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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 25 2010,08:53) Hi Jack The Hebrew word for “One” is “Echad” which also is a plural unity!
Here is an article that explains that the Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”….
Yachid vs. Echad The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!” There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has one exclusive meaning: the numeric, solitary oneness of God (“yachid” or “bad”).
Instead the Holy Spirit chose to use the Hebrew word, “echad” which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 “the two shall become one [echad] flesh” it is the same word for “one” that was used in Deut 6:4.
“This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study“. Source
Blessings WJ
More nonsense —
Echad (one)
It is customary for some Binitarians and most evangelical Trinitarians (especially Messianics) to propose that the Hebrew word for one, the numeral one (echad), is really “compound one.” This is a clever device which confuses logical thought. Echad occurs some 960 times in the Hebrew Bible, and it is the numeral “one.” It is a numeral adjective when it modifies a noun. “One day,” “one person,” etc. Echad is the ordinary cardinal number, “one.” Eleven in Hebrew is ten and one. Abraham “was only one,” said Ezekiel 33:24 (NASU), “only one man” (NIV).
Just as the famous Armstrongian phrase “uniplural” does not appear in the Webster’s (thus it represents the DIY grammatical venture on which Worldwide theology was done in respect to defining God), “compound one” as a definition of echad is also not recognized in standard texts describing the grammar of the Hebrew language. It is an invented grammatical category which confuses and divides.
The Hebrew word for one operates as does the word “one” in English. You can have one thing, one person. And of course the noun modified by echad may be collective, one family, one people, one flesh, as a single unit composed of two — Adam and Eve, in that case. But to say that “one” carries the meaning of “compound one” is misleading in the extreme. The basic meaning of echad given by the lexicons is “one single,” even the indefinite article “a.” Sometimes “the only one,” or even “unique” is the proper translation of echad.
Suppose now we say that “one” implies more than one. We could prove our point like this: In the phrase “one tripod,” is it not obvious that one really implies three? Does not one dozen mean that one is really 12? Or one million? Is one equivalent to a million? Does this not suggest the plurality of “one”? What about “one quartet” or “one duplex”? To carry this madness to an extreme, we could argue that in the phrase “one zebra,” the word one really means “black and white.”
What is happening here? We are being asked to believe that in the phrase “the Lord our God is one Lord,” that “one” is “compound.” That “Lord” is more than one Lord, perhaps two or perhaps three. We are being lured into a complete falsehood that “one” implies plurality. We are asked to believe this on the basis of a tiny fraction of the appearances of echad when it modifies a compound noun (the vast majority of the occurrences of echad when it does not modify a compound noun are left unmentioned). Even when “one” modifies a compound noun — one family, one cluster — the word “one” retains its meaning as “one single
” There is no such thing as “compound one” as a definition of echad.
This procedure is to confuse the numeral adjective “one” with the noun it modifies. It is to “bleed” the meaning of a compound noun back into the numeral. This will take the unwary by surprise. Thus “one flesh” is supposed to mean that one can mean more than one. The point, obviously, is that “flesh” as a combination of Adam and Eve does have a collective, family sense. But one is still one: “one flesh and not two fleshes.” “One cluster (singular) of grapes” does not in any way illustrate a plural meaning for the word “one.” “Cluster” has indeed a collective, plural sense. But one is still one: “one cluster” and not “two clusters.” Just imagine if at the check-out the clerk announces that your one dollar purchase is really “compound one.” You could become bankrupt.
So then, Yahweh, the personal name of the One God, occurs some 6,800 times. In no case does it have a plural verb, or adjective. And never is a plural pronoun put in its place. Pronouns are most useful grammatical markers, since they tell us about the nouns they stand for. The very fact that the God who is Yahweh speaks of Himself as “I” and “Me” and is referred to as “You” (singular) and “He” and “Him” thousands upon thousands of times should convince all Bible readers of the singularity of God. The fact that God further speaks of Himself in every exclusive fashion known to language —“by myself,” “all alone” etc., — only adds to this proof. “There is none besides Me,” “none before Me” and “none after Me.” “I alone am Elohim, and Yahweh.” “I created the heavens and the earth by Myself; none was with Me.”
