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Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,10:53) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,03:55) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,02:41) Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,14:48) bod As long as Satan is around, we will all sin.
Georg
That is incorrect. As long as Satan is around we will all be tempted to sin but Jesus stated the Son would really set us free from being a servant of sin. I choose to believe Jesus and not the world which Satan rules.
tht doesn't mean noone can ever sin. we sin through words, actions, thoughts. you name it.christ is the only one that has not sinned, he was the only one that could save us and our great heavenly god loves us so much that he let this be.
he loved us first, we now need to love him back as his word the bible tells us to.
I thought you believed that Jesus became sin for you that he became a curse for you.
u truely are a joke. your so funny.BOD go ahead and demean jesus to basicaly nothing, thats what you do. your messiah is muhammad, you do not accept christ. therefore you do not accept god.
u accept some other god and some other some other messiah. your religion should have not copied one tht exsisted first , then try to make it something new and different.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,10:50) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,01:20) its is in the bible and tells you it is required to accept him as. if you want ot go down that narrow path leading to god's kingdom you will have too.
Why do you still sin? Are you wasting the blood and the gift?
you are not without sin.. believe you me!Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,11:16) peace2all wrote: Quote we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.
I disagree as Jesus did state that “when a Son sets you free you are free indeed” and when prompted about it he answered “anyone who sins is a servant of sin“. If you continue to sin then it is obvious that you have not been set free from being a servant to sin. That is why John in his first letter writes to the student of Jesus “if anyone does sin” showing that believers may or may not sin. He obviously does not use the word “when”. If you do fall to one of Satan’s traps then do not wallow in it but instead confess and repent of your sins and then get up and set your mind back on being righteous as God is righteous. I assure you all things are possible through God including overcoming your sins.
peace2all wrote:
Quote jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
Animal sacrifice accomplished that goal. Do you believe Jesus died only to save animals?
I challenge you to find the answer to what is accomplished by walking according to the ways of the Spirit. Some interpretations use the word “living” instead of “walking”.
we are not sin free, if we keep doing sinful things tehn we are detestable in gods eye. that why if we repent and try to d oright we are forving. man will stumble as god knows.you and BOD mus tthink you cannot sin i guess. WOW. the only person besides you called that was god's son jesus christ.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,11:16) peace2all wrote: Quote we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.
I disagree as Jesus did state that “when a Son sets you free you are free indeed” and when prompted about it he answered “anyone who sins is a servant of sin“. If you continue to sin then it is obvious that you have not been set free from being a servant to sin. That is why John in his first letter writes to the student of Jesus “if anyone does sin” showing that believers may or may not sin. He obviously does not use the word “when”. If you do fall to one of Satan’s traps then do not wallow in it but instead confess and repent of your sins and then get up and set your mind back on being righteous as God is righteous. I assure you all things are possible through God including overcoming your sins.
peace2all wrote:
Quote jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
Animal sacrifice accomplished that goal. Do you believe Jesus died only to save animals?
I challenge you to find the answer to what is accomplished by walking according to the ways of the Spirit. Some interpretations use the word “living” instead of “walking”.
Wow! That was good
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,12:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,10:52) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,03:49) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,02:41) Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,14:48) bod As long as Satan is around, we will all sin.
Georg
That is incorrect. As long as Satan is around we will all be tempted to sin but Jesus stated the Son would really set us free from being a servant of sin. I choose to believe Jesus and not the world which Satan rules.
we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.when god's kingdom takes over there will be no more death and sorrow and will then no longer be law of sin
jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
also have the hope of ressurection too.
right now this is the test beore us. when it does become established the meek will inherit the earth and reside upon it forever. no sicknes or death nor sorrow. his kingdom will be forever.
jesus is the new law. we must live to how he taught us. we must pray to god as he taught us. we must worship god as he taught us.
everything is through jesus. do yuo not see that in regards to everything. all things have been created through his son and the only way to god's kingdom is through his son christ jesus.
