"Not one of his bones will be broken"

[bodhitharta]

Is it possible to have a crucifixion without breaking any bone in the hand or feet?

[AndrewAD]

I don’t pretend to understand everything about crucifiction but I do understand there were various ways it was done and it’s purpose was to be a slow lingering death which caused much suffering.Some are said to have suffered for days.

So depending on how it was performed I think it is possible that no bones be broke.But as it concerns Jesus from what I’ve heard said is that the Roman soldiers would break the legs of some to actually cause them to die sooner.And that is why they were surprised Jesus died so quickly and only pierced his side instead of breaking his legs as in John 19.

In terms of St John’s gospel of course the point is Jesus fulfilling the passover as the lamb of God as the lambs were to have no broken bones according to the law-Ex 12:46,Nm 9:12.

And remember God comes to us through his Son not only by the waters of baptism but also by the shed blood.If you receive this testimony of men,then also take into account that the testimony of God is greater yet. 1Jn 5:8-10 and St.John speaketh thus-St Jn 19:35-this is borne witness to by a man who saw it with his own eyes,and his witness is trustworthy.He knows that he is telling the truth,and he speaks out so that you too might learn to believe.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,

You work only from human theory.

We are taught from Scripture

[bodhitharta]

I don’t believe any of his bones were broken either especially since he wasn’t crucified or killed according to the Quran

[Ed J]

BD the quran is a book of fraud

In law, fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

[bodhitharta]

How is fraud proven?

[bodhitharta]

Is Israel the Son of God?

Exodus 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

IS Ephraim the son of God?

Jeremiah 31:9
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

How is fraud proven ED?

Is Ephraim the firstborn of God or is Israel the firstborn of God?

[Ed J]

BD the quran is a book of fraud

In law, fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

How is fraud proven?

Hi BD,

Muhammad told his followers to kill those in the neighboring towns and take their stuff.
It is unlawful gain to take another’s stuff and a sin against God. And by taking their
children and using them as sex slaves Muhammad is an abomination before God.

Have you not read how much Muhammad suffered from eating that poison lamb at Khyber.
It was from eating that poison lamb that Muhammad said the poison cut off the artery of his heart. And
funny how he said cut off the artery of his heart, was that not the sign he himself gave proving he was a false prophet?

sura 69:44-46
And if the messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name,
We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And We
should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:

[Ed J]

Why on earth would you try to venerate such an abomination?

[Ed J]

It’s funny how YOUR PROPHET died from eating a poison lamb, while
Jesus Christ is the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.

“Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy,
who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood
of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing,
and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Heb 10:29)

[bodhitharta]

Hello EDJ

You must be mistaken I didn’t ask you how to baselessly slander others I asked how do you prove fraud. For instance even though you throw out accusations what they may show is how you didn’t study your own bible.

Numbers 31:17-18 King James Version (KJV)

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

EDJ have you actually read the bible? so once again how do you prove fraud when your own slander is not shown in the religion and book you condemn but instead is registered in history as the bases of your own religion.

Now you won’t find these type of verses in the Quran but it is these type of activities you said were unlawful and a sin against God. Your Bible says God ordered that very same thing but you won’t find anything like this in the Quran

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,

So you hate God, the bible and the Spirit that wrote it?

Figures

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,

One thing is plain.

You feel you are greater than God and in a position to judge Him.

Hmmm

[kerwin]

Bodhitharta,

The Hebrew people took their enemies slaves. I believe Arabs did as well. In this case they judged non-virgins as part of the crime against them. Woman and children that are virgins are all that were spared.

[bodhitharta]

Hi Nick

Shouldn’t you be directing those feelings toward EDJ, he is the one that brought those things up and attributed them to Muhammad and the Quran….those things are not in the Quran but if you notice I didn’t Judge them at all I just explained to him that these things are in The Holy Bible.

Please read my post again and show me where I said anything negative about God or the Bible I simply said EDJ does not know what is in the Bible so his judgements regarding Islam and Muhammad was simply slander and the point was he was calling the Religion fraudulent and using the slander as evidence so is it not right that I show that the “evidence” he presented is not a valid proof against The religion he calls a fraudulent one?

[bodhitharta]

Hi Kerwin

My response was only for the benefit of EDJ understanding what is written in The Holy Bible I was not trying to criticize what was in it or judge it, I was simply saying to EDJ that how he is judging Islam he is actually condemning his own religion because nothing similar to this is in the Quran.

Matthew 7 King James Version (KJV)

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,

“Now you won’t find these type of verses in the Quran but it is these type of activities you said were unlawful and a sin against God. Your Bible says God ordered that very same thing but you won’t find anything like this in the Quran”

 

 

The Word of God is to learn from and not to judge.

 

 

[kerwin]

Bodhitharta,

I understand.

I also hold the Koran to be a false teaching as it does not agree with the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is but one false teaching of many. It does not teach a person what they need to know to overcome their sins but then neither does Ed’ teaching or those of many others.

[bodhitharta]

Hi Kerwin

I also hold the Koran to be a false teaching as it does not agree with the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is but one false teaching of many. It does not teach a person what they need to know to overcome their sins but then neither does Ed’ teaching or those of many others.

Actually the Quran is much more focused on the tenants of the Kingdom of God as Jesus taught than you could imagine. But I will ask you what is the basis of you calling the teaching false? The Quran has been sent down by GOD ALMIGHTY as a Mercy:

1In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

2All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.

3The Beneficent, the Merciful.

4Master of the Day of Judgment.

5Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help.

6Keep us on the right path.

7The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.

This is the most often repeated verse in the world what is false about it?

[NickHassan]

HiBD,

To keep on the right path you have to enter first through the door.

You are deceived.

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