One flesh does not mean one in purpose.

[KangarooJack]

TO ALL:

The anti-trinitarians here argue that the word “ONE LORD” (Deut. 6:4) argues that Christ cannot be God. WJ and I have tried to show you time and time again that the Hebrew word for “one” is “echad” and often refers to a plural one. We have given the example of Moses saying that the husband and his wife shall be “one flesh.”

But some of you guys have explained this statement away saying that it does not mean one flesh but “one in purpose.” A scripture came to me that blows away your theory that “one flesh” means “one in purpose.”

8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18:8

Read it and weep! The man and his wife are one FLESH.

Now take a closer look at Deuteronomy 6:4:

4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (plural), the LORD is one!

The word “God” is plural. It says that the plural God is one LORD. Get with God's word guys!

thinker

[Worshipping Jesus]

Hi Jack

The Hebrew word for “One” is “Echad” which also is a plural unity!

Here is an article that explains that the Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”….

Yachid vs. Echad The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!” There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has one exclusive meaning: the numeric, solitary oneness of God (“yachid” or “bad”).

Instead the Holy Spirit chose to use the Hebrew word, “echad” which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 “the two shall become one [echad] flesh” it is the same word for “one” that was used in Deut 6:4.

“This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study“.  Source

Blessings WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
God and His Son and those in His Son and in Him are one in SPIRIT

[terraricca]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 25 2010,08:53)

Hi Jack The Hebrew word for “One” is “Echad” which also is a plural unity! Here is an article that explains that the Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”…. Yachid vs. Echad The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!” There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has one exclusive meaning: the numeric, solitary oneness of God (“yachid” or “bad”). Instead the Holy Spirit chose to use the Hebrew word, “echad” which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 “the two shall become one [echad] flesh” it is the same word for “one” that was used in Deut 6:4. “This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study“.  Source Blessings WJ

WJ

i read your source ,a child could see that God is one and not two,

you are ridiculous to state that this is of something for anti trinitarians,
it is more against trinitarians than ever ,

you never could answer the scriptures that says that God is one even Jesus say that but you don't have an answer.

so you rather break the written word to teach what are your interests

[KangarooJack]

Worshippingjesus said:

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“This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study”.  Source

WJ,

It is DOUBLE trouble for the anti-trinitarians. Moses chose the word “echad” which often indicated a plural unity. He also chose the word “Elohim” which is the plural form of the word “God.” The singular is “Eloah.”

Moses said: “hear O Israel, for the Lord your Elohim (plural) is one.”

Moses did not say, “hear O Israel, for the Lord your Eloah is one.”

So the use of the word “echad” for “one” plus the use of the plural “Elohim” instead of “Eloah” makes DOUBLE trouble for anti-trinitarians and is the reason why they will never get rid of us.

thinker

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 25 2010,08:53)

Hi Jack The Hebrew word for “One” is “Echad” which also is a plural unity! Here is an article that explains that the Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”…. Yachid vs. Echad The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!” There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has one exclusive meaning: the numeric, solitary oneness of God (“yachid” or “bad”). Instead the Holy Spirit chose to use the Hebrew word, “Echad” which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 “the two shall become one [Echad] flesh” it is the same word for “one” that was used in Deut 6:4.   “This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study“.  Source Blessings WJ

WJ

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06)

i read your source ,a child could see that God is one and not two,

T

Well it is obvious by your statement a child cannot see that God is a plural unity.

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06)

[you are ridiculous to state that this is of something for anti trinitarians, it is more against trinitarians than ever,

I would like to know how that is, being that the Holy Spirit never used the word “Yachid” in referring to God for solitary oneness but instead used the word “Echad” for a unified one.

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06)

..you never could answer the scriptures that says that God is one even Jesus say that but you don't have an answer.

I don't have to answer, the Apostle John the narrator and writer of the Gospel of John answers for me…

Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, “but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:18

John understood like the Jews understood that to say you were the only Son of God meant equality with God.

If Jesus being the Son of God was common then what was the big deal about the demons screaming out calling him the Son of God and Peter’s divine revelation of him being the Son of God.

Jesus is the “Only Son of God”, the rest of us are adopted sons.

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06)

so you rather break the written word to teach what are your interests

No it is you who breaks the scriptures because you reject Jesus being called God when the scriptures call him God!

