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Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,07:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2008,07:19) Hi SOL,
You can judge Paul?
He healed and raised the dead so we can't wait to hear what you have done.
Well I didn't persecute and kill followers of The Way.I don't try to deceive people in order to tricking them into a religious view.
You have paper and ink telling you that Paul raised the dead. That's it Nick.
You are using circular reasoning.
Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead.
ad naseum…..
Speaking of the WAY. I seem to remember a movement long ago that people were really upset with called the Way. I remember one of them saying we are just studying the bible! Which back then was more than a NO NO than NOW!Quote (IM4Truth @ Jan. 09 2008,07:33) Son of Light have you read my husbands article? Peace and Love Mrs.
Yes I did.Are you trying to demonstrate the reality of prophecy?
To me that is a different subject.
Jehovah, the god of this world, I am sure is more than capable of continuing his war agendas.
exodus 15:3
3Jehovah [is] a man of battle; Jehovah [is] His name.
Exodus 15:3 and and all of 15 is a Song sung by the Children of Israel about how God cast Pharaoh into the sea. You are not representing that Scripture in the right light. Jehovah is not the God of this world either, that is Satan. But I can see that no matter what anybody is going to say to you, you have made up your mind what you want to belief and only you are right. Thats all for me, No more, I will not answer to you again.
Peace and Love Mrs.
God's law is His nature. The Mosaic law is because we don't keep God's law. When we accept Jesus we are forgiven…born again in the Spirit to keep the law Spiritually. Rom.7:25; 8:2-9
The regulations were nailed to the cross! Or is it a burden to keep HIS commandments?
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Again the remnant Keep the commandments of God!
Rev 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.
The saints of the last day will be keeping the Commandments of God.
Rev 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
The laws that were nailed to the cross were the laws BECAUSE they could not keep God's law.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Jan. 09 2008,08:12) Exodus 15:3 and and all of 15 is a Song sung by the Children of Israel about how God cast Pharaoh into the sea. You are not representing that Scripture in the right light. Jehovah is not the God of this world either, that is Satan. But I can see that no matter what anybody is going to say to you, you have made up your mind what you want to belief and only you are right. Thats all for me, No more, I will not answer to you again. Peace and Love Mrs.
The essence of what I am saying is that:Jesus and his followers did not believe God the Most High did any of those bad things in the OT.
These actions were credited to fallen angels.
2000 years later Christians are twisting their morality into a pretzel trying to justify the actions of whom they think their God is.
I have made my mind up on what is wrong and what is right morally speaking. I am open to discussion of any scriptural topic with honesty and sincerity.
But yes my moral compass will not be swayed.
I could very well be convinced of something I am misunderstanding historically and scripturally, however.
Think about this:
If I am wrong and the Most High does do things that are evil:
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, who does all these things” (Isa. 45:5-7).
Then I will have to apologize for not accepting that God is above his own Law and will have to bow my knee to him and acknowledge he IS the God of love while he punishes me with his wrath.
If I am right then you guys have a lot of explaining to do as well. Believing that the Most High commits acts of evil and orders the rape of women…etc.. How hurt will God be when he holds out his arms and says:
My child, I am the God of Love. The Father of Light and in me in no shadow of turning. I do not want to kill I want to give life and give it abundantly.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,08:42) Quote (IM4Truth @ Jan. 09 2008,08:12) Exodus 15:3 and and all of 15 is a Song sung by the Children of Israel about how God cast Pharaoh into the sea. You are not representing that Scripture in the right light. Jehovah is not the God of this world either, that is Satan. But I can see that no matter what anybody is going to say to you, you have made up your mind what you want to belief and only you are right. Thats all for me, No more, I will not answer to you again. Peace and Love Mrs.
The essence of what I am saying is that:Jesus and his followers did not believe God the Most High did any of those bad things in the OT.
These actions were credited to fallen angels.
2000 years later Christians are twisting their morality into a pretzel trying to justify the actions of whom they think their God is.
I have made my mind up on what is wrong and what is right morally speaking. I am open to discussion of any scriptural topic with honesty and sincerity.
But yes my moral compass will not be swayed.
I could very well be convinced of something I am misunderstanding historically and scripturally, however.
Think about this:
If I am wrong and the Most High does do things that are evil:
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, who does all these things” (Isa. 45:5-7).
Then I will have to apologize for not accepting that God is above his own Law and will have to bow my knee to him and acknowledge he IS the God of love while he punishes me with his wrath.
If I am right then you guys have a lot of explaining to do as well. Believing that the Most High commits acts of evil and orders the rape of women…etc.. How hurt will God be when he holds out his arms and says:
My child, I am the God of Love. The Father of Light and in me in no shadow of turning. I do not want to kill I want to give life and give it abundantly.
