I was introduced to a book called Theomatics II by Author Del Washburn.

Or Are you familiar with the Prophet Amos?
Amos 7:14 …I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son;
but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit: And the LORD took
me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel.

Well my story is very similar, God still uses people today and God has called me
to write a book that now documents the very “PROOF of God's existence”.
I have no buffeting spirit, like the Apostle Paul had, as I have no ego.
YHVH=63 has even wrote about me in his book: “The Bible”=63.

This has only been done (as I see things) to be used as conclusive proof of GOD's existence.
Without it, I would be considered just another “crackpot”, in a long history of ‘crackpots’.
My good friend Gary Robb once said: “Nobody can know everything about everything”.
But God's kingdom is “real” and the extent of this proof is yet to be revealed to all.

Sorry for the Autobiography, but it is necessary to this thread.
Numbers are corroborative evidence only; nothing more.
I have learned based on numbers: No “Theology”,
though satan might tell you all differently!

God bless (Joshua 22:34 / Psalm 119:98-101)
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not …JEHOVAH GOD

[bodhitharta]

Okay I added it to the thread but how is it you have not told them that you do not believe that Jesus is YHVH? This is why they chastized you so much. Had you have given YHVH THE GLORY they would have surely not been so strong against you. The fact is ED you don't speak about God you speak about your love of numbers

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2010,14:54)

Okay I added it to the thread but how is it you have not told them that you do not believe that Jesus is YHVH? This is why they chastized you so much. Had you have given YHVH THE GLORY they would have surely not been so strong against you. The fact is ED you don't speak about God you speak about your love of numbers

Hi BD,

First: Let me thank you for welcoming me onto your debate thread!

I will make this thread yet another exception
as long as you abstain from further personal attacks; deal?

Jesus had all the fullness of the Godhead dwelling in his physical body. (Col.2:9)
I have told you specifically what this meant and you even eluded to this in your dialog.
So you have indeed illustrated the ability to learn “Spiritual” concepts.

I do give YHVH (Jesus' father and ours) all the Glory!

YHVH bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2010,15:31)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2010,14:54) Okay I added it to the thread but how is it you have not told them that you do not believe that Jesus is YHVH? This is why they chastized you so much. Had you have given YHVH THE GLORY they would have surely not been so strong against you. The fact is ED you don't speak about God you speak about your love of numbers Hi BD, First: Let me thank you for welcoming me onto your debate thread! I will make this thread yet another exception as long as you abstain from further personal attacks; deal? Jesus had all the fullness of the Godhead dwelling in his physical body. (Col.2:9) I have told you specifically what this meant and you even eluded to this in your dialog. So you have indeed illustrated the ability to learn “Spiritual” concepts. I do give YHVH (Jesus' father and ours) all the Glory! YHVH bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

If you want to be on this debate thread, you will have to promise to discuss without any attacks that includes being derogatory to Islam or Muhammad. That is not to say you cannot attack the beliefs or what's in the Quran itself but it should be based on scripture comparison or actual reasoning and not hate based talk.

They don't believe Jesus just had the fulness of the Godhead dwelling in him they believe Jesus IS God. In other words they believe that Jehovah Is Jesus. They don't believe that Jesus has an actual God that he worships. Do you believe that Jesus worships YHVH?

God Bless!

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 24 2010,23:34)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 24 2010,15:31) Hi BD, First: Let me thank you for welcoming me onto your debate thread! I will make this thread yet another exception as long as you abstain from further personal attacks; deal? Jesus had all the fullness of the Godhead dwelling in his physical body. (Col.2:9) I have told you specifically what this meant and you even eluded to this in your dialog. So you have indeed illustrated the ability to learn “Spiritual” concepts. I do give YHVH (Jesus' father and ours) all the Glory! YHVH bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org If you want to be on this debate thread, you will have to promise to discuss without any attacks that includes being derogatory to Islam or Muhammad. That is not to say you cannot attack the beliefs or what's in the Quran itself but it should be based on scripture comparison or actual reasoning and not hate based talk. They don't believe Jesus just had the fulness of the Godhead dwelling in him they believe Jesus IS God. In other words they believe that Jehovah Is Jesus. They don't believe that Jesus has an actual God that he worships. Do you believe that Jesus worships YHVH? God Bless!

Hi BD,

                        God's Signature

יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)

                             YHVH is GOD(117)
                          YHVH(63) = Color(63)
        I added “Color“ for the purposes to “point“(74).

John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I (יהשוע YÄ-shü-ă) honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my
Father that honoreth me; of whom ye(speaking to the religious zealots in Judaism) say,
that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say,
I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; [for I have not yet ascended to my Father]:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Seems pretty clear, that “Jesus” believed his father(HolySpirit)
(Matt. 1:18 / Matt. 1:20 / Luke 1:35) was GOD(=JEHOVAH)!
Who was Jesus praying to here, ‘himself’? (Luke 22:42)

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

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asana:
ED J has joined the debate over at Heaven.net

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They have stopped responding I have went to their chat for 2 days all throughout the day and my last email was never answered so this debate must be over although they promised to come here and defeat me (Vanquish me) and show before everyone I was wrong but nothing has or will happen because they have worshiped what they know not instead of ALLAH/YHVH

[bodhitharta]

asana:
Are you guys taking a vacation?

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asana:
You said God can not be God which would mean God could lie, in-fact it would be saying God did lie for it is HE who said

I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
Hosea 11:8-10

But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
1 Kings 8:26-28

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I guess this debate is over you can lock it up T8

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

I have had more correspondence with the path of truth guys,
With your permission I would like to add it also to this thread.

YHVH Bless
Ed J

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2010,15:31)

Hi BD, I have had more correspondence with the path of truth guys, With your permission I would like to add it also to this thread. YHVH Bless Ed J

Please do

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