A Sample of the Use of echad (one)
Genesis 42:13: “Joseph’s brothers said, ‘We are 12 brothers, sons of one (echad) man, in the land of Canaan. The youngest is this day with our father and one (echad) is not.’” Verse 16: “Send one (echad) of you.” Verse 19: “Let one (echad) of your brothers
” Verse 27: “One (echad) of them opened his sack.” Verse 32: “One (echad) is not.” Verse 33: “One (echad) of your brothers.” There are well over 900 other examples in the OT.http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2006-August/029380.html
Martian,
Supported.
Also, where more than one in unity is mentioned the correct terms is used 'US', 'Let us create man', 'Let us go down and confuse their language', 'for now man has become like us …'
Also, where one speaks for all: 'My name is Legion, for we are many'.
Jesus says 'I and my Father are one … just as you will be one with me'
Acts 3:26: 'To you first, God, having raised up HIS SERVANT Jesus, sent him to bless you…'
And what should we say of him who says of the Servant of God, whom God Himself calls 'His Servant', 'he is God, even our God', when even he that is the Servant of God says of himself, 'I am the son of Man' and also 'I come to do the Will of Him who sent me'
If Christ did not come as Man, but it was God who came then Christ did not come at all.
And if Christ did not come but it was God Himself, then the Gospel and the Scriptures are not fulfilled and we are still in chained in sin.
'Every One who says Christ has come in the Flesh is of God and every one who says Christ did not come in the Flesh is the AntiChrist'
WJ and TT say that Christ was God Himself.
WJ says He died as Both God and Man (A diplomatic statement if ever I heard one and makes Christ a hybrid Man-God)
TT, claims that he was God.
Either way, and both ways, they deny Christ as himself, as the Servant of God but instead raise him to the very throne of God. Is this not what Satan sought for himself?
He designed the Trinity so that man would try defile the glory of the only begotten of God and move many to give worship to Christ, in direct disobedience of God's command 'Worship God and only to Him do sacred service' so that even mighty angels fear and dissuade obeisance in case it leads to worship.Quote (JustAskin @ April 05 2010,05:37) Martian, Supported.
Also, where more than one in unity is mentioned the correct terms is used 'US', 'Let us create man', 'Let us go down and confuse their language', 'for now man has become like us …'
Also, where one speaks for all: 'My name is Legion, for we are many'.
Jesus says 'I and my Father are one … just as you will be one with me'
Acts 3:26: 'To you first, God, having raised up HIS SERVANT Jesus, sent him to bless you…'
And what should we say of him who says of the Servant of God, whom God Himself calls 'His Servant', 'he is God, even our God', when even he that is the Servant of God says of himself, 'I am the son of Man' and also 'I come to do the Will of Him who sent me'
Have you ever noticed that thinker and WJ usually disapear when they get cornered into a no win situation. Don't worry they will bring up the same slop in another thread.Quote (martian @ April 08 2010,00:56) Quote (JustAskin @ April 05 2010,05:37) Martian, Supported.
Also, where more than one in unity is mentioned the correct terms is used 'US', 'Let us create man', 'Let us go down and confuse their language', 'for now man has become like us …'
Also, where one speaks for all: 'My name is Legion, for we are many'.
Jesus says 'I and my Father are one … just as you will be one with me'
Acts 3:26: 'To you first, God, having raised up HIS SERVANT Jesus, sent him to bless you…'
And what should we say of him who says of the Servant of God, whom God Himself calls 'His Servant', 'he is God, even our God', when even he that is the Servant of God says of himself, 'I am the son of Man' and also 'I come to do the Will of Him who sent me'
Have you ever noticed that thinker and WJ usually disapear when they get cornered into a no win situation. Don't worry they will bring up the same slop in another thread.
hi Martwhat else you expect from them;2Ti 3:8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.
2Ti 3:9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
1Ti 6:4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
1Ti 6:5 and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gainQuote (martian @ April 04 2010,12:18) WorshippingJesus,Mar. wrote:Hi Jack
The Hebrew word for “One” is “Echad” which also is a plural unity!
Here is an article that explains that the Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”….
Yachid vs. Echad The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!” There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has one exclusive meaning: the numeric, solitary oneness of God (“yachid” or “bad”).
