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Quote (princess @ June 03 2013,00:45) Quote (Colter @ June 02 2013,21:06) Quote (princess @ June 02 2013,12:34) Quote (Colter @ June 01 2013,23:55) The spirit of worship is innate in every human of a healthy mind, we respond to spiritual gravity. Atheist must then deliberately deny that consciousness is super-material. Colter
I tend to disagree. There are things in this world that cannot be explained. Then again this phrase can be used throughout history until they were discovered.Atheist wait for the discovery, christians wait for god to tell them. Not much of a difference, just on what each is waiting for.
There is the realm of the mechanical, material and the realm of the spirit. Atheism is the absurd doctrine of doubt or denial that their is a spiritual realm because pessimism itself should be proof enough that the world in not entirely mechanical.Colter
I can see by your use of adjectives that you are aggressive towards atheist. Noted.Have you ever gone beyond conversations with an atheist that did not involve religion as a subject? Then how can you come to such a conclusion?
It seems that sometimes people tend to go big and forget about the little things in life.
and thanks Colter for not posting a mini series for your answer.
The presence of Atheist on a religious forum, picking at the faith of believers, is itself aggressive. Did you want some cheese with that wine?I will limit my reply and spare you the risk of learning anything new.
I have Atheist friends and family, they don't talk about religion, they truly don't care to know, they are indifferent.
Colter
That's your opinion Colter. Without other beliefs Colter there would be no one to preach to, so appreciate a good atheist that disagrees with you.
Yes please and do take care to pair the wine and cheese correctly and add some fruit while your at it. Thanks.
So your atheist's friends and family are different then other atheists. Wow, what are the chances of that?
Oh and Colter, if by chance I do see something that you post takes my interest, I will be sure to research it a bit. To date though nothing has really caught my attention.
Your levels of what ever you call them are no different then other faiths. There are always levels of some sort that you must attain to achieve whatever you're to achieve. As one rises to this level then of course they are above everyone else and then the whole ego balloon begins and well……….just religious history repeating itself over and over again.
All religions have so sort of 'right of passage' for lack of a better term. It has been on going for eons. What makes you any closer to the truth then another that has the same level of contempt as you do?
Quote (princess @ June 03 2013,05:57) That's your opinion Colter. Without other beliefs Colter there would be no one to preach to, so appreciate a good atheist that disagrees with you. Yes please and do take care to pair the wine and cheese correctly and add some fruit while your at it. Thanks.
So your atheist's friends and family are different then other atheists. Wow, what are the chances of that?
Oh and Colter, if by chance I do see something that you post takes my interest, I will be sure to research it a bit. To date though nothing has really caught my attention.
Your levels of what ever you call them are no different then other faiths. There are always levels of some sort that you must attain to achieve whatever you're to achieve. As one rises to this level then of course they are above everyone else and then the whole ego balloon begins and well……….just religious history repeating itself over and over again.
All religions have so sort of 'right of passage' for lack of a better term. It has been on going for eons. What makes you any closer to the truth then another that has the same level of contempt as you do?
All who sincerely seek for spiritual truth or guidance find it in their own unique way.I've often thought that a true Atheist would be at peace with the short life they have chosen and would not waste a minute consorting with the little religious people unless they have a need to argue.
Colter
I do believe you need to review your own conclusion about atheists and wanting to argue. It seems once one has established their 'truth' in religion they tend to argue about who has it right.
No harm in discussing subjects though.
Quote (princess @ June 03 2013,22:52) I do believe you need to review your own conclusion about atheists and wanting to argue. It seems once one has established their 'truth' in religion they tend to argue about who has it right. No harm in discussing subjects though.
Why do you as an atheist participate in a Christian religious forum?Colter
Quote (princess @ June 02 2013,19:33) Quote (terraricca @ June 02 2013,14:19) hi princess how are you doing
hope all is good in your family ,Quote christians wait for god to tell them. this is wrong ;the true Christian do not wait BUT PRACTICE WHAT GOD AS ALREADY GIVEN ,AND BY DOING SO FIND NEW UNDERSTANDING OF TRUTH
Hey T, all is well as I hope to find you.How can there be new truth when god has already given it?
This is where different doctrines, faiths and denomination arise because of this thought. But no church or denomination tend to think that they are part of the warning to the churches in revelatioins? Why is that?
PRINCESSit is to be seen in the way that God sees it not men ,and each men should see it for himself,and build a relationship with his God ,
wen men start to built churches this is were they are going astray ,they leaving God for their own world ,but using God's words and so steal from him (souls) that should be his
Quote (princess @ June 02 2013,15:34) Atheist wait for the discovery, christians wait for god to tell them. Not much of a difference, just on what each is waiting for.
God doesn't need to be proved. He is self-evident.Just as the web designer of this site doesn't need to be proved to exist because it is self-evident that there is one.
But on the subject of who is God or what is he like, that is something that only each individual can seek. And proof is given to those who like children seek him in innocence and not as a tool to push a selfish agenda.
And it is well known that you have to be serious if you want to contact God. A half-heart will probably yield little or nothing.
We don't have to prove God and we are the ones who have to seek him. Faith is not without proof, it is the evidence of things not seen. And my evidence and personal experience is not proof to anyone but myself. It might help others, but ultimately they need to seek for their own.
But the existence of a God is self-evident.
Quote (t8 @ June 04 2013,09:46) Quote (princess @ June 02 2013,15:34) Atheist wait for the discovery, christians wait for god to tell them. Not much of a difference, just on what each is waiting for.