Satan is the ruler of this world?Now I clearly see your problem. When did Satan take over God's creation and how long have you recognized Satan as your ruler?
ruler of this system of things.
we are still imperfect and not without sin. it is not held as a dominon over us and we can be foriven for it if we truely repent
Jesus said:Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Matthew 5:47-48He wasn't talking to those who were not redeemed.
We are not perfect by our own works, but by the the gift of salvation that is given to us.
Therefore we can act and do things in a perfect way, so long as we are in Christ.
Outside of Christ and we will always fall short of God's glory no matter how hard we try to be righteous.Quote (t8 @ Dec. 07 2009,14:37) He wasn't talking to those who were not redeemed.
We are not perfect by our own works, but by the the gift of salvation that is given to us.
Therefore we can act and do things in a perfect way, so long as we are in Christ.
Outside of Christ and we will always fall short of God's glory no matter how hard we try to be righteous.
You are certainly making that up sense he said that befor the cross, remember T8 his entire message was to glorify God on earthQuote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,12:21) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,11:16) peace2all wrote: Quote we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.
I disagree as Jesus did state that “when a Son sets you free you are free indeed” and when prompted about it he answered “anyone who sins is a servant of sin“. If you continue to sin then it is obvious that you have not been set free from being a servant to sin. That is why John in his first letter writes to the student of Jesus “if anyone does sin” showing that believers may or may not sin. He obviously does not use the word “when”. If you do fall to one of Satan’s traps then do not wallow in it but instead confess and repent of your sins and then get up and set your mind back on being righteous as God is righteous. I assure you all things are possible through God including overcoming your sins.
peace2all wrote:
Quote jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
Animal sacrifice accomplished that goal. Do you believe Jesus died only to save animals?
I challenge you to find the answer to what is accomplished by walking according to the ways of the Spirit. Some interpretations use the word “living” instead of “walking”.
we are not sin free, if we keep doing sinful things tehn we are detestable in gods eye. that why if we repent and try to d oright we are forving. man will stumble as god knows.you and BOD mus tthink you cannot sin i guess. WOW. the only person besides you called that was god's son jesus christ.
Many men were called perfect and upright and Jesus himself said he did not come for the righteous but for the lost.But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:31-33Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1 Timothy 1:8-10Repent to God and lead a righteous life and then talk
you do not use scriptures talking about jesus ransom and its meaning and purpose.
so you speak of nothing to add to the discussion.
matthew 20:28 – just as the son of man did not come to be served but to serve and to give his life a ranson for many.
wow look at that i used acrpiture that pertains to the topic, not very hard to do unless you have no truth to your own belief.
ephesians 1:7 – in him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins according to the riches of his grace.
look at that another. wow.
1 timothy 2:5,6 – for there is one god and one mediator between god and men, jesus christ who gve himself a ransom for all
wow look BOD notice i use scriptures that actually talk about our topic
1 john 4:9,10 – in this love of god was manifested toward us, that god has sent his only begotten son into the world tht we might live through him. in this is love, not that we loved god but that he loved us and sent his son to be the propitation for our sins.
again BOD this scripture is in reference to topic tallks about the topic in specific words.
hebrews 10:10 – by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of christ once for all
colosians 1 :13,14 – he has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the son of his love . in whom we have redemption through hid blood, the forgiveness of sins
hebrews 9:14 – how much more shall the blood of christ, who through the eternal spirit offered himself without a spot to god
so, really i don't know nothing huh, 4 months so that must mean i'm stupid huh. look at those scriptures and read tehm for what they are. they are the truth to this topic.
all scriptures talk about jesus, his ransom and what it did for us. nothing else. they are not some off topic scriptures with no reference or topical meaning as yours do.
looks like it has been a good 4 months, god giving me his holy spirit to find and understand his word, i have been praying every night for just that for the whole 4 months.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,16:20) you do not use scriptures talking about jesus ransom and its meaning and purpose. so you speak of nothing to add to the discussion.
matthew 20:28 – just as the son of man did not come to be served but to serve and to give his life a ranson for many.
wow look at that i used acrpiture that pertains to the topic, not very hard to do unless you have no truth to your own belief.
ephesians 1:7 – in him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins according to the riches of his grace.
look at that another. wow.