WJ

[KangarooJack]

WJ said to terraricca:

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If Jesus being the Son of God was common then what was the big deal about the demons screaming out calling him the Son of God and Peter’s divine revelation of him being the Son of God.

Keith,

EXCELLENT POINT! If all Jews were sons of God in the sense that Jesus was then why didn't the demons call out their names too? And why did the soldiers fall down to their knees when they came to arrest Him after He confessed Himself to be the Son of God? How many Jewish men could say, “I am a son of God” and cause the legal authorities to fall down on their knees?

These guys and gals here better repent before it's too late for them.

Jack

[942767]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 25 2010,08:21)

TO ALL: The anti-trinitarians here argue that the word “ONE LORD” (Deut. 6:4) argues that Christ cannot be God. WJ and I have tried to show you time and time again that the Hebrew word for “one” is “echad” and often refers to a plural one. We have given the example of Moses saying that the husband and his wife shall be “one flesh.” But some of you guys have explained this statement away saying that it does not mean one flesh but “one in purpose.” A scripture came to me that blows away your theory that “one flesh” means “one in purpose.” 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18:8 Read it and weep! The man and his wife are one FLESH. Now take a closer look at Deuteronomy 6:4: 4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (plural), the LORD is one! The word “God” is plural. It says that the plural God is one LORD. Get with God's word guys! thinker

Hi thethinker:

My wife and I may be one flesh, but:

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16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

Not necessarily “one spirit” unless we are both submitted to God through the Lord Jesus.  

In the same way, Jesus is “one in the spirit” with the Father.  He is submitted to the Father through His Word.

The head of Christ is God, and the head of man is Christ, and the head a woman is man.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2010,20:00)

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 25 2010,08:21) TO ALL: The anti-trinitarians here argue that the word “ONE LORD” (Deut. 6:4) argues that Christ cannot be God. WJ and I have tried to show you time and time again that the Hebrew word for “one” is “echad” and often refers to a plural one. We have given the example of Moses saying that the husband and his wife shall be “one flesh.” But some of you guys have explained this statement away saying that it does not mean one flesh but “one in purpose.” A scripture came to me that blows away your theory that “one flesh” means “one in purpose.” 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18:8 Read it and weep! The man and his wife are one FLESH. Now take a closer look at Deuteronomy 6:4: 4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (plural), the LORD is one! The word “God” is plural. It says that the plural God is one LORD. Get with God's word guys! thinker Hi thethinker: My wife and I may be one flesh, but: Quote 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Not necessarily “one spirit” unless we are both submitted to God through the Lord Jesus.   In the same way, Jesus is “one in the spirit” with the Father.  He is submitted to the Father through His Word. The head of Christ is God, and the head of man is Christ, and the head a woman is man. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

But the scripture you use does not support your theory at all.

You are the head of your wife, but are you a greater human being than she?

Blessings WJ

[942767]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,12:38)

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2010,20:00) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 25 2010,08:21) TO ALL: The anti-trinitarians here argue that the word “ONE LORD” (Deut. 6:4) argues that Christ cannot be God. WJ and I have tried to show you time and time again that the Hebrew word for “one” is “echad” and often refers to a plural one. We have given the example of Moses saying that the husband and his wife shall be “one flesh.” But some of you guys have explained this statement away saying that it does not mean one flesh but “one in purpose.” A scripture came to me that blows away your theory that “one flesh” means “one in purpose.” 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18:8 Read it and weep! The man and his wife are one FLESH. Now take a closer look at Deuteronomy 6:4: 4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (plural), the LORD is one! The word “God” is plural. It says that the plural God is one LORD. Get with God's word guys! thinker Hi thethinker: My wife and I may be one flesh, but: Quote 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Not necessarily “one spirit” unless we are both submitted to God through the Lord Jesus.   In the same way, Jesus is “one in the spirit” with the Father.  He is submitted to the Father through His Word. The head of Christ is God, and the head of man is Christ, and the head a woman is man. Love in Christ, Marty Marty But the scripture you use does not support your theory at all. You are the head of your wife, but are you a greater human being than she? Blessings WJ

Hi WJ:

What theory are you talking about. Of Course, I am not greater that my wife, but God is greater than all including Jesus and we are submitted to him through obedience to His Word.