God doesn't need to be proved. He is self-evident.Just as the web designer of this site doesn't need to be proved to exist because it is self-evident that there is one.
But on the subject of who is God or what is he like, that is something that only each individual can seek. And proof is given to those who like children seek him in innocence and not as a tool to push a selfish agenda.
And it is well known that you have to be serious if you want to contact God. A half-heart will probably yield little or nothing.
We don't have to prove God and we are the ones who have to seek him. Faith is not without proof, it is the evidence of things not seen. And my evidence and personal experience is not proof to anyone but myself. It might help others, but ultimately they need to seek for their own.
But the existence of a God is self-evident.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are *CLEARLY SEEN*, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; **SO THAT THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE**:wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ June 04 2013,09:46) Quote (princess @ June 02 2013,15:34) Atheist wait for the discovery, christians wait for god to tell them. Not much of a difference, just on what each is waiting for.
God doesn't need to be proved. He is self-evident.Just as the web designer of this site doesn't need to be proved to exist because it is self-evident that there is one.
But on the subject of who is God or what is he like, that is something that only each individual can seek. And proof is given to those who like children seek him in innocence and not as a tool to push a selfish agenda.
And it is well known that you have to be serious if you want to contact God. A half-heart will probably yield little or nothing.
We don't have to prove God and we are the ones who have to seek him. Faith is not without proof, it is the evidence of things not seen. And my evidence and personal experience is not proof to anyone but myself. It might help others, but ultimately they need to seek for their own.
But the existence of a God is self-evident.
Your right T8, gods are self evident. But god is not limited to self evidence, there are many other aspects in life one chooses to do the same with.What tickles you fancy about christianity? Is it the eternal life your promised, the release of all the negatives you carry inside you? Just what about christianity appeals to you most?
Quote (princess @ June 02 2013,07:34) Quote (Colter @ June 01 2013,23:55) The spirit of worship is innate in every human of a healthy mind, we respond to spiritual gravity. Atheist must then deliberately deny that consciousness is super-material. Colter
I tend to disagree. There are things in this world that cannot be explained. Then again this phrase can be used throughout history until they were discovered.Atheist wait for the discovery, christians wait for god to tell them. Not much of a difference, just on what each is waiting for.
Princess,I have followed certain discoveries and know how messy the meat grinding process of discovery is. For example there are several sects of Evolutionists in the “discovery” community and some of them hold to non-sound doctrine that should have been discarded over a century ago.
Kerwin, you will have no argument from me on the subject. Just wonder why some come up with such theories?
Do they have such a disdain for the creation view from christianity?Some consider themselves to be born from a lotus flower, some alien's mis gone experiments. In your opinion would you say that eternal life could be compromised if one did not believe in the story of creation from the bible?
and Kerwin always good to hear from you. Hope all is well.
You can add my belief to the mix.
I believe that life evolved on our 4.8 +/- year old planet from a life implantation by celestial beings. This implantation took place 550,000,000 years ago, will conscious man about 1,000,000.
Adam and Even incarnate and quickly defaulted about 39,000 years ago.
Colter
Quote (princess @ June 07 2013,18:19) Kerwin, you will have no argument from me on the subject. Just wonder why some come up with such theories?
Do they have such a disdain for the creation view from christianity?Some consider themselves to be born from a lotus flower, some alien's mis gone experiments. In your opinion would you say that eternal life could be compromised if one did not believe in the story of creation from the bible?
and Kerwin always good to hear from you. Hope all is well.
Princess,One of my sisters, she who I live with, just received a kidney and is doing well so things are going good though somewhat hectic thanks to the grace of God. Thank you for asking. It is my hope that things are also going good for you.
I have heard of that discovery teaching but the one I was speaking of is Darwinism, which has adherents even in the scientist community. Darwinism does not consider the effects of genetics and was the one taught to me as a child even though genetics was established in the 19th Century.
Things are well Kerwin, thank you. Great to hear your sister is doing well. May her healing be quick and keep a good spirit about her. May you be given great calmness and patience during this time.
Think about it Kerwin, who made the apes in your book. So if god choose to upgrade along the line, then why fuss about it. I hold nothing against an individual who does such. The wonderful thing about life is choice.
This choice of deciding where you originated from is it detrimental to humanity?
Some think the ocean, some star dust, soon with all this talk of Mars most assured this will satisfy the ones that believe they come from an alien race.Do take care Kerwin.
Quote (princess @ June 09 2013,07:23) Things are well Kerwin, thank you. Great to hear your sister is doing well. May her healing be quick and keep a good spirit about her. May you be given great calmness and patience during this time. Think about it Kerwin, who made the apes in your book. So if god choose to upgrade along the line, then why fuss about it. I hold nothing against an individual who does such. The wonderful thing about life is choice.
This choice of deciding where you originated from is it detrimental to humanity?
Some think the ocean, some star dust, soon with all this talk of Mars most assured this will satisfy the ones that believe they come from an alien race.Do take care Kerwin.
Princess,As far as I know there is no mention of apes or monkeys in scripture. They could be descendants of Adam and Eve that have become like beasts in the eyes of their brothers. Science properly applied may either confirm or disprove it is so.
The fossil record has few transformations from one kind to another and often the evidence is limited to morphology, which is known to be undependable. The study of it is a soft science often subject to interpretation.
The study of genetics is more dependent in my eyes but I have seen it misused. Certain scientists revealed that misuse, and such revelations happen more often when there is a difference in doctrine.
Quote (princess @ June 10 2013,01:31) The only subject I can compare to your statement Kerwin is Esau.
Princess,He is said to be hairy, a trait apes and monkeys also share.
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