1 timothy 2:5,6 – for there is one god and one mediator between god and men, jesus christ who gve himself a ransom for all
wow look BOD notice i use scriptures that actually talk about our topic
1 john 4:9,10 – in this love of god was manifested toward us, that god has sent his only begotten son into the world tht we might live through him. in this is love, not that we loved god but that he loved us and sent his son to be the propitation for our sins.
again BOD this scripture is in reference to topic tallks about the topic in specific words.
hebrews 10:10 – by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of christ once for all
colosians 1 :13,14 – he has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the son of his love . in whom we have redemption through hid blood, the forgiveness of sins
hebrews 9:14 – how much more shall the blood of christ, who through the eternal spirit offered himself without a spot to god
so, really i don't know nothing huh, 4 months so that must mean i'm stupid huh. look at those scriptures and read tehm for what they are. they are the truth to this topic.
all scriptures talk about jesus, his ransom and what it did for us. nothing else. they are not some off topic scriptures with no reference or topical meaning as yours do.
looks like it has been a good 4 months, god giving me his holy spirit to find and understand his word, i have been praying every night for just that for the whole 4 months.
Then do what Christ says and go to the Father with a repentant heart.Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,16:53) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,16:20) you do not use scriptures talking about jesus ransom and its meaning and purpose. so you speak of nothing to add to the discussion.
matthew 20:28 – just as the son of man did not come to be served but to serve and to give his life a ranson for many.
wow look at that i used acrpiture that pertains to the topic, not very hard to do unless you have no truth to your own belief.
ephesians 1:7 – in him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins according to the riches of his grace.
look at that another. wow.
1 timothy 2:5,6 – for there is one god and one mediator between god and men, jesus christ who gve himself a ransom for all
wow look BOD notice i use scriptures that actually talk about our topic
1 john 4:9,10 – in this love of god was manifested toward us, that god has sent his only begotten son into the world tht we might live through him. in this is love, not that we loved god but that he loved us and sent his son to be the propitation for our sins.
again BOD this scripture is in reference to topic tallks about the topic in specific words.
hebrews 10:10 – by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of christ once for all
colosians 1 :13,14 – he has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the son of his love . in whom we have redemption through hid blood, the forgiveness of sins
hebrews 9:14 – how much more shall the blood of christ, who through the eternal spirit offered himself without a spot to god
so, really i don't know nothing huh, 4 months so that must mean i'm stupid huh. look at those scriptures and read tehm for what they are. they are the truth to this topic.
all scriptures talk about jesus, his ransom and what it did for us. nothing else. they are not some off topic scriptures with no reference or topical meaning as yours do.
looks like it has been a good 4 months, god giving me his holy spirit to find and understand his word, i have been praying every night for just that for the whole 4 months.
Then do what Christ says and go to the Father with a repentant heart.
do the best i can everyday, one day a time.also trying to do what jesus taught that is a requirement and that is to preach the good news.
but you choose to ignore and deny, you make it hard for the truth to be told to you when you don't care to learn it. And you seem to try to Disprove god's word, when the scriptures point out hte truth to you.
i'm not even talkng about scrptures used that are not relevant or clear or specific or reference any sort of wording or idea about what hte verses tell. unlike the trinity you have to pretend and make things up to believe.
i think it would sit better if you didn't mask behind who you worship and who your messiah is because it is not the same as others but yuo act as they are.
you pretend to accept th god andmessiah in the holy scriptures yet you do not.
you cling to only quarn and muhammad, and use what you think is right to disprove and deny
youonly use a protion of the holy scriptures along with your quaran to make god out as a liar and wrong. and that you muhammad ans your allah are right.