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Ephesians 4:4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,10:33)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 25 2010,08:53) Hi Jack The Hebrew word for “One” is “Echad” which also is a plural unity! Here is an article that explains that the Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”…. Yachid vs. Echad The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!” There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has one exclusive meaning: the numeric, solitary oneness of God (“yachid” or “bad”). Instead the Holy Spirit chose to use the Hebrew word, “Echad” which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 “the two shall become one [Echad] flesh” it is the same word for “one” that was used in Deut 6:4.   “This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study“.  Source Blessings WJ WJ Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06) i read your source ,a child could see that God is one and not two, T Well it is obvious by your statement a child cannot see that God is a plural unity. Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06) [you are ridiculous to state that this is of something for anti trinitarians, it is more against trinitarians than ever, I would like to know how that is, being that the Holy Spirit never used the word “Yachid” in referring to God for solitary oneness but instead used the word “Echad” for a unified one. Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06) ..you never could answer the scriptures that says that God is one even Jesus say that but you don't have an answer. I don't have to answer, the Apostle John the narrator and writer of the Gospel of John answers for me… Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, “but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:18 John understood like the Jews understood that to say you were the only Son of God meant equality with God. If Jesus being the Son of God was common then what was the big deal about the demons screaming out calling him the Son of God and Peter’s divine revelation of him being the Son of God. Jesus is the “Only Son of God”, the rest of us are adopted sons. Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06) so you rather break the written word to teach what are your interests No it is you who breaks the scriptures because you reject Jesus being called God when the scriptures call him God! WJ

wj

just answer this scripture;Dt 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Dt 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.

Lk 4:8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only

Lk 6:49 But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”

this is enough scriptures for a true righteous believer, but not all are looking for the truth of God,

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2010,20:55)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,10:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 25 2010,08:53) Hi Jack The Hebrew word for “One” is “Echad” which also is a plural unity! Here is an article that explains that the Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”…. Yachid vs. Echad The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!” There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has one exclusive meaning: the numeric, solitary oneness of God (“yachid” or “bad”). Instead the Holy Spirit chose to use the Hebrew word, “Echad” which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 “the two shall become one [Echad] flesh” it is the same word for “one” that was used in Deut 6:4.   “This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study“.  Source Blessings WJ WJ Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06) i read your source ,a child could see that God is one and not two, T Well it is obvious by your statement a child cannot see that God is a plural unity. Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06) [you are ridiculous to state that this is of something for anti trinitarians, it is more against trinitarians than ever, I would like to know how that is, being that the Holy Spirit never used the word “Yachid” in referring to God for solitary oneness but instead used the word “Echad” for a unified one. Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06) ..you never could answer the scriptures that says that God is one even Jesus say that but you don't have an answer. I don't have to answer, the Apostle John the narrator and writer of the Gospel of John answers for me… Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, “but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:18 John understood like the Jews understood that to say you were the only Son of God meant equality with God. If Jesus being the Son of God was common then what was the big deal about the demons screaming out calling him the Son of God and Peter’s divine revelation of him being the Son of God. Jesus is the “Only Son of God”, the rest of us are adopted sons. Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06) so you rather break the written word to teach what are your interests No it is you who breaks the scriptures because you reject Jesus being called God when the scriptures call him God! WJ wj just answer this scripture;Dt 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Dt 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. Lk 4:8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only Lk 6:49 But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.” this is enough scriptures for a true righteous believer, but not all are looking for the truth of God,

T

What do you know about my heart and desire for the truth?

We show you the truth and you reject it!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2010,20:45)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,12:38) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2010,20:00) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 25 2010,08:21) TO ALL: The anti-trinitarians here argue that the word “ONE LORD” (Deut. 6:4) argues that Christ cannot be God. WJ and I have tried to show you time and time again that the Hebrew word for “one” is “echad” and often refers to a plural one. We have given the example of Moses saying that the husband and his wife shall be “one flesh.” But some of you guys have explained this statement away saying that it does not mean one flesh but “one in purpose.” A scripture came to me that blows away your theory that “one flesh” means “one in purpose.” 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18:8 Read it and weep! The man and his wife are one FLESH. Now take a closer look at Deuteronomy 6:4: 4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (plural), the LORD is one! The word “God” is plural. It says that the plural God is one LORD. Get with God's word guys! thinker Hi thethinker: My wife and I may be one flesh, but: Quote 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Not necessarily “one spirit” unless we are both submitted to God through the Lord Jesus.   In the same way, Jesus is “one in the spirit” with the Father.  He is submitted to the Father through His Word. The head of Christ is God, and the head of man is Christ, and the head a woman is man. Love in Christ, Marty Marty But the scripture you use does not support your theory at all. You are the head of your wife, but are you a greater human being than she? Blessings WJ Hi WJ: What theory are you talking about.  Of Course, I am not greater that my wife, but God is greater than all including Jesus and we are submitted to him through obedience to His Word. Quote Ephesians 4:4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty

