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Please only post videos and verses that teach No Pre-Trib Rapture here. I will start up another thread for videos and verses that are said to teach a Pre-Trib Rapture.
This way we can put the best reasoning and arguments for either case and see which one matches scripture.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 10 2013,00:05)
I agree with most of what he is saying,but need more
scriptures to make the picture complete.
The last video has some good scriptures.**The first video is confusion**. Putting christians to sleep,by giving them hope,but false hope.They will be caught by surprise when it comes.We are adviced to stay awake,or the bride will come unnoticed.
We must take note that there are two resurrections at the last trump. One is just before the coming. Those would be the *first fruits*. Those would be the saints coming with the Lord in the air.
The 144000 with the lamb, those are they that follow the lamb wheresoever he goes.Rev.14. The very elect.They are sealed before the first angel will sound.
The beginning of God's wrath.
The rest must go through the fire(tribulation; 6trumps) to be purified by fire,then given white robes,for their robes were not white before.rev.7:9–14.They will be reaped and stored in the barn,untill Jesus is finished with babylon.They have not dedicated their lives to the Lamb,but
have been walking on the fence.Their big test is the mark of the beast,for it will starve their belly without the mark. Not an easy test when one have loved ones in the family.
The strong ones will be put in camps for the slow death.
Some will be decapitated,some will just survive the hunger
and of the regular piosoning of their food.We know from matthew 24. Jesus said *immediately after the tribulation* the sun and moon will be darkened,the sign of the coming.
But we are not asleep for God is waking us up now,preparing our white robes.
For all the 144000 will be alive when the sealing is carried out.Yes,the scripture said they are the 12 tribes of israel.
Israel was scattered into the four winds 2500years ago.
They could be anyone today with jewish blood in them.
Besides,the jews dont accept Christ,but we also know that there are christian jews,not necessary true believers.I will not make this too long.
wakeup
There is NO pre-trib rapture because the tribulation is NOT future. The seven churches in Asia went through the tribulation and they were NOT raptured. It's as simple as that.
9 I, John, who also [am] your brother, and fellow-partner in the tribulation, and in the reign and endurance, of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, because of the word of God, and because of the testimony of Jesus Christ; Rev. 1:9 ESV
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Sep. 12 2013,10:17) There is NO pre-trib rapture because the tribulation is NOT future. The seven churches in Asia went through the tribulation and they were NOT raptured. It's as simple as that. 9 I, John, who also [am] your brother, and fellow-partner in the tribulation, and in the reign and endurance, of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, because of the word of God, and because of the testimony of Jesus Christ; Rev. 1:9 ESV
Kangaroo jack.Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them *that were slain* for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
THESE ARE THE SAINTS THAT WENT THROUGH
TRIBULATION IN THEIR TIME.Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for *a little season*, *UNTILL THEIR FELLOW SERVANTS* ALSO AND *THEIR BRETHREN THAT SHOULD BE KILLED* *AS THEY WERE*, should be fulfilled.
THIS WOULD BE THE END TIME TRIBULATION,WHEN THE FELLOW SERVANTS ALSO WILL BE KILLED.
*SEE BELOW*.Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, **These are they which came out of great tribulation**, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which *had not worshipped the beast*, *neither his image*, neither had received **his mark upon their foreheads**, or *in their hands*; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
wakeup.
wakeup
Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, **These are they which came out of great tribulation**, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
what is the “GREAT TRIBULATION “
??wakeup
these are the only scriptures i could find on the “””great tribulation “””
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
REV 2:22 ‘Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
REV 7:14 I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.tell me what you understand
?Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,21:14) wakeup Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, **These are they which came out of great tribulation**, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
what is the “GREAT TRIBULATION “
??
Terra.The last tribulation before the coming
is the great tribulation.The early christians also were killed
and tortured,and given to the lions.
these are the souls under the altar,
asking God; when will you revenge on us.
And God said, to wait untill their fellow servant
also will be killed.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,21:17) wakeup these are the only scriptures i could find on the “””great tribulation “””
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
REV 2:22 ‘Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
REV 7:14 I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.tell me what you understand
?
Terra.The early christians had their tribulation,
and the *end time* christians will have their tribulation.The early christians did not have it easy.
They also had their tribulation.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2013,21:10) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,21:17) wakeup these are the only scriptures i could find on the “””great tribulation “””
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
REV 2:22 ‘Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
REV 7:14 I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.tell me what you understand
?
Terra.The early christians had their tribulation,
and the *end time* christians will have their tribulation.The early christians did not have it easy.
