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Quote (t8 @ April 03 2010,21:11) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 25 2010,21:54) Show us using a telescope, microscope, or other finite instrument, the alternative “something” or “nothing” that caused the universe. Can't wait to see what your evidence is.
It is not me who is claiming there WAS a cause.You must have me confused with someone else.
Stuart[/quote]
Is this the closest confession we will get from you that you have absolutely no idea about the beginning?If so, then great. You do not know, therefore your comments on this subject are meaningless speculation.
Thank you.
The end.
This is a very religious outburst on your part t8. What is it that exercises you so much on this question? Are you trying to prevent the death of a god of the gaps, an untenable position in which a great deal has been invested?Is it inconceivable to you that you might allow honest uncertainty to have sway over your infallible religious cosmologcal mythology?
Big bang cosmology does not explain everything, but it explains a great deal of the evidence we have, and its “prophecy” has come true in the form of the background microwave radiation.
On the other hand, the Judeo-christian creation myth cannot deal with the idea that a cause may not be applicable in every case, and certainly explains nothing at all, if the word “explain” is to take its proper meaning.
No confessions here. Vague amusement though.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 04 2010,21:09) This is a very religious outburst on your part t8. What is it that exercises you so much on this question?
It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with observation.If you or anyone debunks God, then that such a person becomes ignorant to any evidence or signs that there is a creator. This ignorance leads a person to be presented with only that which he wants to believe in and from this, you have no option but to speculate and make theories from this limited well of knowledge.
Much of your argument about debunking God has more to do with bias and your belief system than observation, patterns, and evidence. This in turn leads you to rant on about there being no God, then you splash a bit of science in here and there (which has nothing to do with the existence of God) to make your opinion look legit.
Sorry, but you need to look at the full picture and look at all the possibilities in order to have good science. Otherwise you are exactly the thing you despise, a narrow minded religious person who can't accept anything outside his own belief system.
Quote (t8 @ April 27 2010,15:36) Quote (Stu @ April 04 2010,21:09) This is a very religious outburst on your part t8. What is it that exercises you so much on this question?
It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with observation.If you or anyone debunks God, then that such a person becomes ignorant to any evidence or signs that there is a creator. This ignorance leads a person to be presented with only that which he wants to believe in and from this, you have no option but to speculate and make theories from this limited well of knowledge.
Much of your argument about debunking God has more to do with bias and your belief system than observation, patterns, and evidence. This in turn leads you to rant on about there being no God, then you splash a bit of science in here and there (which has nothing to do with the existence of God) to make your opinion look legit.
Sorry, but you need to look at the full picture and look at all the possibilities in order to have good science. Otherwise you are exactly the thing you despise, a narrow minded religious person who can't accept anything outside his own belief system.
Which, as a statement, should segue nicely into your comprehensive explanation of why I am wrong, and why your god hypothesis is right, including an explanation for how the universe formed and how life began, complete with mechanisms.Can you, or are you full of rhetorical hot air and the need to fill gaps with a god that is no explanation at all?
Stuart
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