if the god in the holy scriptures and the god in the quran are actually the same and both are supposedly his words, then it makes no sense that he would iin fact be calling himself a liar. that he is telling a different story many many centuries later a new story and to go ahead and disprove and deny his first teachings.
if you truely worship the one god almighty and his son jesus then you would stop using your supposed teachings of god to demean his other teachings. it makes no sense to irrate and hurt the supposed god of all.
makes no sense to demean god. to demean jesus. to demean his word the holy bible.
replace it with a new god and a new messiah, use many of the foundation bliefs as others then add some manmade teaching into it.
bible clearly says that our own works or actions is not the means to salvation. we have to have the works or what god wills us but that will only truely come when we have faith and the spiritual works and bleifs that is what turely is needed. all else will follow , it goes hand n hand and you will be compelled to do the sipitual works along with it.
works of the flesh never did any good. can yuo not see tht from the begining up until jesus came and created a new law a new covenant for us.
in the bible whenver a covenant was made it always included a blood sacrifice
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,07:21) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,11:16) peace2all wrote: Quote we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.
I disagree as Jesus did state that “when a Son sets you free you are free indeed” and when prompted about it he answered “anyone who sins is a servant of sin“. If you continue to sin then it is obvious that you have not been set free from being a servant to sin. That is why John in his first letter writes to the student of Jesus “if anyone does sin” showing that believers may or may not sin. He obviously does not use the word “when”. If you do fall to one of Satan’s traps then do not wallow in it but instead confess and repent of your sins and then get up and set your mind back on being righteous as God is righteous. I assure you all things are possible through God including overcoming your sins.
peace2all wrote:
Quote jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
Animal sacrifice accomplished that goal. Do you believe Jesus died only to save animals?
I challenge you to find the answer to what is accomplished by walking according to the ways of the Spirit. Some interpretations use the word “living” instead of “walking”.
we are not sin free, if we keep doing sinful things tehn we are detestable in gods eye. that why if we repent and try to d oright we are forving. man will stumble as god knows.you and BOD mus tthink you cannot sin i guess. WOW. the only person besides you called that was god's son jesus christ.
The question is do you believe Jesus when he stated that he will really set you free from being a servant of sin. Paul clearly backs up the words of Jesus by stating that when you are baptized in the Anointed One you are set free of being a servant of sin and made a servant of righteousness. John 8 and Romans 6 respectively.I admit that is a hard teaching to acccept but I also admit all things are possible through God.
We are also taught that those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit do not sin. This is the spirit we receive when we enter the new covenant and we enter that covenant when we are baptized. It is through faith we live by that spirit and God will do his part.
Do you believe Jesus when he promised the holy spirit with these words, “Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled”?
I assure you God will do what he promised through his son for all those who seek him.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2009,17:54) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,07:21) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,11:16) peace2all wrote: Quote we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.
I disagree as Jesus did state that “when a Son sets you free you are free indeed” and when prompted about it he answered “anyone who sins is a servant of sin“. If you continue to sin then it is obvious that you have not been set free from being a servant to sin. That is why John in his first letter writes to the student of Jesus “if anyone does sin” showing that believers may or may not sin. He obviously does not use the word “when”. If you do fall to one of Satan’s traps then do not wallow in it but instead confess and repent of your sins and then get up and set your mind back on being righteous as God is righteous. I assure you all things are possible through God including overcoming your sins.
peace2all wrote:
Quote jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
Animal sacrifice accomplished that goal. Do you believe Jesus died only to save animals?
I challenge you to find the answer to what is accomplished by walking according to the ways of the Spirit. Some interpretations use the word “living” instead of “walking”.
we are not sin free, if we keep doing sinful things tehn we are detestable in gods eye. that why if we repent and try to d oright we are forving. man will stumble as god knows.you and BOD mus tthink you cannot sin i guess. WOW. the only person besides you called that was god's son jesus christ.
