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There is no evolutionary explanation that can ever explain pain or pleasure, Some here will try to say that Pain or Pleasure evolved as an advantage of some sort but those are the same people who believe that Evolution is “Goal oriented” which it is not.
We feel pain and pleasure by design and this is further proved by non-physical pain and pleasure such as “Feelings”
Feelings are not always advantageous at all as these are the emotions that often contribute to acting negative physically or not in our best interests.
Hi Bod.
Feelings can be tamed.
Pain has an advantage sometimes and can stop us doing crazy things through fear of the resulting pain.
Pleasure can be a temptation to sin. It depends what we take pleasure in.Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 28 2010,11:32) Hi Bod. Feelings can be tamed.
Pain has an advantage sometimes and can stop us doing crazy things through fear of the resulting pain.
Pleasure can be a temptation to sin. It depends what we take pleasure in.
Yes,We have feelings that have been designed to assist us in living physically and spiritually
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 28 2010,06:49) There is no evolutionary explanation that can ever explain pain or pleasure, Some here will try to say that Pain or Pleasure evolved as an advantage of some sort but those are the same people who believe that Evolution is “Goal oriented” which it is not. We feel pain and pleasure by design and this is further proved by non-physical pain and pleasure such as “Feelings”
Feelings are not always advantageous at all as these are the emotions that often contribute to acting negative physically or not in our best interests.
Get back to us when you can demonstrate that the fact that natural selection had no goal has any link to evolutionary adaptations.Stuart
Oh sorry duh me! I missed the point of the title
(Evidence of a Grand Designer)
Feelings are one thing most of us have in common. Weather physical or deeper, pain, pleasure or emotions. We are born with these in the makeup of our body mind and spirit.
Devoid of the mind and spirit we would be like a vegetable,
We can trace our generations back eventually to the first man and woman. And their creator;
Genisis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 28 2010,13:52) Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 28 2010,11:32) Hi Bod. Feelings can be tamed.
Pain has an advantage sometimes and can stop us doing crazy things through fear of the resulting pain.
Pleasure can be a temptation to sin. It depends what we take pleasure in.
Yes,We have feelings that have been designed to assist us in living physically and spiritually
Thats right.Any animal species incapable of feeling pain would never learn to avoid painful, harmful
actions. That animal species would very quickly become extinct.Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 01 2010,00:51) Any animal species incapable of feeling pain would never learn to avoid painful, harmful
actions. That animal species would very quickly become extinct.Tim
Perfect point!Quote (david @ Feb. 28 2010,16:38) Wouldn't pain serve as an advantage in that it stops you from hurting yourself badly?
The advantage of having pain is only useful if it hasn't evolved.Quote (TimothyVI @ Feb. 28 2010,22:51) Any animal species incapable of feeling pain would never learn to avoid painful, harmful
actions. That animal species would very quickly become extinct.Tim
You prove my point pain or pleasure or for that matter feelings of hunger and thirst are products of purpose and reason and design. If you had to evolve to feel hunger, thirst or for that matter going to the bathroom there would be no living species on the planet.Any species that would have survived without such feelings would certainly have no need to “evolve” such faculties.
Or a product of evolution.
who is to say that there were not some species that felt no pain and
that they are no longer with us.They were called dinner.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 01 2010,06:55) Or a product of evolution.
who is to say that there were not some species that felt no pain and
that they are no longer with us.They were called dinner.
Tim
Even if we say some it does not apply because if their is “Common Ancestry” as STU believes that would at some point include ALL species.If there was no original species lacking feelings there could be none today, therefore species have always had feelings.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 01 2010,08:02) Quote (TimothyVI @ Mar. 01 2010,06:55) Or a product of evolution.
who is to say that there were not some species that felt no pain and
that they are no longer with us.They were called dinner.
Tim
Even if we say some it does not apply because if their is “Common Ancestry” as STU believes that would at some point include ALL species.If there was no original species lacking feelings there could be none today, therefore species have always had feelings.
Do you understand anything at all of what we are saying?Stuart
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