Thank you for admitting that you are not greater than your wife, then the scripture you use does not prove that the Father is greater than Jesus in nature.

Now you say that he is greater than Jesus now, but you are denying that Jesus has been given all authority and power and all things are being subjected to him. Therefore Jesus is equal to the Father in authority and power since all things has been given to him!

WJ

[942767]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,13:46)

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2010,20:45) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,12:38) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2010,20:00) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 25 2010,08:21) TO ALL: The anti-trinitarians here argue that the word “ONE LORD” (Deut. 6:4) argues that Christ cannot be God. WJ and I have tried to show you time and time again that the Hebrew word for “one” is “echad” and often refers to a plural one. We have given the example of Moses saying that the husband and his wife shall be “one flesh.” But some of you guys have explained this statement away saying that it does not mean one flesh but “one in purpose.” A scripture came to me that blows away your theory that “one flesh” means “one in purpose.” 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18:8 Read it and weep! The man and his wife are one FLESH. Now take a closer look at Deuteronomy 6:4: 4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (plural), the LORD is one! The word “God” is plural. It says that the plural God is one LORD. Get with God's word guys! thinker Hi thethinker: My wife and I may be one flesh, but: Quote 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Not necessarily “one spirit” unless we are both submitted to God through the Lord Jesus.   In the same way, Jesus is “one in the spirit” with the Father.  He is submitted to the Father through His Word. The head of Christ is God, and the head of man is Christ, and the head a woman is man. Love in Christ, Marty Marty But the scripture you use does not support your theory at all. You are the head of your wife, but are you a greater human being than she? Blessings WJ Hi WJ: What theory are you talking about.  Of Course, I am not greater that my wife, but God is greater than all including Jesus and we are submitted to him through obedience to His Word. Quote Ephesians 4:4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Love in Christ, Marty Marty Thank you for admitting that you are not greater than your wife, then the scripture you use does not prove that the Father is greater than Jesus in nature. Now you say that he is greater than Jesus now, but you are denying that Jesus has been given all authority and power and all things are being subjected to him. Therefore Jesus is equal to the Father in authority and power since all things has been given to him! WJ

Hi WJ:

You are trying desperately to put words in my mouth. I have never denied the authority that Jesus has as head of the church. I have confessed him as my Lord. He has authority over all humanity, by virtue that God has given this authority to him. He is in the “form of God” as God's representative

But he does not have authority over God, and so he is not equal in authority to God.

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27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[KangarooJack]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,12:38)

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2010,20:00) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 25 2010,08:21) TO ALL: The anti-trinitarians here argue that the word “ONE LORD” (Deut. 6:4) argues that Christ cannot be God. WJ and I have tried to show you time and time again that the Hebrew word for “one” is “echad” and often refers to a plural one. We have given the example of Moses saying that the husband and his wife shall be “one flesh.” But some of you guys have explained this statement away saying that it does not mean one flesh but “one in purpose.” A scripture came to me that blows away your theory that “one flesh” means “one in purpose.” 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18:8 Read it and weep! The man and his wife are one FLESH. Now take a closer look at Deuteronomy 6:4: 4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (plural), the LORD is one! The word “God” is plural. It says that the plural God is one LORD. Get with God's word guys! thinker Hi thethinker: My wife and I may be one flesh, but: Quote 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Not necessarily “one spirit” unless we are both submitted to God through the Lord Jesus.   In the same way, Jesus is “one in the spirit” with the Father.  He is submitted to the Father through His Word. The head of Christ is God, and the head of man is Christ, and the head a woman is man. Love in Christ, Marty Marty But the scripture you use does not support your theory at all. You are the head of your wife, but are you a greater human being than she? Blessings WJ

Keith,

The anti-trinitarians know that the man is not greater than his wife. When God first married the man and the woman there was no “headship” of the man. The man became the head after sin came into the picture. Anti-trinitarians overlook this fact. And they downright ignore that Paul added,  “the woman is nothing without the man and the man is nothing without the woman.” He was asserting their essential equality.

