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I believe that Jesus Christ is who he says he is, the son of the most high God.If we are to rightly divide the word of truth then we must believe that language and words must be relied upon to determine what we are to believe.There are many verses in the word that clearly say Jesus is Gods only begotten son.When Jesus asked Peter who do you say I am,Peter's response was he was the son of the most high God.Jesus could have said sorry I am God.It says no man has seen God at any time.Who was Jesus talking to in the garden.Jesus said to his disciples the things I do you shall do and greater when I have gone to my father.If that is the truth then you and I can do greater things then God.
The odd thing about this is that I have met many people of both groups and have seen them both speak in tongues.The ability to speak in tongues, by your will ,can only be done if that person has confessed Jesus as there lord and believe in there heart that God has raised him from the dead.
(Rom's 10 -9-10)Speaking in tongues is the one manifastation or evidence (1st Cor 12-7-11) that had never done before until the day of pentecost.It says in Eph 1-13-14 that when you heard the word of truth and you believed it you recieved that holy spirit of promise.The gift of holy spirit is the guarantee that you were saved and sealed until Christs return.The evidence that you have the gift is speaking in tongues.The reason both groups have been able to speak in tongues is because any person can confess and believe Rom's 10 -9-10.Making him Lord in your life does not imply you made him God.From that point on it is a matter of renewing your mind to the rightly divided word if you are going to be a living sacrifice holy and acceptable unto God.
If your waiting for Jesus to knock you off your horse and tell you who is and who he is not you need only to open the bible and read for your self.You would have to be blind not to see it,and we know who blinds people.However,even a blind person can be healed and then see.
God BlessJohn 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”
-:33 “The Jews answred him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.“
1)So the jews believe that Jesus was saying that he was God?
2)Was Jesus saying that he was one with God?
3)what was a “Son of God” according to the Jews?
4)We all are sons of God what makes Jesus saying it so blasphemous?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,17:44) John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”
-:33 “The Jews answred him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.“
1)So the jews believe that Jesus was saying that he was God?
2)Was Jesus saying that he was one with God?
3)what was a “Son of God” according to the Jews?
4)We all are sons of God what makes Jesus saying it so blasphemous?
1. Yes they are false after all
2. Read a few verses back they're one in carrying for the sheep besides verse 29 says my father is greater then ALL=ALMIGHTY
3. Son of God according to the pharisees was equality with God again they're false.
4. Nothing of what Jesus sad was blasphemous , it's the pharisees belief that's blasphemous.Quote (teflonfanatic @ Oct. 31 2010,08:15) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,17:44) John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”
-:33 “The Jews answred him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.“
1)So the jews believe that Jesus was saying that he was God?
2)Was Jesus saying that he was one with God?
3)what was a “Son of God” according to the Jews?
4)We all are sons of God what makes Jesus saying it so blasphemous?
1. Yes they are false after all
2. Read a few verses back they're one in carrying for the sheep besides verse 29 says my father is greater then ALL=ALMIGHTY
3. Son of God according to the pharisees was equality with God again they're false.
4. Nothing of what Jesus sad was blasphemous , it's the pharisees belief that's blasphemous.
1) So your saying that what the Jews believed is False? The same people who propheised about the Messiah?
2) REad verse 28, Whose Hand? and with that Context, Jesus dared say that he was one with this “Father that is greater than all” right after making such a cliam?
3) Whose says? any proof? You must understand something, when your responding to me, you cant claim something is false just because you say so. That is not proof.
Why Would Jesus claim to be THE “Son of God” when he fully knew (like you do) that the Jews believed that the son of God is like calling your self the Almighty God??
4) Jesus didnt say that to pharasis, he said it to the jews that were around him, (vs 24) so its a common belief and not a pharasis. They wanted Jesus to be direct, is he the Christ or not.
You realize that they are also Sons of God. so what Jesus claimed must be something more.
The Pharasis spoke the truth of the law (remember luke 42
) but they didnt do it themselves.
Most of what your saying is conjecture and has no biblical support. I would advice for you to review the scripture again.
read the context.Quote If your waiting for Jesus to knock you off your horse and tell you who is and who he is not you need only to open the bible and read for your self.You would have to be blind not to see it,and we know who blinds people.However,even a blind person can be healed and then see.
Is this guy stilll in this forum or not?
anyways We cant save ourselves, neither can we cure ourselves,
This is all by the wil of God,
Luke 24:45
Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
John 5:39
You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,
searching the scriptures will not grant you eternal life,
Its by knowing Jesus Christ we are saved.We must be an encounter that is like Pauls! or even worse!
WE are like a person who is walking in a highway and we get RUNNEDOVER by 18 WHEELER!
And when an 18-wheeler crushes you, and breaks your bones, and compeletly changes your whole physical and internal features.The Fact is that for you to get up after such an impact with an 18-wheeler and NOT CHANGE is IMPOSSIBLE,
With that kind of encounter one must change and if he didnt than to say otherwise he is a liar.I cant show up late to work and say, “hey guys sorry im late, you see what had happen was that i was changing a tier in the middle of the freeway and than i got runover by an 18wheeler, my gosh, and than i was late”
And the boss will say “but your perfectly fine, its either your crazy or your a liar”Again, for someone to have that kindof encounter and not change is impossible.
GOD IS BIGGER THAN IN 18-WHEELER, we do not save ourselves, an encounter with him will change us by his will and by his GRACE.Something i learened from Paul Washer
Matthew 7
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 16 2010,17:44) John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”
-:33 “The Jews answred him, saying, for a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.“
1)So the jews believe that Jesus was saying that he was God?
2)Was Jesus saying that he was one with God?
3)what was a “Son of God” according to the Jews?
4)We all are sons of God what makes Jesus saying it so blasphemous?
the word “god” not only refers to the God himself in scriptural usage but also to those “unto whom the word of God came”. It is also used of false gods.See John 10:35, If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
So my first point is what is meant by the unbelievers rebuking Jesus Christ, by accusing Jesus Christ that he is claiming to be God himself. Are they reliable witnesses? Are these unbelievers that same ones or of the same cloth that were using false witnesses to accuse JC?
this can be more clearly seen in verse 33 For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Can a man make himself God? If Jesus Christ was God, he was God before this incident. No man can make himself God.
Jesus Christ rebukes their error in verse 34-36
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?It is Jesus Christ's own testimony that those,”unto whom the word of God came” are called gods. Yet he did not call himself god, but the son of God. Huge distinction.
We must find out who this phrase is referring to.
II Peter 1:21
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.The word of God, the prophecies came unto the holy men of God.
Namely, Moses, Isaiah, Mark, Paul etc. All these and all the writers of the word of God are those unto whom the word of God came.
Jesus Christ tells us that God himself calls these prophets, gods.
Since Jesus Christ was a prophet, he likewise has right to the God given title of “god”. Why? Because with him, as with other prophets, he spoke what God told him to speak.
He and the other prophets spoke the words of God.
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