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Hello is1:8 & EVERYONE,
This is what I said:
Question: Jesus said that He is the beginning of the creation of God. If Jesus is the beginning of creation, then He is the first created.
If He is the first created then Col. 1:15 is concuring with Rev. 3:14. If that be so then Col. 1:16 is saying that He is the first and everything else He created.
Please explain!
I was not demanding anything IS1:8! Notice the word PLEASE which means TO MAKE GLAD! Does that sound like I was demanding!The bible is a SPIRITUAL book it is not a MAN written text that you can dissect. For example if you read the bible from Genesis STRAIGHT through Revelation you will Never understand the WORD OF GOD!
We worship Him in Spirit and Truth, not through what man deems to be the correct translation. Maybe that's why there is so much confusion and why you guys are “STILL ARGUING” about the Trinty!
Jesus is the BEGINNING, the ALPHA AND OMEGA. Beginning because He's the FIRST and He is the END because He created everything in between. Now isn't that simple!2Co 1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.
2Co 11:1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
From my observance no one is learning ANYTHING from one another! EVERYONE IS RIGHT!! And NO ONE WRONG! Why don't you guys JUST AGREE TO DISGREE and move on! You guys are a poor excuse for the body of Christ is ONE IN SPIRIT! The Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion. 1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Does that describe all of you! Author of PEACE! Where is the peace?!! Which one is smarter than the other—PRIDE— that describes all of you! I know more than you! Where is GOD in your so called debate! Maybe everyone of you should STUDY 1 COR. 12.
The one thing I learned in my 20 somewhat years of trying to walk with the Lord is to be humble. How can you hear what the Spirit says if all you hear is your own voice. NOW WAKE UP!!!!!
and pay attention to what the Spirit says. Pease to you all!
Hi k,
This is a forum pretty similar to that in which Paul spoke in Athens. All types share, mock and some listen. No unity can be expected among us till we all obey God and reborn into him. Then if we all relied on the bible only and sought the Spirit's help we might together really enjoy true dialogue.kenrch,Nov. wrote:[/quote]
Quote This is what I said:
Question: Jesus said that He is the beginning of the creation of God. If Jesus is the beginning of creation, then He is the first created.
If He is the first created then Col. 1:15 is concuring with Rev. 3:14. If that be so then Col. 1:16 is saying that He is the first and everything else He created.
Please explain!
I was not demanding anything IS1:8! Notice the word PLEASE which means TO MAKE GLAD! Does that sound like I was demanding!
Hello Kenrch,
I was refering to the exclamation mark you used. Its easy to interpret that as a 'shout' in a message board context. If I have misunderstood the way you used it then i unreservedly apologise. BTW, I get the impression English is not your first language. Is this correct? Just curious.Quote The bible is a SPIRITUAL book it is not a MAN written text that you can dissect.
I disagree. God has given us a mind. We should use it.Quote For example if you read the bible from Genesis STRAIGHT through Revelation you will Never understand the WORD OF GOD!
No not everything, but some things are overtly obvious. But what are you proposing here, should we not read and seek to understand what is written?Quote We worship Him in Spirit and Truth, not through what man deems to be the correct translation. Maybe that's why there is so much confusion and why you guys are “STILL ARGUING” about the Trinty!
Well if we follow this to its logical conclusion then would we not all accept the legitimacy of the White Mans Bible? There are some very corrupted versions Kenrch. I think we need to use discernment in this area.Quote Jesus is the BEGINNING, the ALPHA AND OMEGA. Beginning because He's the FIRST and He is the END because He created everything in between. Now isn't that simple!
I encourage you to do a study on this this title “Alpha and Omega”. You might be surprised what it actually denotes.Quote From my observance no one is learning ANYTHING from one another! EVERYONE IS RIGHT!! And NO ONE WRONG! Why don't you guys JUST AGREE TO DISGREE and move on!
I agree with you on the first statement. But that is not to say that we shouldn't be open to learning from others. We also must be discerning here too, as the Bible warns us of wolves. On the second statement (and following) I have this to say: I think Jesus is worth defending.Quote You guys are a poor excuse for the body of Christ is ONE IN SPIRIT!
You are no paragon of virtue Kenrch. You have been as disagreeable as anyone here. Judge not.Quote For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Does that describe all of you! Author of PEACE! Where is the peace?!!
Matthew 10
34Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35″For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.Luke 12
51Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two, and two against three…Dis-unity has been forecast by Jesus. Still it's important to speak the truth in love.
Quote Which one is smarter than the other—PRIDE— that describes all of you! I know more than you! Where is GOD in your so called debate! Maybe everyone of you should STUDY 1 COR. 12.
Yes, you have made a good point here. Message boards are a notorious for intellectual one-upmanship. However, I wouldn't say that it necessarily follows that because someone engages in a theological debate they are only doing it to satiate their own ego. There are other possible motives. An honest desire to defend the truth in God's word is one.Quote The one thing I learned in my 20 somewhat years of trying to walk with the Lord is to be humble. How can you hear what the Spirit says if all you hear is your own voice. NOW WAKE UP!!!!!
I'm not sure I see too much humbleness in this post, or others that you have made. I agree with the precept though.Quote and pay attention to what the Spirit says. Pease to you all!
OK Kenrch. Peace to you too.Hi,
Heb 6.1f
“Therefore leaving behind the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation ofRepentance from dead works and of
Faith towards God, of
Instructions about washings, and
Laying on of hands, and the
Resurrection of the dead, and
Eternal Judgement.And this we will do, if God permits”
If we all made sure of these basics of rebirth then we would have little to discuss except how to grow in love and knowledge.
Instead God is confused with Christ so we do not move on very far.
Hi kenrch,
I agree with you here
“The bible is a SPIRITUAL book it is not a MAN written text that you can dissect.”
Is 1.18
“I disagree. God has given us a mind. We should use it.”The mind is a useless ornament for learning spiritual matters from the bible.
Yes you can make a scientific analysis of it but only the Spirit can show us what it really means.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 05 2006,20:36) Hi kenrch,
I agree with you here
“The bible is a SPIRITUAL book it is not a MAN written text that you can dissect.”
Is 1.18
“I disagree. God has given us a mind. We should use it.”The mind is a useless ornament for learning spiritual matters from the bible.
Yes you can make a scientific analysis of it but only the Spirit can show us what it really means.
Nickbut there as well the spirit is not a given ,their are condition to obtain the help of the spirit of God
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