By implication therefore Christ is essentially equal with God.

thinker

[942767]

Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,14:24)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,12:38) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2010,20:00) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 25 2010,08:21) TO ALL: The anti-trinitarians here argue that the word “ONE LORD” (Deut. 6:4) argues that Christ cannot be God. WJ and I have tried to show you time and time again that the Hebrew word for “one” is “echad” and often refers to a plural one. We have given the example of Moses saying that the husband and his wife shall be “one flesh.” But some of you guys have explained this statement away saying that it does not mean one flesh but “one in purpose.” A scripture came to me that blows away your theory that “one flesh” means “one in purpose.” 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18:8 Read it and weep! The man and his wife are one FLESH. Now take a closer look at Deuteronomy 6:4: 4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (plural), the LORD is one! The word “God” is plural. It says that the plural God is one LORD. Get with God's word guys! thinker Hi thethinker: My wife and I may be one flesh, but: Quote 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Not necessarily “one spirit” unless we are both submitted to God through the Lord Jesus.   In the same way, Jesus is “one in the spirit” with the Father.  He is submitted to the Father through His Word. The head of Christ is God, and the head of man is Christ, and the head a woman is man. Love in Christ, Marty Marty But the scripture you use does not support your theory at all. You are the head of your wife, but are you a greater human being than she? Blessings WJ Keith, The anti-trinitarians know that the man is not greater than his wife. When God first married the man and the woman there was no “headship” of the man. The man became the head after sin came into the picture. Anti-trinitarians overlook this fact. And they downright ignore that Paul added,  “the woman is nothing without the man and the man is nothing without the woman.” He was asserting their essential equality. By implication therefore Christ is essentially equal with God. thinker

Hi thethinker:

God have the commandment that he should not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It was his responsibility to share this commandment with Eve which obviously did.

But when his wife ate, instead of taking the responsiblity to say no, when Eve ate he also ate.

This is what the scripture states:

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Genesis 3:9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. 11And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Can you not see. God did not call for Eve. He called for Adam, and that is because it was Adam's responsibility to guard his commandment.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[KangarooJack]

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Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,14:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,12:38) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2010,20:00) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 25 2010,08:21) TO ALL: The anti-trinitarians here argue that the word “ONE LORD” (Deut. 6:4) argues that Christ cannot be God. WJ and I have tried to show you time and time again that the Hebrew word for “one” is “echad” and often refers to a plural one. We have given the example of Moses saying that the husband and his wife shall be “one flesh.” But some of you guys have explained this statement away saying that it does not mean one flesh but “one in purpose.” A scripture came to me that blows away your theory that “one flesh” means “one in purpose.” 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18:8 Read it and weep! The man and his wife are one FLESH. Now take a closer look at Deuteronomy 6:4: 4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (plural), the LORD is one! The word “God” is plural. It says that the plural God is one LORD. Get with God's word guys! thinker Hi thethinker: My wife and I may be one flesh, but: Quote 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Not necessarily “one spirit” unless we are both submitted to God through the Lord Jesus.   In the same way, Jesus is “one in the spirit” with the Father.  He is submitted to the Father through His Word. The head of Christ is God, and the head of man is Christ, and the head a woman is man. Love in Christ, Marty Marty But the scripture you use does not support your theory at all. You are the head of your wife, but are you a greater human being than she? Blessings WJ Keith, The anti-trinitarians know that the man is not greater than his wife. When God first married the man and the woman there was no “headship” of the man. The man became the head after sin came into the picture. Anti-trinitarians overlook this fact. And they downright ignore that Paul added,  “the woman is nothing without the man and the man is nothing without the woman.” He was asserting their essential equality. By implication therefore Christ is essentially equal with God. thinker Hi thethinker: God have the commandment that he should not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  It was his responsibility to share this commandment with Eve which obviously did. But when his wife ate, instead of taking the responsiblity to say no, when Eve ate he also ate. This is what the scripture states: Quote Genesis 3:9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. 11And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. Can you not see.  God did not call for Eve.  He called for Adam, and that is because it was Adam's responsibility to guard his commandment. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,

How does what you say prove that the woman was lesser before they had sinned?

