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LU. ..wide is the way that leads to destruction and many go in threat, narrow is the way and straight is the gate that leds to life, and (FEW) there be that find it.
Why should JODI not say the same things, does the truth change?, should we cast away sound scriptures to conform to you “mystery religion” you trinitarians preach?
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven (see John 20:17),
or descended (see Micah 5:2)? (Spirit of Christ)
who hath gathered the wind in his fists (God)?
who hath bound the waters in a garment (God) ?
who hath established all the ends of the earth (God)?
what is his (God’s) name (JEHOVAH),
and what is his (God’s) son’s name (Jesus),
if thou canst tell?All the “who hath” that are given are all applied to ONE person and they are asking for that one person’s NAME, and then it is asked what is that person’s son’s name
Hi Jodi,
You seem to omit WHY “what is his son’s name” is even
mentioned in Proverbs 30:4, my explanations explain WHY!“but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever
he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise” (John 5:19)First THE SON descended down from heaven:
Micah 5:2: But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah,
though thou be little among the thousands of Judah,
yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;
whose goings forth have been from of old,
from everlasting.Then THE SON ascends back up into heaven:
John 20:17: Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;
for I have not yet ASCENDED to my Father:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them,
I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;
and to my God, and your God.Let’s hear you try to explain away John 20:17,
like you try to explain away Micah 5:2; OK?____________
God bless
Ed JHi Ed,
So you agreed that MONOGENES means the ‘only one to come into being ‘
but for Isaac it has a different meaning?
Hi Ed,
So you agreed that MONOGENES means the ‘only one to come into being ‘
but for Isaac it has a different meaning?
Hi Nick,
I’m really surprised you don’t why the term “only begotten” is used
It is not about being the “first-born”, but more about begetting.
Adam was a created from the dust of the ground and the first “Son of God”.
Jesus was begotten of God, AND begotten of Woman.Ishmael was created from the sperm of Abraham and Abraham’s first Son,
However, Isaac was the son of the promise made to Abraham and his wife,
Isaac is therefore Abraham and his wife’s “only begotten” son.Do you understand now?
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God bless
Ed JNick,
regarding Abraham and his “only begotten son” Isaac…
We realize that Abraham had a son Ishmael first and then a son Isaac. We also are told that Isaac is the son that was meant to participate in the promise of the covenant, not Ishmael. So, if I asked you this question:
Who was the begotten son of Abraham who received the promises?
a. Ishmael
b. Isaac
or
c. both
Answer:
Isaac was the “only begotten son” of Abraham who “received the promises,” Ishmael did not receive the covenantal promises.
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham hath offered up Isaac, being tried, and the only begotten he did offer up who did receive the promises,
I hope that helps!
Nick,
He had to be begotten/born of Sarah to receive the promise. Both the birth and the promise were required.
Hi LU,
What I am asking is that you read the scriptures and you connect scriptures together and you believe what they say. I gave you a scripture and you could not speak of that scripture all you could do was give a paragraph of your ideas, none of which actually reflects what is in the passage I gave, actually what you gave goes against the very passage. In the passage there was not a reflection of 2 Jehovahs, but one Jehovah who even declares himself as ONE and there is no one else, and that Jehovah speaks of raising a man up in righteousness, that Jehovahs says that He made the earth and is our maker, and then he speaks about the Messiah. This passage goes against your beliefs, that Jehovah is 2 persons and a pre-existing son created the earth.
I say that God took the Son of Man and made that son of man into His own son. That is pure scripture. God told David that He would take his son and make him into His own son and make him into His Firstborn Son, and that He would appoint THIS SON overall of His creation, to be a master over it. That is pure scripture.
You say God took a pre-existing son who is His only born and made him into a man, and then he became a firstborn son of the dead. Well what is he now then LU?? What you have produced from misinterpreting a NT scripture does not align in anyway with what we are told throughout the bible, it goes against it. Likewise you have used that misinterpretation to then misinterpret several other passages, changing a passage that is speaking of the Messiah chosen out of the people of the seed of David and turning him into a false image.
What you do is take a verse from the NT that speaks of the firstborn of the dead who God made the world through and for and turn him into something he is NEVER defined as in the OT something that goes AGAINST that which he is defined as in the OT and the NT. The verse in question if you read the entire chapter makes it obvious that it is speaking of the firstborn of the dead, as well as many many other verses throughout the ENTIRE bible show you it is the firstborn of the dead. This firstborn is obviously the one resurrected from the grave, as he was appointed over all of creation for being a perfected man. It is obvious because Jehovah had said that He had planned the end from the beginning, that He had planned eternal life for mankind, and scripture says that Jesus was chosen out of the people, and that he is the first to rise from the dead and be the firstfruits of God’s Spirit.
Your belief has major conflict with the written word and therefore it cannot be the truth. If you interpret one passage but it makes other passages a lie, then you do not hold the truth. Much of what you say, you cannot even produce a scripture to back it up. I point out the conflicts, where you have made one passage vanity through a misinterpretation of another, but you don’t address it. I ask that you give scripture showing where Jehovah is shown to be 2 separate persons but you cannot produce it. Truth is found where there is no conflict. Show me where I have conflict? Show me something that I have said that is against the written word? Show me something I have said that does not make sense given the written word?
I discuss scriptures with others so it can be established according to what the scriptures say, that which is true FROM the written word and that which is not.
It is TRUE from the written word that Jehovah established the end from the beginning. It is TRUE from the written word that Jehovah would take a human being from among the people and make him into His Son, make him into His firstborn, make him into a ruler over all of His creation, make him into a new man with eternal life, make him into the first of many others. It is true that the man would come in Jehovah’s name, he would be a God a mighty man unto the people, he would be a prophet, he would be a high priest, he would do nothing of himself but everything through Jehovah’s Spirit. It is the TRUTH to say that the Son of God is the perfect man, that is proven by the written word itself. It is truth to say that the one firstborn of the dead is before, head, over every man, including John, David, and Abraham. It is true to say that Jehovah established all generations from the Alpha to the Omega, from A to Z, and that He has appointed and put into the hands of the firstborn from the dead all generations from A to Z. It is true to say that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega because he is the firstborn from the dead appointed to judge every man, from the generations of which Jehovah established, from A to Z. It is true to say from the written word that when Jesus was sent out from his anointing that he was in the likeness of man, able to be tempted, however different because he did not sin.
Jehoavah brought forth all generations He did so to bring them into judgement, and He appointed a man to judge them all. Those that receive eternal life, all from A to Z, have their eternal life through a man, this man is the first from A to Z and he brings forth the last to eternal life from A to Z.
Instead of giving glory to Jehovah for His work with His Spirit unto a MAN, and giving Jesus glory for following that Spirit and the will of Jehovah, being our example, you want to give glory to 2 Jehovahs, you want to take the MAN and the glory Jehovah created in him, and turn him into a Jehovah himself.
Verses that are to be directly applied to a man, to be identified as the work of Jehovah’s Spirit, you want to change that image away from the man and say that verse is speaking of a pre-existing son. This is VERY WRONG, it shows that you do not hold the truth, you know not Jehovah nor His Son, a MAN that was BORN of Jehovah. You want to turn him into a Jehovah born a man. BACKWARDS! This very thing goes against scripture, Jehovah is not made into a mortal man, He cannot be tempted as we are. Jehovah takes the mortal man gives him His Spirit and makes him into a perfect man with eternal life, which is exactly what Jehovah promised before the world began.
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