Original Sin

[igorwulff]

To me it seems that Satan first sinned in the Garden of Eden when lying to Eve and making her go against the will of YHWH. Ezekiel 28:11-19, is at first about the king of Tyre, but to me it seems to be about the one who was working behind this king, the Satan.

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11 The word of the LORD came to me: 12 "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says:       " 'You were the model of perfection,       full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden,       the garden of God;       every precious stone adorned you:       ruby, topaz and emerald,       chrysolite, onyx and jasper,       sapphire, [b] turquoise and beryl. [c]       Your settings and mountings [d] were made of gold;       on the day you were created they were prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,       for so I ordained you.       You were on the holy mount of God;       you walked among the fiery stones. 15 You were blameless in your ways       from the day you were created       till wickedness was found in you. 16 Through your widespread trade       you were filled with violence,       and you sinned.       So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,       and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,       from among the fiery stones. 17 Your heart became proud       on account of your beauty,       and you corrupted your wisdom       because of your splendor.       So I threw you to the earth;       I made a spectacle of you before kings. 18 By your many sins and dishonest trade       you have desecrated your sanctuaries.       So I made a fire come out from you,       and it consumed you,       and I reduced you to ashes on the ground       in the sight of all who were watching. 19 All the nations who knew you       are appalled at you;       you have come to a horrible end       and will be no more.' "

Since the King of Tyre, wasn't in the guarden of Eden and is descibed as blameless until wickedness was found in him, I think atleast a part of it (the part about eden and such) is about the Satan. What do you think?

[Ed J]

Quote (igorwulff @ Mar. 23 2010,23:30)

go against the will of YHWH.

Hi Igorwulff,

Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.
God's Name [יהוה] transliterates directly into English as YHVH; transliterates means sounds(phonics).
God's Name [יהוה] also translates directly into English as YHVH; because the Hebrew alphabet lacks vowel representations!

GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from the Hebrew language.
Correctly translating Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however.
Some basic linguistical rules need to be considered when translating Hebrew texts.
These include a lack of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels
and the basic direction in which Hebrew is written (opposite: from right to left).
Hebrew word spacing is a modern advent that distinguishes one word from the next,
aiding both translators and multi-linguists alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds
are a concern because, correct pronunciations of Hebrew words are at risk.

GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet lacks vowels.
Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.
[יהוה] GOD’s Name   [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey  …is pronounced  YÄ-hä-vā  &  [יה] YÄ

Theomatics(encoded numbers) offers proof of this FACT as a second witness(Matt.18:16)…
       The “Divine=63” “Deity=63” of “The Bible=63” is “YHVH=63”!

                       “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2010,23:39)

Quote (igorwulff @ Mar. 23 2010,23:30) go against the will of YHWH. Hi Igorwulff, Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”. God's Name [יהוה] transliterates directly into English as YHVH; transliterates means sounds(phonics). God's Name [יהוה] also translates directly into English as YHVH; because the Hebrew alphabet lacks vowel representations! GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from the Hebrew language. Correctly translating Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however. Some basic linguistical rules need to be considered when translating Hebrew texts. These include a lack of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels and the basic direction in which Hebrew is written (opposite: from right to left). Hebrew word spacing is a modern advent that distinguishes one word from the next, aiding both translators and multi-linguists alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds are a concern because, correct pronunciations of Hebrew words are at risk. GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet lacks vowels. Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”. [יהוה] GOD’s Name   [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey  …is pronounced  YÄ-hä-vā  &  [יה] YÄ Theomatics(encoded numbers) offers proof of this FACT as a second witness(Matt.18:16)…        The “Divine=63” “Deity=63” of “The Bible=63” is “YHVH=63”!                        “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center], the “[smallest chapter]” of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of… (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

2Co 4:2 Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
This traditional term needs to be questioned.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2010,09:36)

Hi, This traditional term needs to be questioned.

nick

like which one ,you got in mind??

and how is it traditional??

Pierre

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
The term is not from scripture is it?

[Proclaimer]

Hi Nick. I think you got the 200,000 post. No prizes unfortunately.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2010,13:29)

Hi T, The term is not from scripture is it?

nick

you have lost me ?

if t8 is right then i understand

Pierre

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Adam served Satan.
We in his loins were cut off from any relationship to God.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2010,19:23)

Hi T, Adam served Satan. We in his loins were cut off from any relationship to God.

nick

right i agree with that.

but there was people always that understood that we ad to regain that connection,like Abel,Henock,Noah,and so one.

Pierre

[Tim Kraft]

Quote (igorwulff @ Mar. 23 2010,22:30)

To me it seems that Satan first sinned in the Garden of Eden when lying to Eve and making her go against the will of YHWH. Ezekiel 28:11-19, is at first about the king of Tyre, but to me it seems to be about the one who was working behind this king, the Satan. Code Sample 11 The word of the LORD came to me: 12 "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says:       " 'You were the model of perfection,       full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden,       the garden of God;       every precious stone adorned you:       ruby, topaz and emerald,       chrysolite, onyx and jasper,       sapphire, [b] turquoise and beryl. [c]       Your settings and mountings [d] were made of gold;       on the day you were created they were prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,       for so I ordained you.       You were on the holy mount of God;       you walked among the fiery stones. 15 You were blameless in your ways       from the day you were created       till wickedness was found in you. 16 Through your widespread trade       you were filled with violence,       and you sinned.       So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,       and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,       from among the fiery stones. 17 Your heart became proud       on account of your beauty,       and you corrupted your wisdom       because of your splendor.       So I threw you to the earth;       I made a spectacle of you before kings. 18 By your many sins and dishonest trade       you have desecrated your sanctuaries.       So I made a fire come out from you,       and it consumed you,       and I reduced you to ashes on the ground       in the sight of all who were watching. 19 All the nations who knew you       are appalled at you;       you have come to a horrible end       and will be no more.' " Since the King of Tyre, wasn't in the guarden of Eden and is descibed as blameless until wickedness was found in him, I think atleast a part of it (the part about eden and such) is about the Satan. What do you think?

igorwolf: Considering Satan wasn't mentioned in the Garden of Eden and YHWH was not in any of the Bibles I have read nor did Jesus ever use that term and the word sin was not even used in any Bible until Gen.Ch.4! Even then it looks like to me that it was lord Adam that gave his wife a man child. It was lord Adam who was a respector of one over the other and it was lord Adam that declared doing good it will be well for you or doing bad, sin is at the door. Is sin doing good or doing bad? Is sin believing incorrectly? Is sin the punishment for doing good or bad. Or did Adam create sin within himself by believing that he had done wrong to believe in good and evil. God never said Adam sinned. Adam never asked forgiveness for his action. I would really like to know more about sin. Thank you, TK

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