Adam was the head after they had sinned. Paul had clarified his headship of the man principle by adding that the man is “nothing” without the woman and that the woman is “nothing” without the man.

The headship of the man principle was an old covenant principle. In Christ the headship of the man principle was abrogated. The woman is once again equal with the man as she was before sin entered into the picture. So find another scripture which you think teaches that Christ is under God.

thinker

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ Mar. 27 2010,14:39) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 27 2010,14:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,12:38) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 26 2010,20:00) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 25 2010,08:21) TO ALL: The anti-trinitarians here argue that the word “ONE LORD” (Deut. 6:4) argues that Christ cannot be God. WJ and I have tried to show you time and time again that the Hebrew word for “one” is “echad” and often refers to a plural one. We have given the example of Moses saying that the husband and his wife shall be “one flesh.” But some of you guys have explained this statement away saying that it does not mean one flesh but “one in purpose.” A scripture came to me that blows away your theory that “one flesh” means “one in purpose.” 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18:8 Read it and weep! The man and his wife are one FLESH. Now take a closer look at Deuteronomy 6:4: 4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (plural), the LORD is one! The word “God” is plural. It says that the plural God is one LORD. Get with God's word guys! thinker Hi thethinker: My wife and I may be one flesh, but: Quote 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Not necessarily “one spirit” unless we are both submitted to God through the Lord Jesus.   In the same way, Jesus is “one in the spirit” with the Father.  He is submitted to the Father through His Word. The head of Christ is God, and the head of man is Christ, and the head a woman is man. Love in Christ, Marty Marty But the scripture you use does not support your theory at all. You are the head of your wife, but are you a greater human being than she? Blessings WJ Keith, The anti-trinitarians know that the man is not greater than his wife. When God first married the man and the woman there was no “headship” of the man. The man became the head after sin came into the picture. Anti-trinitarians overlook this fact. And they downright ignore that Paul added,  “the woman is nothing without the man and the man is nothing without the woman.” He was asserting their essential equality. By implication therefore Christ is essentially equal with God. thinker Hi thethinker: God have the commandment that he should not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.  It was his responsibility to share this commandment with Eve which obviously did. But when his wife ate, instead of taking the responsiblity to say no, when Eve ate he also ate. This is what the scripture states: Quote Genesis 3:9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. 11And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. Can you not see.  God did not call for Eve.  He called for Adam, and that is because it was Adam's responsibility to guard his commandment. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, How does what you say prove that the woman was lesser before they had sinned? Adam was the head after they had sinned. Paul had clarified his headship of the man principle by adding that the man is “nothing” without the woman and that the woman is “nothing” without the man. The headship of the man principle was an old covenant principle. In Christ the headship of the man principle was abrogated. The woman is once again equal with the man as she was before sin entered into the picture. So find another scripture which you think teaches that Christ is under God. thinker

Hi thethinker:

How many scriptures does it take to convince you?

Regarding the man and the woman, it is not a matter of equality. It is a matter of responsibility. It is the Word of God that we are striving to obey, and God has said that the head of Christ, is God, and the head man is Christ, and the head of woman is man.

This is not a dictatorship but a position of love.

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Ephesians 5:22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she r everence her husband.