The question is do you believe Jesus when he stated that he will really set you free from being a servant of sin. Paul clearly backs up the words of Jesus by stating that when you are baptized in the Anointed One you are set free of being a servant of sin and made a servant of righteousness. John 8 and Romans 6 respectively.I admit that is a hard teaching to acccept but I also admit all things are possible through God.
We are also taught that those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit do not sin. This is the spirit we receive when we enter the new covenant and we enter that covenant when we are baptized. It is through faith we live by that spirit and God will do his part.
Do you believe Jesus when he promised the holy spirit with these words, “Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled”?
I assure you God will do what he promised through his son for all those who seek him.
what i mean is that our dominion of sin is no longer. one can still fallshort and stumble, having done things not good in gods eye's because we are still imperfect, that is why we need to ask god for forgiveness and if we mean it and try to continue to do right by god, he will.we do not get a free pass to continue to do things destestable to god. we can still be held accountable today if one chooses to continue to d ounrighous things.
however the new law thru jesus gives us a chance to enter god's kingsom.
there still is a thing called sin. it does not rule us as is did to adam on down before jesus cleansed us with his blood.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,09:33) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2009,17:54) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,07:21) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,11:16) peace2all wrote: Quote we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.
I disagree as Jesus did state that “when a Son sets you free you are free indeed” and when prompted about it he answered “anyone who sins is a servant of sin“. If you continue to sin then it is obvious that you have not been set free from being a servant to sin. That is why John in his first letter writes to the student of Jesus “if anyone does sin” showing that believers may or may not sin. He obviously does not use the word “when”. If you do fall to one of Satan’s traps then do not wallow in it but instead confess and repent of your sins and then get up and set your mind back on being righteous as God is righteous. I assure you all things are possible through God including overcoming your sins.
peace2all wrote:
Quote jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
Animal sacrifice accomplished that goal. Do you believe Jesus died only to save animals?
I challenge you to find the answer to what is accomplished by walking according to the ways of the Spirit. Some interpretations use the word “living” instead of “walking”.
we are not sin free, if we keep doing sinful things tehn we are detestable in gods eye. that why if we repent and try to d oright we are forving. man will stumble as god knows.you and BOD mus tthink you cannot sin i guess. WOW. the only person besides you called that was god's son jesus christ.
The question is do you believe Jesus when he stated that he will really set you free from being a servant of sin. Paul clearly backs up the words of Jesus by stating that when you are baptized in the Anointed One you are set free of being a servant of sin and made a servant of righteousness. John 8 and Romans 6 respectively.I admit that is a hard teaching to acccept but I also admit all things are possible through God.
We are also taught that those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit do not sin. This is the spirit we receive when we enter the new covenant and we enter that covenant when we are baptized. It is through faith we live by that spirit and God will do his part.
Do you believe Jesus when he promised the holy spirit with these words, “Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled”?
I assure you God will do what he promised through his son for all those who seek him.
what i mean is that our dominion of sin is no longer. one can still fallshort and stumble, having done things not good in gods eye's because we are still imperfect, that is why we need to ask god for forgiveness and if we mean it and try to continue to do right by god, he will.we do not get a free pass to continue to do things destestable to god. we can still be held accountable today if one chooses to continue to d ounrighous things.
however the new law thru jesus gives us a chance to enter god's kingsom.
there still is a thing called sin. it does not rule us as is did to adam on down before jesus cleansed us with his blood.
Is there a new law?Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 09 2009,04:40) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,09:33) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2009,17:54) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,07:21) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,11:16) peace2all wrote: Quote we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.
I disagree as Jesus did state that “when a Son sets you free you are free indeed” and when prompted about it he answered “anyone who sins is a servant of sin“. If you continue to sin then it is obvious that you have not been set free from being a servant to sin. That is why John in his first letter writes to the student of Jesus “if anyone does sin” showing that believers may or may not sin. He obviously does not use the word “when”. If you do fall to one of Satan’s traps then do not wallow in it but instead confess and repent of your sins and then get up and set your mind back on being righteous as God is righteous. I assure you all things are possible through God including overcoming your sins.
peace2all wrote:
Quote jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
Animal sacrifice accomplished that goal. Do you believe Jesus died only to save animals?