They also had their tribulation.wakeup.
WAKEUPthere is no tribulation as an event ;THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS THE START OF CHRIST PREACHING GOSPEL ;AND FOR THOSE THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE DIFFUSION AND LIVE BY IT ;WILL BE PERSECUTED ALL THEIR LIVES ;ONE WAY OR ANOTHER EITHER IN THE INSIDE OR BY THE OUTSIDE ;
THIS IS HOW THEY WILL NOT RECEIVED THE MARK ,THEY ARE NOT OF THIS WORLD ,LONG LIVE TRIBULATION
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,02:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2013,21:10) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,21:17) wakeup these are the only scriptures i could find on the “””great tribulation “””
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
REV 2:22 ‘Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
REV 7:14 I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.tell me what you understand
?
Terra.The early christians had their tribulation,
and the *end time* christians will have their tribulation.The early christians did not have it easy.
They also had their tribulation.wakeup.
WAKEUPthere is no tribulation as an event ;THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS THE START OF CHRIST PREACHING GOSPEL ;AND FOR THOSE THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE DIFFUSION AND LIVE BY IT ;WILL BE PERSECUTED ALL THEIR LIVES ;ONE WAY OR ANOTHER EITHER IN THE INSIDE OR BY THE OUTSIDE ;
THIS IS HOW THEY WILL NOT RECEIVED THE MARK ,THEY ARE NOT OF THIS WORLD ,LONG LIVE TRIBULATION
Terra.
I can see where you are coming from.Many true christians have been killed.
Everyone in their generations.
There was a time when the Romans fed them to the lions.
There were many killed for their believes during the years.
These are the souls under the altar.But the last tribulation will be of all that refuse the mark and worship the false prophet.
Btw. Devo ask me to tell you, that he is having net problems at the moment.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2013,21:51) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,02:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2013,21:10) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,21:17) wakeup these are the only scriptures i could find on the “””great tribulation “””
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
REV 2:22 ‘Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
REV 7:14 I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.tell me what you understand
?
Terra.The early christians had their tribulation,
and the *end time* christians will have their tribulation.The early christians did not have it easy.
They also had their tribulation.wakeup.
WAKEUPthere is no tribulation as an event ;THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS THE START OF CHRIST PREACHING GOSPEL ;AND FOR THOSE THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE DIFFUSION AND LIVE BY IT ;WILL BE PERSECUTED ALL THEIR LIVES ;ONE WAY OR ANOTHER EITHER IN THE INSIDE OR BY THE OUTSIDE ;
THIS IS HOW THEY WILL NOT RECEIVED THE MARK ,THEY ARE NOT OF THIS WORLD ,LONG LIVE TRIBULATION
Terra.
I can see where you are coming from.Many true christians have been killed.
Everyone in their generations.
There was a time when the Romans fed them to the lions.
There were many killed for their believes during the years.
These are the souls under the altar.But the last tribulation will be of all that refuse the mark and worship the false prophet.
Btw. Devo ask me to tell you, that he is having net problems at the moment.
wakeup.
WAKEUPQuote But the last tribulation will be of all that refuse the mark and worship the false prophet. THIS IS THE FLAT LIE, THEIR IS NO LAST TRIBULATION ,OR IS THEIR SUCH A THING
SHOW ME IN SCRIPTURES ;THERE MAY BE A TIME THAT GOD AS SET A SIDE TO JUDGE ALL THINGS AND GIVE THE REWARD TO THOSE WHO LOVED HIM ,IN ACTIONS ,NOT BY MOUTH ALONE ,
( no problem hope he can manage i mean Devo )
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,03:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2013,21:51) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,02:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2013,21:10) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,21:17) wakeup these are the only scriptures i could find on the “””great tribulation “””
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
REV 2:22 ‘Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
REV 7:14 I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.tell me what you understand
?
Terra.The early christians had their tribulation,
and the *end time* christians will have their tribulation.The early christians did not have it easy.
They also had their tribulation.wakeup.
WAKEUPthere is no tribulation as an event ;THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS THE START OF CHRIST PREACHING GOSPEL ;AND FOR THOSE THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE DIFFUSION AND LIVE BY IT ;WILL BE PERSECUTED ALL THEIR LIVES ;ONE WAY OR ANOTHER EITHER IN THE INSIDE OR BY THE OUTSIDE ;
THIS IS HOW THEY WILL NOT RECEIVED THE MARK ,THEY ARE NOT OF THIS WORLD ,LONG LIVE TRIBULATION
Terra.
