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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,20:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,16:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,11:13) Hi BD,
Were you there?
So how can you judge?
If you ask was I there how would that assist you in denying my claims when I could ask the same thing of you?So we shouldn't ask the obvious of each other but we should ask honesty and love of each other. God's words are not only in books they come out of our hearts and mouths.
Hi Bd,
Their observations are more reliable than your judgements.
I have not judged and they have not completely observed.When did the writers of the Gospels actually observe what occured at the tomb, nick?
The scriptures say that they were'nt there.
Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 28 2009,02:59) i am not being rude or trying to be mean, to me i think that these conversations has lead at least myself to look deeper into the scriptures and thus getting better understanding, however this is not benificial for any of us in regards to trying to preach and have our eyes opened if noone here is trying to really seek the truth if it is shown. I'm not saying either that all you say is wrong and i'm right but if a certain question is asked and yet one just ignores and goes on trying to disprove for no reason is not good company. i'm new here and though that people are here since it is a religous type forum that, that would be the common goal. however its not and since that this is really a waste of time.
Nothing is really being taught or learned if people just try to disprove when one shows the answer and there never being any positive result. blow for blow , shout for shout, arguement for arguement results in nothing, if nothing is being saught after.
when people get together and discuss things it is to try to show something and if one shows nothing and the other an answer then to continue to not agree or listen is not what the bible teaches us to do spiritual and not the way to grow and learn gods good word.
How can BD say the same as us – i have not been shown any proof to show a answer to a certain question, yet howver i have seen people show the way to BD constently yet to ignore it and continue to disprove, is not of one who cares for learning or growing.
If BD showed me the words scriptures that show something tangable i'd listen. however for EX the jesus ransom for man – i gave a lot and have found even more yesterday that specifically say, describing that answer with the message – and im not talking about a scripture that has 1 or two words in it that can be twisted or used to whatever way you want but only talking about christs ransom and how his shedding of blood did for us and how jesus knew what was to be when he willfully came to earth to do gods will and such. The what and why and how t othe question… then to have BD reply that jesus didn't have to didn't, didn't want to and means nothing. that he taught love has nothing to do with that question and answer period.
there is nothing wrong with debates but when one has nothing to really offer but disbelief through just not wanting to accept or trying to disprove the word of god as it is written when no shed of doubt is left when the answer is there is plan wrong.
i for one do not get anything spiritually rewarding when a defiant non beleiver speaks only to disprove an already proven question is a waste of anyones time. to continue is pointless, if you care to learn or grow or teach then you need to try to talk with those who actual want to seek it.
I never ignore anything you say.If you don't think I have the ability to teach you anything then please don't listen.
Why is it you listen at all to someone whom you believe is preaching falsely?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2009,15:03) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 28 2009,02:59) i am not being rude or trying to be mean, to me i think that these conversations has lead at least myself to look deeper into the scriptures and thus getting better understanding, however this is not benificial for any of us in regards to trying to preach and have our eyes opened if noone here is trying to really seek the truth if it is shown. I'm not saying either that all you say is wrong and i'm right but if a certain question is asked and yet one just ignores and goes on trying to disprove for no reason is not good company. i'm new here and though that people are here since it is a religous type forum that, that would be the common goal. however its not and since that this is really a waste of time.
Nothing is really being taught or learned if people just try to disprove when one shows the answer and there never being any positive result. blow for blow , shout for shout, arguement for arguement results in nothing, if nothing is being saught after.
when people get together and discuss things it is to try to show something and if one shows nothing and the other an answer then to continue to not agree or listen is not what the bible teaches us to do spiritual and not the way to grow and learn gods good word.
How can BD say the same as us – i have not been shown any proof to show a answer to a certain question, yet howver i have seen people show the way to BD constently yet to ignore it and continue to disprove, is not of one who cares for learning or growing.