I challenge you to find the answer to what is accomplished by walking according to the ways of the Spirit. Some interpretations use the word “living” instead of “walking”.
we are not sin free, if we keep doing sinful things tehn we are detestable in gods eye. that why if we repent and try to d oright we are forving. man will stumble as god knows.you and BOD mus tthink you cannot sin i guess. WOW. the only person besides you called that was god's son jesus christ.
The question is do you believe Jesus when he stated that he will really set you free from being a servant of sin. Paul clearly backs up the words of Jesus by stating that when you are baptized in the Anointed One you are set free of being a servant of sin and made a servant of righteousness. John 8 and Romans 6 respectively.I admit that is a hard teaching to acccept but I also admit all things are possible through God.
We are also taught that those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit do not sin. This is the spirit we receive when we enter the new covenant and we enter that covenant when we are baptized. It is through faith we live by that spirit and God will do his part.
Do you believe Jesus when he promised the holy spirit with these words, “Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled”?
I assure you God will do what he promised through his son for all those who seek him.
what i mean is that our dominion of sin is no longer. one can still fallshort and stumble, having done things not good in gods eye's because we are still imperfect, that is why we need to ask god for forgiveness and if we mean it and try to continue to do right by god, he will.we do not get a free pass to continue to do things destestable to god. we can still be held accountable today if one chooses to continue to d ounrighous things.
however the new law thru jesus gives us a chance to enter god's kingsom.
there still is a thing called sin. it does not rule us as is did to adam on down before jesus cleansed us with his blood.
Is there a new law?
yes there is.
what happened to adam & eve and the rest of the offspring?they were cut off from eden, god's plan for mankind, his way, his kingdom ruleship was waht is was supposed to be within the beginning.
when the sin law was made by them, they were cut off from that.
after jesus had come to earth and taught us and showed us what god's will was and then was murdered his ransom sacrifice made it possible again.
it made the sins a forgivable thing if we repent and that we now can have access god's kingdom again how it was started off in the begininig. his plan for what he wanted for man hasn't changed but the laws regarding our salvation have.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,06:11) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 09 2009,04:40) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,09:33) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2009,17:54) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,07:21) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,11:16) peace2all wrote: Quote we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.
I disagree as Jesus did state that “when a Son sets you free you are free indeed” and when prompted about it he answered “anyone who sins is a servant of sin“. If you continue to sin then it is obvious that you have not been set free from being a servant to sin. That is why John in his first letter writes to the student of Jesus “if anyone does sin” showing that believers may or may not sin. He obviously does not use the word “when”. If you do fall to one of Satan’s traps then do not wallow in it but instead confess and repent of your sins and then get up and set your mind back on being righteous as God is righteous. I assure you all things are possible through God including overcoming your sins.
peace2all wrote:
Quote jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
Animal sacrifice accomplished that goal. Do you believe Jesus died only to save animals?
I challenge you to find the answer to what is accomplished by walking according to the ways of the Spirit. Some interpretations use the word “living” instead of “walking”.
we are not sin free, if we keep doing sinful things tehn we are detestable in gods eye. that why if we repent and try to d oright we are forving. man will stumble as god knows.you and BOD mus tthink you cannot sin i guess. WOW. the only person besides you called that was god's son jesus christ.
The question is do you believe Jesus when he stated that he will really set you free from being a servant of sin. Paul clearly backs up the words of Jesus by stating that when you are baptized in the Anointed One you are set free of being a servant of sin and made a servant of righteousness. John 8 and Romans 6 respectively.I admit that is a hard teaching to acccept but I also admit all things are possible through God.
We are also taught that those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit do not sin. This is the spirit we receive when we enter the new covenant and we enter that covenant when we are baptized. It is through faith we live by that spirit and God will do his part.