Instead the Holy Spirit chose to use the Hebrew word, “echad” which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 “the two shall become one [echad] flesh” it is the same word for “one” that was used in Deut 6:4.
“This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study“. Source
Blessings WJ
Quote (martian @ April 04 2010,12:18) More nonsense —
martianLook again! Your source doesn't even touch on the Hebrew words “yachid” or “bad”. The Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word “Echad” over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”….
Your source has their head in the sand.
“This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study” Source
Now maybe you can present a Biblical verse where this is not so?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,05:07) Quote (martian @ April 04 2010,12:18) WorshippingJesus,Mar. wrote:Hi Jack
The Hebrew word for “One” is “Echad” which also is a plural unity!
Here is an article that explains that the Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”….
Yachid vs. Echad The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!” There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has one exclusive meaning: the numeric, solitary oneness of God (“yachid” or “bad”).
Instead the Holy Spirit chose to use the Hebrew word, “echad” which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 “the two shall become one [echad] flesh” it is the same word for “one” that was used in Deut 6:4.
“This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study“. Source
Blessings WJ
Quote (martian @ April 04 2010,12:18) More nonsense —
martianLook again! Your source doesn't even touch on the Hebrew words “yachid” or “bad”. The Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word “Echad” over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”….
Your source has their head in the sand.
“This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study“
Now maybe you can present a Biblical verse where this is not so?
WJ
wj1Co 15:19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
Quote (martian @ April 07 2010,08:56) Have you ever noticed that thinker and WJ usually disapear when they get cornered into a no win situation. Don't worry they will bring up the same slop in another thread. 
Have you ever considered we didn't see the post?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,05:10) Quote (martian @ April 07 2010,08:56) Have you ever noticed that thinker and WJ usually disapear when they get cornered into a no win situation. Don't worry they will bring up the same slop in another thread. Have you ever considered we didn't see the post?
WJ
wj1Co 15:19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
do you unserstand the spirit of this??
Quote (JustAskin @ April 04 2010,13:37) And what should we say of him who says of the Servant of God, whom God Himself calls 'His Servant', 'he is God, even our God', when even he that is the Servant of God says of himself, 'I am the son of Man' and also 'I come to do the Will of Him who sent me'
The Father also calls him Lord and God! Heb 1:8-10So do the Apostles!
So should you!
WJ
Quote (terraricca @ April 07 2010,13:12) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,05:10) Quote (martian @ April 07 2010,08:56) Have you ever noticed that thinker and WJ usually disapear when they get cornered into a no win situation. Don't worry they will bring up the same slop in another thread. Have you ever considered we didn't see the post?
WJ
wj1Co 15:19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
do you unserstand the spirit of this??
TI understand that you are a pitiful person who thinks that you have all truth and only know how to condemn and critisize on this forum.
You add no substance or speak of anything of value here but only serve as a badger to irritate those who seek for the truth and who speak it!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,05:18) Quote (terraricca @ April 07 2010,13:12) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,05:10) Quote (martian @ April 07 2010,08:56) Have you ever noticed that thinker and WJ usually disapear when they get cornered into a no win situation. Don't worry they will bring up the same slop in another thread. Have you ever considered we didn't see the post?
WJ
wj1Co 15:19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
do you unserstand the spirit of this??
TI understand that you are a pitiful person who thinks that you have all truth and only know how to condemn and critisize on this forum.
You add no substance or speak of anything of value here but only serve as a badger to irratate those who seek for the truth and who speak it!
WJ
WJ
let make the record straight ,you and TT and Paul Is1 are only producing deceit ,you play in your own world ,you have been unproductive in all your ways,you have twisted the scriptures one way and then come back with the written word claiming that you produce truth ,
this is deceit,trinitarian have now option but be deceitful,because the preaching there own views not the scriptures,
if you would preach the scriptures ,we would be able to read it in the scriptures,but you are more interested in your own agenda than the gospel of Christ,
you have not produce a single advancement to the truth of God in any way ,scholar knowledge is not useful in Gods world ,the spirit of Christ is.
i do have much to say about the truth ,but this knowledge is not for the unbelievers,i do not trow my Perls to the trinitarians they will trample them as they do with the word of our father and God.
you will not always mock the word of the Lord.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,05:07) Quote (martian @ April 04 2010,12:18) WorshippingJesus,Mar. wrote:Hi Jack
The Hebrew word for “One” is “Echad” which also is a plural unity!