If BD showed me the words scriptures that show something tangable i'd listen. however for EX the jesus ransom for man – i gave a lot and have found even more yesterday that specifically say, describing that answer with the message – and im not talking about a scripture that has 1 or two words in it that can be twisted or used to whatever way you want but only talking about christs ransom and how his shedding of blood did for us and how jesus knew what was to be when he willfully came to earth to do gods will and such. The what and why and how t othe question… then to have BD reply that jesus didn't have to didn't, didn't want to and means nothing. that he taught love has nothing to do with that question and answer period.
there is nothing wrong with debates but when one has nothing to really offer but disbelief through just not wanting to accept or trying to disprove the word of god as it is written when no shed of doubt is left when the answer is there is plan wrong.
i for one do not get anything spiritually rewarding when a defiant non beleiver speaks only to disprove an already proven question is a waste of anyones time. to continue is pointless, if you care to learn or grow or teach then you need to try to talk with those who actual want to seek it.
I never ignore anything you say.If you don't think I have the ability to teach you anything then please don't listen.
Why is it you listen at all to someone whom you believe is preaching falsely?
i don't thats why i was showing you scriptures that show you wrong, yet you don't care about gods word otherwise you would listen.you turn a blind eye and ignore and spread your own ideas. to continue to deny and try to disprove gods word yet not being able to because your wrong is your own actions and only you are judged by this.
i had only used scriptures that pertained to a specific question and was only about that topic nothing more. you however use others that are not eventalking about said topic.
thats your downfall not mine. good luck with that
you never have disclosed what religion or bible you use or maybe not a bible at all.
i c that you use the kj scriptures but only to try to disprove things.
if in fact you do use greek & hebrew scriptures then you know whats being shown to you as being gods word and in the bible. you will never win when trying to disprove or refute gods good news.
you do not really say wht you beleive in expect that you say you worship god.
so not really sure why you only argue and ignore any truth being shed to you.
i for one, when learn something makes me feel great.
don't go out of your way to ignore or disprove it when there is no positive outcome from it. ignore satan's influence and embrace the truth, it feels good.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,04:59) you never have disclosed what religion or bible you use or maybe not a bible at all. i c that you use the kj scriptures but only to try to disprove things.
if in fact you do use greek & hebrew scriptures then you know whats being shown to you as being gods word and in the bible. you will never win when trying to disprove or refute gods good news.
you do not really say wht you beleive in expect that you say you worship god.
so not really sure why you only argue and ignore any truth being shed to you.
i for one, when learn something makes me feel great.
don't go out of your way to ignore or disprove it when there is no positive outcome from it. ignore satan's influence and embrace the truth, it feels good.
I am a Believer.I submit to God, what was the religion of Adam?
What was the religion of Noah?
What was the religion of Abraham?Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,04:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2009,15:03) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 28 2009,02:59) i am not being rude or trying to be mean, to me i think that these conversations has lead at least myself to look deeper into the scriptures and thus getting better understanding, however this is not benificial for any of us in regards to trying to preach and have our eyes opened if noone here is trying to really seek the truth if it is shown. I'm not saying either that all you say is wrong and i'm right but if a certain question is asked and yet one just ignores and goes on trying to disprove for no reason is not good company. i'm new here and though that people are here since it is a religous type forum that, that would be the common goal. however its not and since that this is really a waste of time.
Nothing is really being taught or learned if people just try to disprove when one shows the answer and there never being any positive result. blow for blow , shout for shout, arguement for arguement results in nothing, if nothing is being saught after.
when people get together and discuss things it is to try to show something and if one shows nothing and the other an answer then to continue to not agree or listen is not what the bible teaches us to do spiritual and not the way to grow and learn gods good word.
How can BD say the same as us – i have not been shown any proof to show a answer to a certain question, yet howver i have seen people show the way to BD constently yet to ignore it and continue to disprove, is not of one who cares for learning or growing.
If BD showed me the words scriptures that show something tangable i'd listen. however for EX the jesus ransom for man – i gave a lot and have found even more yesterday that specifically say, describing that answer with the message – and im not talking about a scripture that has 1 or two words in it that can be twisted or used to whatever way you want but only talking about christs ransom and how his shedding of blood did for us and how jesus knew what was to be when he willfully came to earth to do gods will and such. The what and why and how t othe question… then to have BD reply that jesus didn't have to didn't, didn't want to and means nothing. that he taught love has nothing to do with that question and answer period.
there is nothing wrong with debates but when one has nothing to really offer but disbelief through just not wanting to accept or trying to disprove the word of god as it is written when no shed of doubt is left when the answer is there is plan wrong.
i for one do not get anything spiritually rewarding when a defiant non beleiver speaks only to disprove an already proven question is a waste of anyones time. to continue is pointless, if you care to learn or grow or teach then you need to try to talk with those who actual want to seek it.