I can see where you are coming from.Many true christians have been killed.
Everyone in their generations.
There was a time when the Romans fed them to the lions.
There were many killed for their believes during the years.
These are the souls under the altar.But the last tribulation will be of all that refuse the mark and worship the false prophet.
Btw. Devo ask me to tell you, that he is having net problems at the moment.
wakeup.
WAKEUPQuote But the last tribulation will be of all that refuse the mark and worship the false prophet. THIS IS THE FLAT LIE, THEIR IS NO LAST TRIBULATION ,OR IS THEIR SUCH A THING
SHOW ME IN SCRIPTURES ;THERE MAY BE A TIME THAT GOD AS SET A SIDE TO JUDGE ALL THINGS AND GIVE THE REWARD TO THOSE WHO LOVED HIM ,IN ACTIONS ,NOT BY MOUTH ALONE ,
( no problem hope he can manage i mean Devo )
Terra.How can you say that?
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a ***great tribulation, such as ***has not occurred*** since the beginning of the world until now, **nor ever will**.
*IT NEVER HAD OCCURED BEFORE*.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for *the witness of Jesus*, *and for the word of God*, and ***which had not worshipped the beast**, **neither his image**, neither had received **his mark upon their foreheads**, or in their hands**; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
1.For the witness of Jesus,and the word of God.
2.Which had not received the mark of the beast.
This means the resurrection of *the lot*.
the souls under the altar *and their brethren*.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,03:10) Terra. The early christians had their tribulation,
and the *end time* christians will have their tribulation.The early christians did not have it easy.
They also had their tribulation.wakeup.
This is true. We go through many trials and tribulations.However, I suspect that the Tribulation as opposed to tribulations will be the worst one on record.
Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,04:14) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,03:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2013,21:51) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,02:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2013,21:10) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,21:17) wakeup these are the only scriptures i could find on the “””great tribulation “””
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
REV 2:22 ‘Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
REV 7:14 I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.tell me what you understand
?
Terra.The early christians had their tribulation,
and the *end time* christians will have their tribulation.The early christians did not have it easy.
They also had their tribulation.wakeup.
WAKEUPthere is no tribulation as an event ;THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS THE START OF CHRIST PREACHING GOSPEL ;AND FOR THOSE THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE DIFFUSION AND LIVE BY IT ;WILL BE PERSECUTED ALL THEIR LIVES ;ONE WAY OR ANOTHER EITHER IN THE INSIDE OR BY THE OUTSIDE ;
THIS IS HOW THEY WILL NOT RECEIVED THE MARK ,THEY ARE NOT OF THIS WORLD ,LONG LIVE TRIBULATION
Terra.
I can see where you are coming from.Many true christians have been killed.
Everyone in their generations.
There was a time when the Romans fed them to the lions.
There were many killed for their believes during the years.
These are the souls under the altar.But the last tribulation will be of all that refuse the mark and worship the false prophet.
Btw. Devo ask me to tell you, that he is having net problems at the moment.
wakeup.
WAKEUPQuote But the last tribulation will be of all that refuse the mark and worship the false prophet. THIS IS THE FLAT LIE, THEIR IS NO LAST TRIBULATION ,OR IS THEIR SUCH A THING
SHOW ME IN SCRIPTURES ;THERE MAY BE A TIME THAT GOD AS SET A SIDE TO JUDGE ALL THINGS AND GIVE THE REWARD TO THOSE WHO LOVED HIM ,IN ACTIONS ,NOT BY MOUTH ALONE ,
( no problem hope he can manage i mean Devo )
Terra.How can you say that?
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a ***great tribulation, such as ***has not occurred*** since the beginning of the world until now, **nor ever will**.
*IT NEVER HAD OCCURED BEFORE*.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for *the witness of Jesus*, *and for the word of God*, and ***which had not worshipped the beast**, **neither his image**, neither had received **his mark upon their foreheads**, or in their hands**; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
1.For the witness of Jesus,and the word of God.
2.Which had not received the mark of the beast.
This means the resurrection of *the lot*.
the souls under the altar *and their brethren*.wakeup.
wakeupI know were you are going ,and this was my understanding many years ago ;but pay attention to this ;
Mt 24:1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings.