Here is an article that explains that the Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”….
Yachid vs. Echad The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!” There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has one exclusive meaning: the numeric, solitary oneness of God (“yachid” or “bad”).
Instead the Holy Spirit chose to use the Hebrew word, “echad” which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 “the two shall become one [echad] flesh” it is the same word for “one” that was used in Deut 6:4.
“This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study“. Source
Blessings WJ
Quote (martian @ April 04 2010,12:18) More nonsense —
martianLook again! Your source doesn't even touch on the Hebrew words “yachid” or “bad”. The Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word “Echad” over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”….
Your source has their head in the sand.
“This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study” Source
Now maybe you can present a Biblical verse where this is not so?
WJ
Why should the God choose another word for you? Echad means one just like one in the english. It can modify one individual or one group. Only your conceit in your doctrine forces it to modify Elohyim into more then one. You base your doctrine on what the Bible does not say? More nonsense.Echad Elohyim = one (singular) Mighty God
The chief application of this interpretation by Trinitarians is in the Shema found in Deuteronomy 6:4: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one (echad) LORD. Hebrew: Shema Israel, Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai echad. They believe that since elohim is a uniplural noun describing the three members of the Trinity as the one God, and echad is a uniplural adjective describing several items in one unit or group, that the Shema is a perfect description of the triune God. The Trinitarian interpretaition results in Deuteronomy 6:4 ceasing to be a verse supporting the onliness of God; it becomes a verse portraying the characteristics of their triune God. They interpret it to say: Hear O Israel, our three separate Jehovahs, is one unit of Jehovah.
Trinitarian application:
Genesis 2:24: Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one (echad) flesh.
Oneness reply:
The Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (TWOT) states: “Adam and Eve are described as “one flesh”(Genesis 2:24), which includes more than sexual unity” but when we use 1 Corinthians 6:16 as a cross reference, it appears that it means exactly sexual unity causing them to be “one flesh.” What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.Trinitarian application:
Exodus 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one (echad) voice .
Oneness reply:
One what? One person's reply? No! One voice. Does “one voice” being heard mean that of “all the people” there was only one individual speaking? Of course not! It is simply understood to be the voice of many people speaking in unison so that you heard one sound. In this text using the word echad, does “one” really mean “one” in the context that it is meant to be used?Trinitarian application:
Numbers 13:23 And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one (echad) cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff.
Oneness reply:
Again, you must ask yourself the question: One what? One grape? No. One cluster of grapes. Is one cluster of grapes the same as one grape? Absolutely not! In addition to that, the word here is grapes (plural). If echad was used in reference to the word grapes, the phrase would be nonsensical. In the phrase, “one cluster,” does one sufficiently describe what the numeral “one” is supposed to describe? Without a doubt!The majority of texts are similar:
Genesis 2:21 And LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one (echad) of his ribs.
How many ribs? Maybe God took a single rack of ribs (As you would receive a rack of barbecue ribs in a restaraunt).Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one (echad)of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
How many mountains did Abraham go to?Exodus 25:19 And make one (echad) cherub on the one (different word) end and the other cherub on the other end.
How many cherubs on one side?Leviticus 16:5 And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel two kids of the goats for sin offering, and one (echad) ram for a burnt offering.
How many rams? Maybe God meant a “whole herd”? He said one; Trinitarians claim that one is supposed to mean a group.Numbers 10:4 And if they blow but with one (echad) trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee.
Were they supposed to blow with an orchestra of trumpets in unison?
Of the 943 times (by my count) echad is translated “one,” it is translated to indicate a single character 901 times. In the remaining instances when it is involved in describing a group effort, it still means one.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,05:18) Quote (terraricca @ April 07 2010,13:12) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,05:10) Quote (martian @ April 07 2010,08:56) Have you ever noticed that thinker and WJ usually disapear when they get cornered into a no win situation. Don't worry they will bring up the same slop in another thread. Have you ever considered we didn't see the post?
WJ
wj1Co 15:19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
do you unserstand the spirit of this??