I never ignore anything you say.If you don't think I have the ability to teach you anything then please don't listen.
Why is it you listen at all to someone whom you believe is preaching falsely?
i don't thats why i was showing you scriptures that show you wrong, yet you don't care about gods word otherwise you would listen.you turn a blind eye and ignore and spread your own ideas. to continue to deny and try to disprove gods word yet not being able to because your wrong is your own actions and only you are judged by this.
i had only used scriptures that pertained to a specific question and was only about that topic nothing more. you however use others that are not eventalking about said topic.
thats your downfall not mine. good luck with that
You have not shown me I was wrong you showed me scriptures and I have shown you scriptures which scriptures are right?Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 06 2009,09:58) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,04:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 28 2009,15:03) Quote (peace2all @ Nov. 28 2009,02:59) i am not being rude or trying to be mean, to me i think that these conversations has lead at least myself to look deeper into the scriptures and thus getting better understanding, however this is not benificial for any of us in regards to trying to preach and have our eyes opened if noone here is trying to really seek the truth if it is shown. I'm not saying either that all you say is wrong and i'm right but if a certain question is asked and yet one just ignores and goes on trying to disprove for no reason is not good company. i'm new here and though that people are here since it is a religous type forum that, that would be the common goal. however its not and since that this is really a waste of time.
Nothing is really being taught or learned if people just try to disprove when one shows the answer and there never being any positive result. blow for blow , shout for shout, arguement for arguement results in nothing, if nothing is being saught after.
when people get together and discuss things it is to try to show something and if one shows nothing and the other an answer then to continue to not agree or listen is not what the bible teaches us to do spiritual and not the way to grow and learn gods good word.
How can BD say the same as us – i have not been shown any proof to show a answer to a certain question, yet howver i have seen people show the way to BD constently yet to ignore it and continue to disprove, is not of one who cares for learning or growing.
If BD showed me the words scriptures that show something tangable i'd listen. however for EX the jesus ransom for man – i gave a lot and have found even more yesterday that specifically say, describing that answer with the message – and im not talking about a scripture that has 1 or two words in it that can be twisted or used to whatever way you want but only talking about christs ransom and how his shedding of blood did for us and how jesus knew what was to be when he willfully came to earth to do gods will and such. The what and why and how t othe question… then to have BD reply that jesus didn't have to didn't, didn't want to and means nothing. that he taught love has nothing to do with that question and answer period.
there is nothing wrong with debates but when one has nothing to really offer but disbelief through just not wanting to accept or trying to disprove the word of god as it is written when no shed of doubt is left when the answer is there is plan wrong.
i for one do not get anything spiritually rewarding when a defiant non beleiver speaks only to disprove an already proven question is a waste of anyones time. to continue is pointless, if you care to learn or grow or teach then you need to try to talk with those who actual want to seek it.
I never ignore anything you say.If you don't think I have the ability to teach you anything then please don't listen.
Why is it you listen at all to someone whom you believe is preaching falsely?
i don't thats why i was showing you scriptures that show you wrong, yet you don't care about gods word otherwise you would listen.you turn a blind eye and ignore and spread your own ideas. to continue to deny and try to disprove gods word yet not being able to because your wrong is your own actions and only you are judged by this.
i had only used scriptures that pertained to a specific question and was only about that topic nothing more. you however use others that are not eventalking about said topic.
thats your downfall not mine. good luck with that
You have not shown me I was wrong you showed me scriptures and I have shown you scriptures which scriptures are right?
your so in denial for gods word. YOU HAVE BEEN SHOWN BY MYSELF AND OTHERS THE TRUTH OF CERTAIN TOPICS WHICH YOU DENY.why you lie to yourself?
you have never shown supported scriptures to any discussion we've had.
every subject we have discussed i have given you scriptures that pertain to that exact topic with reference to topic.
you supply scripture that are not relating to the topic at hand.
when we talked about adam & his sin andd how it was handed down to man and caused us to be all sinners in gods eyes and not thus sin and death was handed to us all, i shown you scriptures that describe what it did and means for man.
