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Hi,
The word “Paradise” occurs three times in the New Testament.
Lk 23.43
2Cor 12.4
Rev 2.7
It is not well understood as the use of the word in the world is as just another word for Heaven.
But is it?It is another synonym for 'the Coming Kingdom of GOD' which will be upon the earth.
Hence the malefactor's request:
(Luke 23:42-43) And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.Hi Adam,
Interesting thought.
The thief clearly had some grasp of the truth if he knew about the coming kingdom.
Rev 2.7 tells us the tree of life is in Paradise.
Rev 22.2 tells us the trees of life are in the new Jerusalem which will be on earth.Nick, or anyone,
Adam and Eve were presented with a choice–obey or disobey, life or death. As you say, Nick, there was a tree of life, which no doubt, adam would have been allowed to eventually eat from had he deserved it.
Adam and Eve were given the job of cultivating the earth, taking care of the animals, multiplying and filling the earth. They lived in paradise. No doubt, this paradise would have expanded, as the family grew.But, of course, things didn't go that way. If God originally intended for man to live in paradise, can anything thwart that purpose? Can Satan, or Adam or anyone change that purpose?
Hi david,
In fact they could have eaten from it.
Gen 2.16
“The Lord God commanded the man saying
'From ANY TREE in the garden you may eat freely, but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat..”
The tree of life was one of these as shown in Gen 2.9
That is why God put them out of the garden lest they did so and ate from the tree of life.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2006,23:36) Hi Adam,
Interesting thought.
The thief clearly had some grasp of the truth if he knew about the coming kingdom.
Rev 2.7 tells us the tree of life is in Paradise.
Rev 22.2 tells us the trees of life are in the new Jerusalem which will be on earth.
Hi Nick this is what i see as the theif comingRev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Sealing wickedness or righteousness must reach the throne within the life time given
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 ¶ And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.Quote (david @ June 17 2006,07:11) Nick, or anyone,
Adam and Eve were presented with a choice–obey or disobey, life or death. As you say, Nick, there was a tree of life, which no doubt, adam would have been allowed to eventually eat from had he deserved it.
Adam and Eve were given the job of cultivating the earth, taking care of the animals, multiplying and filling the earth. They lived in paradise. No doubt, this paradise would have expanded, as the family grew.But, of course, things didn't go that way. If God originally intended for man to live in paradise, can anything thwart that purpose? Can Satan, or Adam or anyone change that purpose?
No David:No one can thwart God's purpose for his children to live in paradise.
God Bless
Ummm. I think you misunderstood me. I said, or asked:
“If God originally intended for man to live in paradise, can anything thwart that purpose? Can Satan, or Adam or anyone change that purpose?”Although not answering the question, because it is obviously “no,” as you say, I agree with you: No one can thwart God's purpose for his children to live in paradise.
Just a thought
The tree of Knowledge of Good and evil gives a pride that in our eyes we are deceived we know as much as God
We were removed from the garden of eden
for God did not want us to eat from the tree of Life and stay eternally deceived of our own strengths
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he putforth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:Danger Danger
The tree of life is available again this end of the journey we face eating from the tree of knowledge OF Good and evil also
Eternal shame and condemnation
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.Pro 11:1 ¶ A false balance [is] abomination to the LORD: but a just weight [is] his delight.
Pro 11:2 [When] pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly [is] wisdom.
Pro 11:3 The integrity of the upright shall guide them: but the perverseness of transgressors shall destroy them.
Pro 11:4 Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.
Pro 11:5 The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way: but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness.
Pro 11:6 The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them: but transgressors shall be taken in [their own] naughtiness.
Pro 11:7 ¶ When a wicked man dieth, [his] expectation shall perish: and the hope of unjust [men] perisheth.
Pro 11:30 The fruit of the righteous [is] a tree of life; and he that winneth souls [is] wise.
Pro 11:31 Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner.Quote (david @ Feb. 10 2007,06:06) Ummm. I think you misunderstood me. I said, or asked:
“If God originally intended for man to live in paradise, can anything thwart that purpose? Can Satan, or Adam or anyone change that purpose?”Although not answering the question, because it is obviously “no,” as you say, I agree with you: No one can thwart God's purpose for his children to live in paradise.
Hi David:I answered the way that I did because unfortunately not every man will live in paradise although God may have intended him to live there. Only God's children will live in paradise and no one can change that.
God Bless
Quote It is not well understood as the use of the word in the world is as just another word for Heaven. But is it? I didn't really know or don't consider that people in general associate the word “paradise” with the kingdom of God.
Adam responded to Nick by saying:
Quote It is another synonym for 'the Coming Kingdom of GOD' which will be upon the earth.
Hence the malefactor's request:
(Luke 23:42-43) And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.
But this statement in no way proves that they are synonyms. The kingdom of God could bring about many changes to the world (removal of wicked, crushing of other kingdoms, earth transformed into a paradise, etc) But this statement in no way necessitates that they be synonyms.And then Morning star's belief:
Quote Paradise is Abrahams Bosom the “good” side of hades.
I don't believe this at all. But let's move on.What do others believe paradise is, particularly with reference to what Jesus said to the theif.
All will be saved, all will enjoy eternity with God at the consummation!
1Cor.15:21-28 …21 For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead.
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power.
25 For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)
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