Mt 24:2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
Mt 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
Mt 24:4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
Mt 24:5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
Mt 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
Mt 24:7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
Mt 24:8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
Mt 24:9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
Mt 24:10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,
Mt 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
Mt 24:12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,
Mt 24:13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Mt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Mt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mt 24:17 Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.IF YOU PLACE THIS DISCUSSION IN THE BEGINNING OF CHRIST MINISTRY ,WOULD BE A DIFFERENT OUTCOME OF VIEW THAN WHEN YOU PLACE THE EVENT AT THE END OF HIS MINISTRY,
AND SO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT JESUS SAYS IS REALLY HAPPENING RIGHT THERE AND THEN ,BY HIS TEACHINGS OF THE GOOD NEWS ,WEN WAS THE END OF AGES THAT CHRIST TALKED ABOUT ;TO ME IT WAS THE END OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL AS AN REPRESENTATION ON EARTH OF GOD KINGDOM ,AND AN CHANGE FROM ACTING IN THE FLESH TO THE TRUE ACTING OF THE SPIRIT ACCORDING TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH COMING FROM GOD THROUGH CHRIST HIS ONLY SON,
UNDERSTAND NOAH WAS SAVE ON THE BASES THAT HE BELIEVED AND FOLLOW WHAT HE WAS TOLD TO DO ,AND ANY ONE THAT SAYS HE BELIEVE IN GOD AND HIS SON AND DO NOT CHANGE HIS WAY IS A LIAR,
MANY BELIEVERS DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH THEY HAVE TO STRIP THEIR OLD PERSONALITY ,AND FIGURE THAT COMING ALONG I
S OK, THEY SHOULD READ THE BOOK OF JOB AGAIN ,AND SEE HOW THIS RIGHTEOUS MAN AD TO FIGHT INSIDE OF HIS OWN SOUL, EVEN HIS OWN WIVE AND FRIENDS ,AD TO THIS HIS OWN FLESH ;DO NOT WATER THE TRUTH DOWN ; OR PUT YOUR MIND AND HEART TO SLEEP ,BY THINKING IT IS OK,IT IS BY FIRE THAT WE WILL BE PURIFIED ,TRIBULATION ARE THE FIRE ,AND IT CAN ALSO RIP YOUR HEART APART,BUT YOU HAVE TO STAND FOR GOD NOT YOURSELF ,FOR THE THINGS OF GOD NOT FOR PERSONAL GAIN ,
THE MINISTRY OF CHRIST WILL SHOW YOU THIS ,
IF WE COMPARE MATH 24; LUKE 21 , AND MARK 13 WE WILL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING ,THAT CHRIST WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COMING FOR JERUSALEM AND HIS TEMPLE ,THAT WAS TO COME TO OCCUR IN 70 AD
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,10:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,04:14) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,03:23) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2013,21:51) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 13 2013,02:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 12 2013,21:10) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 12 2013,21:17) wakeup these are the only scriptures i could find on the “””great tribulation “””
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
REV 2:22 ‘Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
REV 7:14 I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.tell me what you understand
?
Terra.The early christians had their tribulation,
and the *end time* christians will have their tribulation.The early christians did not have it easy.
They also had their tribulation.wakeup.
WAKEUPthere is no tribulation as an event ;THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS THE START OF CHRIST PREACHING GOSPEL ;AND FOR THOSE THAT PARTICIPATE IN THE DIFFUSION AND LIVE BY IT ;WILL BE PERSECUTED ALL THEIR LIVES ;ONE WAY OR ANOTHER EITHER IN THE INSIDE OR BY THE OUTSIDE ;
THIS IS HOW THEY WILL NOT RECEIVED THE MARK ,THEY ARE NOT OF THIS WORLD ,LONG LIVE TRIBULATION
Terra.
I can see where you are coming from.Many true christians have been killed.
Everyone in their generations.
There was a time when the Romans fed them to the lions.
There were many killed for their believes during the years.
These are the souls under the altar.But the last tribulation will be of all that refuse the mark and worship the false prophet.
Btw. Devo ask me to tell you, that he is having net problems at the moment.
wakeup.
WAKEUPQuote But the last tribulation will be of all that refuse the mark and worship the false prophet. THIS IS THE FLAT LIE, THEIR IS NO LAST TRIBULATION ,OR IS THEIR SUCH A THING
SHOW ME IN SCRIPTURES ;THERE MAY BE A TIME THAT GOD AS SET A SIDE TO JUDGE ALL THINGS AND GIVE THE REWARD TO THOSE WHO LOVED HIM ,IN ACTIONS ,NOT BY MOUTH ALONE ,
( no problem hope he can manage i mean Devo )
Terra.How can you say that?