Do you believe Jesus when he promised the holy spirit with these words, “Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled”?
I assure you God will do what he promised through his son for all those who seek him.
what i mean is that our dominion of sin is no longer. one can still fallshort and stumble, having done things not good in gods eye's because we are still imperfect, that is why we need to ask god for forgiveness and if we mean it and try to continue to do right by god, he will.we do not get a free pass to continue to do things destestable to god. we can still be held accountable today if one chooses to continue to d ounrighous things.
however the new law thru jesus gives us a chance to enter god's kingsom.
there still is a thing called sin. it does not rule us as is did to adam on down before jesus cleansed us with his blood.
Is there a new law?
yes there is.
what happened to adam & eve and the rest of the offspring?they were cut off from eden, god's plan for mankind, his way, his kingdom ruleship was waht is was supposed to be within the beginning.
when the sin law was made by them, they were cut off from that.
after jesus had come to earth and taught us and showed us what god's will was and then was murdered his ransom sacrifice made it possible again.
it made the sins a forgivable thing if we repent and that we now can have access god's kingdom again how it was started off in the begininig. his plan for what he wanted for man hasn't changed but the laws regarding our salvation have.
So you can go to eden now?Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 09 2009,10:31) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 09 2009,06:11) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 09 2009,04:40) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,09:33) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2009,17:54) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,07:21) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,11:16) peace2all wrote: Quote we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.
I disagree as Jesus did state that “when a Son sets you free you are free indeed” and when prompted about it he answered “anyone who sins is a servant of sin“. If you continue to sin then it is obvious that you have not been set free from being a servant to sin. That is why John in his first letter writes to the student of Jesus “if anyone does sin” showing that believers may or may not sin. He obviously does not use the word “when”. If you do fall to one of Satan’s traps then do not wallow in it but instead confess and repent of your sins and then get up and set your mind back on being righteous as God is righteous. I assure you all things are possible through God including overcoming your sins.
peace2all wrote:
Quote jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
Animal sacrifice accomplished that goal. Do you believe Jesus died only to save animals?
I challenge you to find the answer to what is accomplished by walking according to the ways of the Spirit. Some interpretations use the word “living” instead of “walking”.
we are not sin free, if we keep doing sinful things tehn we are detestable in gods eye. that why if we repent and try to d oright we are forving. man will stumble as god knows.you and BOD mus tthink you cannot sin i guess. WOW. the only person besides you called that was god's son jesus christ.
The question is do you believe Jesus when he stated that he will really set you free from being a servant of sin. Paul clearly backs up the words of Jesus by stating that when you are baptized in the Anointed One you are set free of being a servant of sin and made a servant of righteousness. John 8 and Romans 6 respectively.I admit that is a hard teaching to acccept but I also admit all things are possible through God.
We are also taught that those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit do not sin. This is the spirit we receive when we enter the new covenant and we enter that covenant when we are baptized. It is through faith we live by that spirit and God will do his part.
Do you believe Jesus when he promised the holy spirit with these words, “Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled”?
I assure you God will do what he promised through his son for all those who seek him.
what i mean is that our dominion of sin is no longer. one can still fallshort and stumble, having done things not good in gods eye's because we are still imperfect, that is why we need to ask god for forgiveness and if we mean it and try to continue to do right by god, he will.we do not get a free pass to continue to do things destestable to god. we can still be held accountable today if one chooses to continue to d ounrighous things.
however the new law thru jesus gives us a chance to enter god's kingsom.
there still is a thing called sin. it does not rule us as is did to adam on down before jesus cleansed us with his blood.
Is there a new law?
yes there is.
what happened to adam & eve and the rest of the offspring?they were cut off from eden, god's plan for mankind, his way, his kingdom ruleship was waht is was supposed to be within the beginning.
when the sin law was made by them, they were cut off from that.
after jesus had come to earth and taught us and showed us what god's will was and then was murdered his ransom sacrifice made it possible again.
it made the sins a forgivable thing if we repent and that we now can have access god's kingdom again how it was started off in the begininig. his plan for what he wanted for man hasn't changed but the laws regarding our salvation have.