you only said ” well he's not immortal and god wouldn't do that and other off leading questions to fade away from whats truth.
which goes hand in hand with one of the reasons why christ came and gave his ransom sacrifice for us all.
you deny that too. scriptures are shown to you in sprcific reagarding that and you say
” jesus taught love”
what the heck does that got to do with anything. not relevant to topic of his purpose of going his fathers will. Nothing at all.your very lost BOD
you deny and then added more questions leading off to some other topic not in regards to what we were talking.
we talk about jesus and his ransom sacrifice and yuo are shown scriptures that talk about and tell use what and why it means to us
you add denial and doubt to it by saying it wasn't needed and it means nothing and then you go on to say well he didn't do it on his own free will.
what does that have to do with the topic, not a dang thing.
and if it wasnt important it wouldn't be in the bible and telling us what it did and does for mankind.like i said before you cut and past a word or two from multiple verses and use that to support a view. however if the scriptue in whole is not talking about the specific topic its not relevant.
you need to use scriptures that are pertaining to said topics and actually have words in it that reference topic.
BOD you don't believe in jesus!
you ask anyone i mean anyone that knows something about or believes in him and they will tell you without missing a beat
that jesus is our savior becasue he shed his blood thru ransom sacrifice.everyone!
only people who do not love or beleive in him truthfully, do not accept.
because one cannot dismiss or deny his sacrifice for us.all religions are not good in gods eyes, not all teachings are good in gods eyes. read the bible for gods word not mans.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,11:32) BOD you don't believe in jesus!
you ask anyone i mean anyone that knows something about or believes in him and they will tell you without missing a beat
that jesus is our savior becasue he shed his blood thru ransom sacrifice.everyone!
only people who do not love or beleive in him truthfully, do not accept.
because one cannot dismiss or deny his sacrifice for us.all religions are not good in gods eyes, not all teachings are good in gods eyes. read the bible for gods word not mans.
If you believe in his sacrifice why do you still sin?Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 06 2009,19:20) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 06 2009,11:32) BOD you don't believe in jesus!
you ask anyone i mean anyone that knows something about or believes in him and they will tell you without missing a beat
that jesus is our savior becasue he shed his blood thru ransom sacrifice.everyone!
only people who do not love or beleive in him truthfully, do not accept.
because one cannot dismiss or deny his sacrifice for us.all religions are not good in gods eyes, not all teachings are good in gods eyes. read the bible for gods word not mans.
If you believe in his sacrifice why do you still sin?
what does that have to do with it being forgiven and that it no longer keeps us seperated from god's kingdomdo you even think about what you ask before asking.
you question, but you never care to listen to the answer.
so what do you accomplish yourself by these actions?
its is in the bible and tells you it is required to accept him as. if you want ot go down that narrow path leading to god's kingdom you will have too.
Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,14:48) bod As long as Satan is around, we will all sin.
Georg
That is incorrect. As long as Satan is around we will all be tempted to sin but Jesus stated the Son would really set us free from being a servant of sin. I choose to believe Jesus and not the world which Satan rules.Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,02:41) Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,14:48) bod As long as Satan is around, we will all sin.
Georg
That is incorrect. As long as Satan is around we will all be tempted to sin but Jesus stated the Son would really set us free from being a servant of sin. I choose to believe Jesus and not the world which Satan rules.
we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.when god's kingdom takes over there will be no more death and sorrow and will then no longer be law of sin
jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
also have the hope of ressurection too.
right now this is the test beore us. when it does become established the meek will inherit the earth and reside upon it forever. no sicknes or death nor sorrow. his kingdom will be forever.
jesus is the new law. we must live to how he taught us. we must pray to god as he taught us. we must worship god as he taught us.
everything is through jesus. do yuo not see that in regards to everything. all things have been created through his son and the only way to god's kingdom is through his son christ jesus.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,02:41) Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,14:48) bod As long as Satan is around, we will all sin.
Georg
That is incorrect. As long as Satan is around we will all be tempted to sin but Jesus stated the Son would really set us free from being a servant of sin. I choose to believe Jesus and not the world which Satan rules.
tht doesn't mean noone can ever sin. we sin through words, actions, thoughts. you name it.christ is the only one that has not sinned, he was the only one that could save us and our great heavenly god loves us so much that he let this be.
he loved us first, we now need to love him back as his word the bible tells us to.
