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  • #60417
    kejonn
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    I have often stayed much away from the Old Testament. It seemed to contain less of a message to my Christianity. But with my recent move away from the belief of Trinity, I find that the OT intrigues me. Why? Because we see YHWH, the Father, in the OT. It seems that the New Testament focuses heavily on His Son and the Father is less in focus.

    SO….is it any wonder why we still have the Old Testament? I know why, and it is why I have a new yearning for it. I want to know both Father and Son, not just Son. That is why, IMO, we will always have New and Old Testament in our Bibles.

    The Father revealed Himself through His Son, but the OT will give you an even greater knowledge of the One who sent His Son to save us all.

    #60420
    NickHassan
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    Hi KJ,
    Try these.
    Matthew 13:52
    Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
    Luke 5:39
    No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.
    Luke 5:37
    And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.

    #60426
    kejonn
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    Nick,

    Good ones brother :cool:. I've got a lot of catching up to do!

    #60466
    Bibliophile
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    KJ,

    Great post! I agree wholeheartedly that the OT is still just as important as the NT. Paul says at Romans 15:4 “For all things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction…”
    2Timothy 3:16,17 “All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.”
    We cannot understand the NT without the OT. Both are essential according to the verses above. Remember, Jesus quoted from the OT and fulfilled over 300 prohesies from the OT.

    In Christ

    #79919
    NickHassan
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    Hi KJ,
    I hope your study of the OT and the questions it raised for you about the NT comes to the situation where you love and accept both as they are together the revelation of God.

    #79923
    kejonn
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    Hey Nick,

    There are many questions that won't have answers in this lifetime. The bible is chock full of them. I see the bible as a progressive record of man's relationship to God. That, in part, is why I believe Christianity is starting to see a decline: we are relying on a book that has been sealed up for almost 2000 years. When did God stop talking?

    #79927
    NickHassan
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    Hi KJ,
    The work of the Spirit is to remind us of the words of Christ and He does not speak of his own initiative [Jn14-16].
    So we must remain within those words to remain in fellowship with the Father and the son[2Jn]

    #79933
    kejonn
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    Then we can throw everything out past GoJ? Those where someone else's (Paul, etc) words.

    #79934
    NickHassan
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    Hi KJ,
    Christ was in Paul.

    #79941
    kejonn
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    Is Christ in all true Christians? Or did he stop 2000 years ago?

    #79944
    NickHassan
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    Hi KJ,
    Indeed.
    All who are reborn from above have Christ in them.
    No that promise is for all who are far off, as many as the Lord God shall call to Himself[Acts 2.39]

    #79946
    NickHassan
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    Hi KJ,
    Of course many are planted of God but they become stillborn.
    Christ was excited to hear Peter manifesting the work of the Spirit in him
    But Paul was frustrated by the slow growth of the work of God in the Galatians.Gal 4.19
    They had already been baptised into and clothed with Christ Gal 3.27
    but the good fruit of the Spirit had not shown.Gal 5.22f
    rather they still manifested their father.Gal 5.19

    #79974
    kejonn
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 23 2008,20:07)
    Hi KJ,
    Indeed.
    All who are reborn from above have Christ in them.
    No that promise is for all who are far off, as many as the Lord God shall call to Himself[Acts 2.39]


    So if Christ is in all Christians, why do you only accept what is written in a book 2000 years ago when there have billions of Christians since?

    #79981
    NickHassan
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    Hi KJ,
    And you know many more blessed in wisdom than Paul?
    Where are they?

    #79983
    kejonn
    Participant

    I have no idea, I don't go out looking for them. I guess Paul is part of your trinity then? God, Jesus, Paul. Do you pray to Paul?

    #79985
    NickHassan
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    Hi KJ,
    You are not doing yourself any good here playing silly games.
    We would prefer to respect you.

    #79992
    kejonn
    Participant

    Why should you respect me? You said we should only respect those who wrote the bible.

    I am not playing silly games Nick. I'm just getting you to face a little reality — the bible was written by men.

    #79994
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KJ,
    Did I?
    Trust the bible KJ.
    It is the best we have got.

    #80009
    kejonn
    Participant

    I'd rather trust God. Much better.

    #80013
    Not3in1
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    I was thinking…..

    The folks in the OT died with no hope of the resurrection. Where was their hope? Did they believe in heaven and they would go there?

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