The thing is SOL what is the Most high going to do with ALL the wicked! Revelations says He will have mercy on them and burn them up which is the second death! We are appointed to death once then judgment….the second death… the final death before the New Kingdom and the end of Satan's rule.Will God allow wickness in HIS Kingdom?
Men who seek the Light will find it and be reunited with the Most High.
The Light is Love. True Light and True Love. The Knowledge of who God is guides us. God is Love and Light.
Christ taught the way, Christ broke down the gates of Hades so even the dead can find the way.
Those who don't make it to the light, stay here in the darkness. Trapped in this world of Darkness. A cycle of death.
The Most High wants sons of Light, he doesn't want to replace his rebellious fallen sons with a new batch of rebellious sons.
Be set free or remain.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,09:05) Men who seek the Light will find it and be reunited with the Most High. The Light is Love. True Light and True Love. The Knowledge of who God is guides us. God is Love and Light.
Christ taught the way, Christ broke down the gates of Hades so even the dead can find the way.
Those who don't make it to the light, stay here in the darkness. Trapped in this world of Darkness. A cycle of death.
The Most High wants sons of Light, he doesn't want to replace his rebellious fallen sons with a new batch of rebellious sons.
Be set free or remain.
So Earth is “hell'?Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 09 2008,09:14) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,09:05) Men who seek the Light will find it and be reunited with the Most High. The Light is Love. True Light and True Love. The Knowledge of who God is guides us. God is Love and Light.
Christ taught the way, Christ broke down the gates of Hades so even the dead can find the way.
Those who don't make it to the light, stay here in the darkness. Trapped in this world of Darkness. A cycle of death.
The Most High wants sons of Light, he doesn't want to replace his rebellious fallen sons with a new batch of rebellious sons.
Be set free or remain.
So Earth is “hell'?
We have 5 words for hell in scripture:Hades and Sheol:
The collective grave. From Where Saul rose up Samuel.
Tarturus:
Where Angels are bound in chains of darkness.
Gehenna:
A trash pit in Jerusalem.
Lake of Fire:
A symbol of destruction just like the trash pit of Gehenna.
As far as a “final” judgement. I don't know personally how that all will transpire. But in the end of all ends. What remains will be burnt up.
That is my best guess.
And at this point, I would wager this being an act of mercy.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,09:20) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 09 2008,09:14) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,09:05) Men who seek the Light will find it and be reunited with the Most High. The Light is Love. True Light and True Love. The Knowledge of who God is guides us. God is Love and Light.
Christ taught the way, Christ broke down the gates of Hades so even the dead can find the way.
Those who don't make it to the light, stay here in the darkness. Trapped in this world of Darkness. A cycle of death.
The Most High wants sons of Light, he doesn't want to replace his rebellious fallen sons with a new batch of rebellious sons.
Be set free or remain.
So Earth is “hell'?
We have 5 words for hell in scripture:Hades and Sheol:
The collective grave. From Where Saul rose up Samuel.
Tarturus:
Where Angels are bound in chains of darkness.
Gehenna:
A trash pit in Jerusalem.
Lake of Fire:
A symbol of destruction just like the trash pit of Gehenna.
As far as a “final” judgement. I don't know personally how that all will transpire. But in the end of all ends. What remains will be burnt up.
That is my best guess.
And at this point, I would wager this being an act of mercy.
See that's what I'm trying to say. The Most High sooner or later will have to destroy the wicked.So why is it so hard to believe that the Most High destroyed those in the OLD Covenant who would NOT accept His Covenant?
Those who “tried” to accept His Covenant were spared! And of course those of the “light” who could keep HIS LAW were rulers as they will be in the future being kings and priest.
You might be right but there are scenarios where this might not be the case.
1)Everything is reconciled to him and not one soul is left.
2) All that is left is children of darkness. Fallen angels. (remember angels becoming men?) The sons of Light are all evacuated after many life times of death and resurrection.
3) The end of all things is a product of the fallen sons. The sun they created when the elohim (gods) made the earth finally dies. Research the death of our sun on google.
I personally don't think God will fail. In the end all sons will be brought into reconciliation with him.
1 timothy 2
3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
2 Timothy 1:9
“Who has saved us and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ before the world began [before eonian times].”
1 Corinthians 5:5
“Deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
Ephesians 1:5
“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.”
Romans 11:25–26
“For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, and so ALL Israel shall be SAVED.”
Ephesians 1
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
In the end all things reconciled!