So you can go to eden now?
paradise earth my friend, thats god's plan from the beginning.
man on earth living forever in peace and security under his ruleship. no sickness and death. no hate or war.eden , paradise earth, whatever BOD. don't matter you will deny it anyway.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,11:11) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 09 2009,04:40) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 08 2009,09:33) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 08 2009,17:54) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,07:21) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,11:16) peace2all wrote: Quote we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.
I disagree as Jesus did state that “when a Son sets you free you are free indeed” and when prompted about it he answered “anyone who sins is a servant of sin“. If you continue to sin then it is obvious that you have not been set free from being a servant to sin. That is why John in his first letter writes to the student of Jesus “if anyone does sin” showing that believers may or may not sin. He obviously does not use the word “when”. If you do fall to one of Satan’s traps then do not wallow in it but instead confess and repent of your sins and then get up and set your mind back on being righteous as God is righteous. I assure you all things are possible through God including overcoming your sins.
peace2all wrote:
Quote jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
Animal sacrifice accomplished that goal. Do you believe Jesus died only to save animals?
I challenge you to find the answer to what is accomplished by walking according to the ways of the Spirit. Some interpretations use the word “living” instead of “walking”.
we are not sin free, if we keep doing sinful things tehn we are detestable in gods eye. that why if we repent and try to d oright we are forving. man will stumble as god knows.you and BOD mus tthink you cannot sin i guess. WOW. the only person besides you called that was god's son jesus christ.
The question is do you believe Jesus when he stated that he will really set you free from being a servant of sin. Paul clearly backs up the words of Jesus by stating that when you are baptized in the Anointed One you are set free of being a servant of sin and made a servant of righteousness. John 8 and Romans 6 respectively.I admit that is a hard teaching to acccept but I also admit all things are possible through God.
We are also taught that those who walk according to the ways of the Spirit do not sin. This is the spirit we receive when we enter the new covenant and we enter that covenant when we are baptized. It is through faith we live by that spirit and God will do his part.
Do you believe Jesus when he promised the holy spirit with these words, “Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled”?
I assure you God will do what he promised through his son for all those who seek him.
what i mean is that our dominion of sin is no longer. one can still fallshort and stumble, having done things not good in gods eye's because we are still imperfect, that is why we need to ask god for forgiveness and if we mean it and try to continue to do right by god, he will.we do not get a free pass to continue to do things destestable to god. we can still be held accountable today if one chooses to continue to d ounrighous things.
however the new law thru jesus gives us a chance to enter god's kingsom.
there still is a thing called sin. it does not rule us as is did to adam on down before jesus cleansed us with his blood.
Is there a new law?
yes there is.
what happened to adam & eve and the rest of the offspring?they were cut off from eden, god's plan for mankind, his way, his kingdom ruleship was waht is was supposed to be within the beginning.
when the sin law was made by them, they were cut off from that.
after jesus had come to earth and taught us and showed us what god's will was and then was murdered his ransom sacrifice made it possible again.
it made the sins a forgivable thing if we repent and that we now can have access god's kingdom again how it was started off in the begininig. his plan for what he wanted for man hasn't changed but the laws regarding our salvation have.
Sin law was made by them?I thought 'elohim said “Thou shalt not touch or eat from that particular tree?”
Was not that 'elohim's law?
And all they did was transgress that law?
Psalm 58:3 Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.
Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at my birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
Poetic or Literal?
“Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast. From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother's womb you have been my God” (Psalm 22:9,10; cf. 71:5,6).
Poetic or Literal?
No one cites them to prove a doctrine of “original holiness” or “original righteousness.” Why, then, should Psalm 51:5 and 58:3 be cited to prove “original sin”?
I way in on the side of Poetic.
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