TI understand that you are a pitiful person who thinks that you have all truth and only know how to condemn and critisize on this forum.
You add no substance or speak of anything of value here but only serve as a badger to irritate those who seek for the truth and who speak it!
WJ
You assume that Elohyim is plural as in more then one and use that noun to modify the adjective into a plural. Exactly backwards.
First Elohyim means singular “mighty God” and Echad is the adjective meaning “one” that modifies the noun.Quote (terraricca @ April 07 2010,14:45) T i do have much to say about the truth ,but this knowledge is not for the unbelievers,i do not trow my Perls to the trinitarians they will trample them as they do with the word of our father and God.
you will not always mock the word of the Lord.
tPearls? You have shown nothing but meaness and ugliness and false accusations and condemnation. You claim that we are being decietful, yet you do not show us how or where we are.
You are like a little school girl that throws little pebbles and sticks out her little tongue and crys nah nah nah nah nah nah and then runs and hides behind Momma when things get tough!
Grow up and stop it with your forked tongue and lashing out at others rather than engaging in mature debate, as I said you are getting anoying and it is becomming harrasing.
You say you do not share with unbelievers, then what is your purpose here, is it just to agitate others?
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,09:04) Quote (terraricca @ April 07 2010,14:45) T i do have much to say about the truth ,but this knowledge is not for the unbelievers,i do not trow my Perls to the trinitarians they will trample them as they do with the word of our father and God.
you will not always mock the word of the Lord.
tPearls? You have shown nothing but meaness and ugliness and false accusations and condemnation. You claim that we are being decietful, yet you do not show us how or where we are.
You are like a little school girl that throws little pebbles and sticks out her little tongue and crys nah nah nah nah nah nah and then runs and hides behind Momma when things get tough!
Grow up and stop it with your forked tongue and lashing out at others rather than engaging in mature debate, as I said you are getting anoying and it is becomming harrasing.
You say you do not share with unbelievers, then what is your purpose here, is it just to agitate others?
WJ
Wjif you twist the scriptures you become a unbeliever ,
Jesus say; if you believe me you will obey me “”
it does not take much to figure this out,the trinity is not in the bible so you teach something from yourself that called men teachings,
so you place yourself on the unbeliever side,
just like a person who practice sin becomes a sinner and by it is not declared righteous,
you say i am like a child ,well you have the word out of that child ,and the scriptures says “the truth come out of children mouth”
Martian said:
Quote Have you ever noticed that thinker and WJ usually disapear when they get cornered into a no win situation. Don't worry they will bring up the same slop in another thread.
Hi Martian,
I am busy on the debates thread if you haven't noticed. I do have a life outside this board. Trinitarians are busy serving God while anti-trinitarians only talk about it.
bye Martian
thinker
terraricca said:
Quote Jesus say; if you believe me you will obey me “” t,
Then obey Jesus and confess Him as your only Master and Lord (Jude 4).
thinker
Quote (terraricca @ April 07 2010,17:45) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 08 2010,09:04) Quote (terraricca @ April 07 2010,14:45) T i do have much to say about the truth ,but this knowledge is not for the unbelievers,i do not trow my Perls to the trinitarians they will trample them as they do with the word of our father and God.
you will not always mock the word of the Lord.
tPearls? You have shown nothing but meaness and ugliness and false accusations and condemnation. You claim that we are being decietful, yet you do not show us how or where we are.
You are like a little school girl that throws little pebbles and sticks out her little tongue and crys nah nah nah nah nah nah and then runs and hides behind Momma when things get tough!
Grow up and stop it with your forked tongue and lashing out at others rather than engaging in mature debate, as I said you are getting anoying and it is becomming harrasing.
You say you do not share with unbelievers, then what is your purpose here, is it just to agitate others?
WJ
Wjif you twist the scriptures you become a unbeliever ,
Jesus say; if you believe me you will obey me “”
it does not take much to figure this out,the trinity is not in the bible so you teach something from yourself that called men teachings,
so you place yourself on the unbeliever side,
just like a person who practice sin becomes a sinner and by it is not declared righteous,
you say i am like a child ,well you have the word out of that child ,and the scriptures says “the truth come out of children mouth”
TThanks for admitting you are a child, now I understand!
WJ
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