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,09:51) You might be right but there are scenarios where this might not be the case. 1)Everything is reconciled to him and not one soul is left.
2) All that is left is children of darkness. Fallen angels. (remember angels becoming men?) The sons of Light are all evacuated after many life times of death and resurrection.
3) The end of all things is a product of the fallen sons. The sun they created when the elohim (gods) made the earth finally dies. Research the death of our sun on google.
I personally don't think God will fail. In the end all sons will be brought into reconciliation with him.
1 timothy 2
3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
2 Timothy 1:9
“Who has saved us and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ before the world began [before eonian times].”
1 Corinthians 5:5
“Deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
Ephesians 1:5
“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.”
Romans 11:25–26
“For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, and so ALL Israel shall be SAVED.”
Ephesians 1
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
In the end all things reconciled!
Quote I personally don't think God will fail. In the end all sons will be brought into reconciliation with him. But we have a free choice and as hard as it might be to believe their are those who want to do evil and disobey God just as in Noah's time and the end time.
I agree with you to a point! It seems all truth is mixed with lies including what you are studying. That's why we need the Spirit of truth!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2008,09:59) Hi SOL,
Angels may seem like men
But they never become them.
What do you base this on?The bible gives many examples of this. Angels becoming men. Dining on food and having intercourse with women.
I know you have read the book of enoch.
Multitudes of other records and writings also indicate this indeed is what the essenes and early christians believed.
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 09 2008,10:00) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,09:51) You might be right but there are scenarios where this might not be the case. 1)Everything is reconciled to him and not one soul is left.
2) All that is left is children of darkness. Fallen angels. (remember angels becoming men?) The sons of Light are all evacuated after many life times of death and resurrection.
3) The end of all things is a product of the fallen sons. The sun they created when the elohim (gods) made the earth finally dies. Research the death of our sun on google.
I personally don't think God will fail. In the end all sons will be brought into reconciliation with him.
1 timothy 2
3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
2 Timothy 1:9
“Who has saved us and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ before the world began [before eonian times].”
1 Corinthians 5:5
“Deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
Ephesians 1:5
“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.”
Romans 11:25–26
“For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, and so ALL Israel shall be SAVED.”
Ephesians 1
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
In the end all things reconciled!
Quote I personally don't think God will fail. In the end all sons will be brought into reconciliation with him. But we have a free choice and as hard as it might be to believe their are those who want to do evil and disobey God just as in Noah's time and the end time.
I agree with you to a point! It seems all truth is mixed with lies including what you are studying. That's why we need the Spirit of truth!
I agree.The spirit of Truth is Love and Light.
Anything else is not truth.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,10:10) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 09 2008,10:00) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,09:51) You might be right but there are scenarios where this might not be the case. 1)Everything is reconciled to him and not one soul is left.
2) All that is left is children of darkness. Fallen angels. (remember angels becoming men?) The sons of Light are all evacuated after many life times of death and resurrection.
3) The end of all things is a product of the fallen sons. The sun they created when the elohim (gods) made the earth finally dies. Research the death of our sun on google.
I personally don't think God will fail. In the end all sons will be brought into reconciliation with him.
1 timothy 2
3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
2 Timothy 1:9
“Who has saved us and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ before the world began [before eonian times].”
1 Corinthians 5:5
“Deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
Ephesians 1:5
“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.”
Romans 11:25–26
“For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, and so ALL Israel shall be SAVED.”
Ephesians 1
10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
In the end all things reconciled!
Quote I personally don't think God will fail. In the end all sons will be brought into reconciliation with him. But we have a free choice and as hard as it might be to believe their are those who want to do evil and disobey God just as in Noah's time and the end time.
I agree with you to a point! It seems all truth is mixed with lies including what you are studying. That's why we need the Spirit of truth!
I agree.The spirit of Truth is Love and Light.
Anything else is not truth.
OK but what about Noah and his time then and NOW?!Mat 24:37 As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Jesus' time will come shorter that expected in order to save some flesh. Just as the days of Noah when he entered the ark.
In Noah's time even their thoughts were “deranged”! As the world is coming to today.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,09:20) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 09 2008,09:14) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,09:05) Men who seek the Light will find it and be reunited with the Most High. The Light is Love. True Light and True Love. The Knowledge of who God is guides us. God is Love and Light.
Christ taught the way, Christ broke down the gates of Hades so even the dead can find the way.
Those who don't make it to the light, stay here in the darkness. Trapped in this world of Darkness. A cycle of death.
The Most High wants sons of Light, he doesn't want to replace his rebellious fallen sons with a new batch of rebellious sons.
Be set free or remain.
So Earth is “hell'?
