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Hi,
This is often found in scripture when God wants to emphasize a point.eg
Ps 139
7Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?God is present by His Spirit
Martian says
“Through Hebrew poetry called parallelism YHWH and hayah, in Gen 2:7, are being paralled showing how close they are in meaning.”Martian claims it is in this verse.
Gen 2.7
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.Where?
Hi,
I would sday this was a typical example.
Rom8
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.So God shows us that His Spirit can be called THE Spirit or the SPIRIT OF CHRIST
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2009,13:43) Hi,
I would sday this was a typical example.
Rom8
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.So God shows us that His Spirit can be called THE Spirit or the SPIRIT OF CHRIST
Hi Nick:The Spirit of God the Father will not dwell in anyone who is not abide in the doctrine of Christ which the spirit of the Son.
Hi 94,
Can you show this from Scripture?
Do you mean it says God's Spirit will not dwell in anyone who does not also have the Spirit of Christ?So what is meant by THE SPIRIT?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2009,14:42) Hi 94,
Can you show this from Scripture?
Do you mean it says God's Spirit will not dwell in anyone who does not also have the Spirit of Christ?So what is meant by THE SPIRIT?
Hi Nick:I already gave you this scripture:
Quote 2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Quote 1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Quote Jhn 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. And you ask:
Quote So what is meant by THE SPIRIT? Jesus stated:
Quote the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life Therefore, the spirit of a person is that which he puts into practice in his life. And so, Christ living in me is spirit of Christ. And the Holy Spirit, is God's personal presence dwelling in me in the role of my heavenly Father.
Hi 94
You say
“Therefore, the spirit of a person is that which he puts into practice in his life.”That seems a very unbiblical definition.
Try jas 2.
Hi martian,
Actually it is more than that.
It can allow expansion of the meaning by bringing in other relevant aspects.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2009,23:03) Hi 94
You say
“Therefore, the spirit of a person is that which he puts into practice in his life.”That seems a very unbiblical definition.
G4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma
Thayer Definition:
1) the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
1a) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit)
1b) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of \\Truth\\)
1c) never referred to as a depersonalised force
2) the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
2a) the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
2b) the soul
3) a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
3a) a life giving spirit
3b) a human soul that has left the body
3c) a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
3c1) used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men
3c2) the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ
4) the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one
4a) the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.5) a movement of air (a gentle blast)
5a) of the wind, hence the wind itself
5b) breath of nostrils or mouth
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4154
Citing in TDNT: 6:332, 876G4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze
; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc.,
or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: – ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.Hi:
This is also one of the definitions under that which you have posted.
Quote 1a) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit) I believe that which you have indicated in bold type better describes the soul which is the mind, the will and emotions.
Again, Jesus stated:
Quote Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2009,18:10) Hi S,
Exactly.
Insight not practice.
a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding,and actingthe efficient source of any power
sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power
I'm sorry – I thought each of these parts of the definitions would be expressed in action or practice, if you would.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2009,20:02) Hi S,
Yes they would be so expressed
but are not in essence.
ESSENCEthe permanent as contrasted with the accidental element of being b: the individual, real, or ultimate nature of a thing especially as opposed to its existence c: the properties or attributes by means of which something can be placed in its proper class or identified as being what it is
2: something that exists : entity (Merriam-Webster's)Gal 5:22 But the fruitof the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.G2590
καρπός
karpos
Thayer Definition:
1) fruit
1a) the fruit of the trees, vines, of the fields
1b) the fruit of one’s loins, i.e. his progeny, his posterity
2) that which originates or comes from something, an effect, result
2a) work, act, deed
2b) advantage, profit, utility
2c) praises, which are presented to God as a thank offering
2d) to gather fruit (i.e. a reaped harvest) into life eternal (as into a granary), is used in fig. discourse of those who by their labours have fitted souls to obtain eternal life
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: probably from the base of G726
Citing in TDNT: 3:614, 416Sounds like essence.
Hi S,
Yes exactly.
The fruit is not the vine nor the gardener nor even the sap.The Spirit is not the fruit of itself.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 21 2009,22:41) Hi S,
Yes exactly.
The fruit is not the vine nor the gardener nor even the sap.The Spirit is not the fruit of itself.
OK! It is unwrapping for me. Shemantics!! Thanks.
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