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,01:20) its is in the bible and tells you it is required to accept him as. if you want ot go down that narrow path leading to god's kingdom you will have too.
Why do you still sin? Are you wasting the blood and the gift?Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,03:49) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,02:41) Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,14:48) bod As long as Satan is around, we will all sin.
Georg
That is incorrect. As long as Satan is around we will all be tempted to sin but Jesus stated the Son would really set us free from being a servant of sin. I choose to believe Jesus and not the world which Satan rules.
we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.when god's kingdom takes over there will be no more death and sorrow and will then no longer be law of sin
jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
also have the hope of ressurection too.
right now this is the test beore us. when it does become established the meek will inherit the earth and reside upon it forever. no sicknes or death nor sorrow. his kingdom will be forever.
jesus is the new law. we must live to how he taught us. we must pray to god as he taught us. we must worship god as he taught us.
everything is through jesus. do yuo not see that in regards to everything. all things have been created through his son and the only way to god's kingdom is through his son christ jesus.
Satan is the ruler of this world?Now I clearly see your problem. When did Satan take over God's creation and how long have you recognized Satan as your ruler?
Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,03:55) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,02:41) Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,14:48) bod As long as Satan is around, we will all sin.
Georg
That is incorrect. As long as Satan is around we will all be tempted to sin but Jesus stated the Son would really set us free from being a servant of sin. I choose to believe Jesus and not the world which Satan rules.
tht doesn't mean noone can ever sin. we sin through words, actions, thoughts. you name it.christ is the only one that has not sinned, he was the only one that could save us and our great heavenly god loves us so much that he let this be.
he loved us first, we now need to love him back as his word the bible tells us to.
I thought you believed that Jesus became sin for you that he became a curse for you.peace2all wrote:
Quote we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.
I disagree as Jesus did state that “when a Son sets you free you are free indeed” and when prompted about it he answered “anyone who sins is a servant of sin“. If you continue to sin then it is obvious that you have not been set free from being a servant to sin. That is why John in his first letter writes to the student of Jesus “if anyone does sin” showing that believers may or may not sin. He obviously does not use the word “when”. If you do fall to one of Satan’s traps then do not wallow in it but instead confess and repent of your sins and then get up and set your mind back on being righteous as God is righteous. I assure you all things are possible through God including overcoming your sins.
peace2all wrote:
Quote jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
Animal sacrifice accomplished that goal. Do you believe Jesus died only to save animals?
I challenge you to find the answer to what is accomplished by walking according to the ways of the Spirit. Some interpretations use the word “living” instead of “walking”.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,10:52) Quote (peace2all @ Dec. 07 2009,03:49) Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 07 2009,02:41) Quote (banana @ Dec. 06 2009,14:48) bod As long as Satan is around, we will all sin.
Georg
That is incorrect. As long as Satan is around we will all be tempted to sin but Jesus stated the Son would really set us free from being a servant of sin. I choose to believe Jesus and not the world which Satan rules.
we will not be without sin until god's kingdom is ruling over the earth. as long as satan is the ruler of the world then lawlwssness which is sin is here. there is death due to sin law.when god's kingdom takes over there will be no more death and sorrow and will then no longer be law of sin
jesus however has made it possible to have that sin burden taken, it no longer keeps us from turning to gods ways and being able to enter his kingdom, but we must repent and not continue to act as the world does, the detestable things in it.
also have the hope of ressurection too.
right now this is the test beore us. when it does become established the meek will inherit the earth and reside upon it forever. no sicknes or death nor sorrow. his kingdom will be forever.
jesus is the new law. we must live to how he taught us. we must pray to god as he taught us. we must worship god as he taught us.
everything is through jesus. do yuo not see that in regards to everything. all things have been created through his son and the only way to god's kingdom is through his son christ jesus.
Satan is the ruler of this world?Now I clearly see your problem. When did Satan take over God's creation and how long have you recognized Satan as your ruler?
ruler of this system of things.
we are still imperfect and not without sin. it is not held as a dominon over us and we can be foriven for it if we truely repent
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