We have 5 words for hell in scripture:Hades and Sheol:
The collective grave. From Where Saul rose up Samuel.
Tarturus:
Where Angels are bound in chains of darkness.
Gehenna:
A trash pit in Jerusalem.
Lake of Fire:
A symbol of destruction just like the trash pit of Gehenna.
As far as a “final” judgement. I don't know personally how that all will transpire. But in the end of all ends. What remains will be burnt up.
That is my best guess.
And at this point, I would wager this being an act of mercy.
SOLYou say…
Quote
As far as a “final” judgement. I don't know personally how that all will transpire. But in the end of all ends. What remains will be burnt up.That is my best guess.
And at this point, I would wager this being an act of mercy.
And there it is, the fallacy of your claim.
Tell me SOL, what is more evil, a young womans life being spared and being raped or casting someone into a fire to be burned up?
Or burning an entire city with fire and sulphor?
Or drowning all of humanity except for eight?
Have you ever been badly burned? I have and it is no picnic. Worst pain I ever felt.
The problem with your image of God is that you see him as some one who will not punish evil, which means that evil would continue forever since Gods love would not permit him to put a stop to it or destroy it.
Your view would mean that evil will triumph over good since good cannot respond.
You have a one-sided view of his nature. God is far greater than you make him out to be.
I repeat from my earlier post…
“You could find yourself accusing Jesus of being a child of darkness also, for Jesus spoke often of the Hebrew scriptures including the destruction of Sodom and Gamorah and about Noah and the destruction of all flesh. He even likens those days to his coming again.
Jn 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.Here Jesus speaks of the Hebrew scriptures which you say belong to the God of the OT, satan.
So you would in reality be saying Jesus is satan, for they testify of him.
Luke 17:26
And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.Jesus spoke much of the Hebrew text and in fact claimed it was written about him…
Luke 24:44
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,Luke 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”Do you not even believe the words of Jesus? Or do you let your “moral compass” tell you if it is his words or not?
You are placing you own conscience above the inspired words of God and your conscience (moral compass)is your guide.
Unless you are perfect then your conscience is not perfect.
Jesus over and over taught the importance of the written scriptures. He quoted them to the god of this world in the wilderness.
Now if you have no concrete evidence that the scriptures are untrue or false, whcih at this time you only have mentioned a few appologist without any real scholarly credibility, then all you have is your word and testimony which is based on other writings.
You accuse us of putting trust in words on pen and paper, yet that is exactly what you have done.
Has the most high appeared to you and spoke these words?
Can you claim that you have a direct revelation from the Father or that Jesus appeared to you and spoke these things outside of scriptures?
It will be interesting to see what you have to say about Jesus own words.
First, you take the greek gospels and believe Jesus literally said everything they say that he said without the possiblity of human interpolation.
Even though different gospels recording these events have him saying different things which prooves that men were recording their traditions or interpretations of what he said.
Second, the evidence is overwhelming Jesus's type of Judaism was Essene. We know what the essene's believed about the scriptures of the pharisees.
Christianity has tacked on pharisee scriptures to Jesus's message.
Lastly, I don't believe God is going to burn anybody. I could be wrong, but I believe that if anybody is going to be destroyed it is the fallen angels. Angels becoming men and walking among us continuing a cycle of evil on this earth. The fallen angels are the sons of darkness.
This is what the essenes believed. Jesus taught that we need to wake up and stop following wicked angel-men, like Nero.
Follow Christ towards the light.
It is not I who blaspheme it is those that credit to the Most High the evil actions of fallen angels.
THE MOST HIGH DOES NOT ORDER RAPE AND MURDER. HE DOES NOT ENJOY THE SWEET SAVOR OF A BURNING CARCASE.
WAKE UP, SLEEPERS!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2008,09:59) Hi SOL,
Angels may seem like men
But they never become them.
Early Christians who disagree with you.Justin Martyr
Tatian
Tertullian
Origien
Clement
IranaeusAll of the Essenes.
And Jesus: You are of your father the devil.
and the pharisees respond: we are not born of fornication.What do you think the book of Jude is talking about. It even quotes enoch.
Angels born as men. Sons of Darkness walking among us. Wandering stars who it is reserved for chains of darkness. Certain men crept in unawares WHO WERE BEFORE OF OLD ORDAINED to this condemantion. (where is this ordained in the book of enoch)
See here where God sentences angels to become men and die.
Psalm 82
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the “gods”:
2 “How long will you [a] defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?
Selah3 Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;
maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed.4 Rescue the weak and needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.5 “They know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.6 “I said, 'You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.'7 But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler.”8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance.
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