Jesus said that we are all brethren, him included. It is not a matter of equality, but of responsibility set forth by the Word of God. I set an example by the life that I live for my my wife to follow, but I do not force her to do anything. She is free to do whatever she wants. I also do not have to obey the Lord. I do so because I love him. The Word of God states that my wife should submitt herself unto me as unto the Lord, but whether she chooses to obey God or not is her decision.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 26 2010,20:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 27 2010,10:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 25 2010,08:53) Hi Jack The Hebrew word for “One” is “Echad” which also is a plural unity! Here is an article that explains that the Holy Spirit specifically through Moses chose this word over “Yachid” the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness”…. Yachid vs. Echad The most important verse Jews memorized in the Bible was Deut 6:4: “Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [Echad]!” There are a few words in Hebrew that the Holy Spirit could have used a word the has one exclusive meaning: the numeric, solitary oneness of God (“yachid” or “bad”). Instead the Holy Spirit chose to use the Hebrew word, “Echad” which is used most often as a unified one, and sometimes as numeric oneness. For example, when God said in Genesis 2:24 “the two shall become one [Echad] flesh” it is the same word for “one” that was used in Deut 6:4.   “This is most troubling for Anti-Trinitarians since the word yachid, the main Hebrew word for solitary oneness, is never used in reference to God. Click here for a detailed look at this fascinating word study“.  Source Blessings WJ WJ Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06) i read your source ,a child could see that God is one and not two, T Well it is obvious by your statement a child cannot see that God is a plural unity. Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06) [you are ridiculous to state that this is of something for anti trinitarians, it is more against trinitarians than ever, I would like to know how that is, being that the Holy Spirit never used the word “Yachid” in referring to God for solitary oneness but instead used the word “Echad” for a unified one. Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06) ..you never could answer the scriptures that says that God is one even Jesus say that but you don't have an answer. I don't have to answer, the Apostle John the narrator and writer of the Gospel of John answers for me… Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, “but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:18 John understood like the Jews understood that to say you were the only Son of God meant equality with God. If Jesus being the Son of God was common then what was the big deal about the demons screaming out calling him the Son of God and Peter’s divine revelation of him being the Son of God. Jesus is the “Only Son of God”, the rest of us are adopted sons. Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 24 2010,18:06) so you rather break the written word to teach what are your interests No it is you who breaks the scriptures because you reject Jesus being called God when the scriptures call him God! WJ wj just answer this scripture;Dt 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Dt 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. Lk 4:8 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only Lk 6:49 But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.” this is enough scriptures for a true righteous believer, but not all are looking for the truth of God, T What do you know about my heart and desire for the truth? We show you the truth and you reject it! WJ

WJ

first you did not answer,my question,
secondly you rather fallow opinions from pharisees and others who try to kill Jesus ,than the word of the son of God.

secondly how i know your heart containt?this way;? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks,

do you go back and read some of your post??

[martian]

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TO ALL: The anti-trinitarians here argue that the word “ONE LORD” (Deut. 6:4) argues that Christ cannot be God. WJ and I have tried to show you time and time again that the Hebrew word for “one” is “echad” and often refers to a plural one. We have given the example of Moses saying that the husband and his wife shall be “one flesh.” But some of you guys have explained this statement away saying that it does not mean one flesh but “one in purpose.” A scripture came to me that blows away your theory that “one flesh” means “one in purpose.” 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18:8 Read it and weep! The man and his wife are one FLESH. Now take a closer look at Deuteronomy 6:4: 4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God (plural), the LORD is one! The word “God” is plural. It says that the plural God is one LORD. Get with God's word guys! thinker

You show your ignorance of the Hebrew again.
Is the Hebrew word for God in the plural meaning more than one?
The Hebrew word translated as “God” is elohiym. It is the plural form of elo'ah. While elohiym is plural. this does not mean that it is more than one. In Hebrew, a plural word may indicate quality as well as quantity. As an example, the Hebrew word ets is a tree. If there are two trees this would be written as etsiym meaning trees, qualitatively large. A large tree such as a Redwood could also be written etsiym, qualitatively large. As elohiym is plural, it can be translated as “gods” (quantity) or a very large and powerful “god” (quality). The creator of the heavens and the earth is far above any other god and is therefore elohiym, not just an eloah. The context the word is used will help to determine if the plural is qualitative or quantitative. If the plural noun is the subject of a verb, the verb will indicate if the subject is singular or more than one. For instance in Genesis 1:1 the verb bara (created) identifies the subject of the verb as masculine singular. The next word is elohiym (the subject of the verb) and is understood as a singular qualitatively large noun, God and not gods.
What is the Hebrew word for “God?”
There are three words in Hebrew that are translated as “God.” The word “El” (aleph-lamed) is a common Hebrew word that literally means “powerful one” and is used in the Bible for anything with power such as a god (Ex 34:14), a mountain (Ps 36:6) and God (Gen 14:18). The word “elo'ah” (aleph-lamed-vav-hey) is also translated as God but more literally means “one who yokes to another.” The root of this word is alah (aleph-lamed-hey) and means an oath in the sense of being a “binding yoke” (Gen 26:28). The third word is elohiym (aleph-lamed-hey-yud-mem) and is the plural form of the word elo'ah

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/1_faqs.html#el1

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