MT 24:21 “For then there will be a ***great tribulation, such as ***has not occurred*** since the beginning of the world until now, **nor ever will**.
*IT NEVER HAD OCCURED BEFORE*.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for *the witness of Jesus*, *and for the word of God*, and ***which had not worshipped the beast**, **neither his image**, neither had received **his mark upon their foreheads**, or in their hands**; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
1.For the witness of Jesus,and the word of God.
2.Which had not received the mark of the beast.
This means the resurrection of *the lot*.
the souls under the altar *and their brethren*.wakeup.
wakeupI know were you are going ,and this was my understanding many years ago ;but pay attention to this ;
Mt 24:1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings.
Mt 24:2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
Mt 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
Mt 24:4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.
Mt 24:5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
Mt 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
Mt 24:7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
Mt 24:8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
Mt 24:9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
Mt 24:10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,
Mt 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
Mt 24:12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,
Mt 24:13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Mt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Mt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mt 24:17 Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.IF YOU PLACE THIS DISCUSSION IN THE BEGINNING OF CHRIST MINISTRY ,WOULD BE A DIFFERENT OUTCOME OF VIEW THAN WHEN YOU PLACE THE EVENT AT THE END OF HIS MINISTRY,
AND SO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT JESUS SAYS IS REALLY HAPPENING RIGHT THERE AND THEN ,BY HIS TEACHINGS OF THE GOOD NEWS ,WEN WAS THE END OF AGES THAT CHRIST TALKED ABOUT ;TO ME IT WAS THE END OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL AS AN REPRESENTATION ON EARTH OF GOD KINGDOM ,AND AN CHANGE FROM ACTING IN THE FLESH TO THE TRUE ACTING OF THE SPIRIT ACCORDING TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH COMING FROM GOD THROUGH CHRIST HIS ONLY SON,
UNDERSTAND NOAH WAS SAVE ON THE BASES THAT HE BELIEVED AND FOLLOW WHAT HE WAS TOLD TO DO ,AND ANY ONE TH
AT SAYS HE BELIEVE IN GOD AND HIS SON AND DO NOT CHANGE HIS WAY IS A LIAR,MANY BELIEVERS DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH THEY HAVE TO STRIP THEIR OLD PERSONALITY ,AND FIGURE THAT COMING ALONG IS OK, THEY SHOULD READ THE BOOK OF JOB AGAIN ,AND SEE HOW THIS RIGHTEOUS MAN AD TO FIGHT INSIDE OF HIS OWN SOUL, EVEN HIS OWN WIVE AND FRIENDS ,AD TO THIS HIS OWN FLESH ;
DO NOT WATER THE TRUTH DOWN ; OR PUT YOUR MIND AND HEART TO SLEEP ,BY THINKING IT IS OK,IT IS BY FIRE THAT WE WILL BE PURIFIED ,TRIBULATION ARE THE FIRE ,AND IT CAN ALSO RIP YOUR HEART APART,BUT YOU HAVE TO STAND FOR GOD NOT YOURSELF ,FOR THE THINGS OF GOD NOT FOR PERSONAL GAIN ,
THE MINISTRY OF CHRIST WILL SHOW YOU THIS ,
IF WE COMPARE MATH 24; LUKE 21 , AND MARK 13 WE WILL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING ,THAT CHRIST WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COMING FOR JERUSALEM AND HIS TEMPLE ,THAT WAS TO COME TO OCCUR IN 70 AD
Terra.Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached **in the whole world** as a testimony *to all nations*, and then the end will come.
THE GOSPEL HAS NOT BEEN PREACHED IN ALL THE EARTH, DURING THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SECOND TEMPLE. YES/NO?
Mt 24:15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘**the abomination that causes desolation**,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
THIS IS THE **SETTING UP** OF THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION. NOT THE *DESTRUCTION* OF THE **SECOND TEMPLE IN 70 AD**
Mt 24:16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mt 24:17 Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house.Quote (t8 @ Sep. 13 2013,09:15) Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 13 2013,03:10) Terra. The early christians had their tribulation,
and the *end time* christians will have their tribulation.The early christians did not have it easy.
They also had their tribulation.wakeup.
This is true. We go through many trials and tribulations.However, I suspect that the Tribulation as opposed to tribulations will be the worst one on record.
Exactly:MT 24:21 “For then there will be a ***great tribulation, such as ***has not occurred*** since the beginning of the world until now, **nor ever will**.
wakeup.
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