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[2besee]

Bod?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 19 2013,16:30)

Hi Bod. I do not believe that John is Lazarus. I believe that John wrote the smaller books of John and also Revelations. This can be seen especially in Revelations where John uses his own name (e.g “I, John…on the Island of Patmos”). However, the name John as the author is not found in the Gospel of John, instead it is only 'the one who Jesus loved'. So, if it had been the same John who wrote the smaller books and Revelations, then why all of the secrecy when it is not evident in Revelations, if you follow. Have you been water baptised when you were a Christian Bod?

Yes, I was baptized by my Mother who is a Minister

[2besee]

Bod,
Well that's good that you are baptized.

How many years have you been a Muslim?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,17:16)

Bod, Well that's good that you are baptized. How many years have you been a Muslim?

It's been about 8.5 years now. Although I consider myself a person of progressive revelation.

I call myself Muslim because of the actual meaning i.e. “Submission to God”

Therefore at times I have even called myself a Christian Muslim meaning a Follower of Christ in Submission to God.

I definitely believe that Jesus was willing to die and was betrayed by Judas and asked God Almighty to Save him and God answered his prayer and was saved

Hebrews 5:6-8

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 28 2013,14:59)

Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,17:16) Bod, Well that's good that you are baptized. How many years have you been a Muslim? It's been about 8.5 years now. Although I consider myself a person of progressive revelation. I call myself Muslim because of the actual meaning i.e. “Submission to God” Therefore at times I have even called myself a Christian Muslim meaning a Follower of Christ in Submission to God. I definitely believe that Jesus was willing to die and was betrayed by Judas and asked God Almighty to Save him and God answered his prayer and was saved Hebrews 5:6-8 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Psalms 22:11-20 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help. 12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. 13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. 14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. 16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. 19 But be not thou far from me, O Lord: O my strength, haste thee to help me. 20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.

For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One(Jesus) to see corruption(RESURRECTION). (Psalms 16:10)

[Ed J]

It just don't fly, YOU have to disregard too many scripture;
at that point you might as well through the whole book out;
hey, that's what you did already – right?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,15:29)

It just don't fly, YOU have to disregard too many scripture; at that point you might as well through the whole book out; hey, that's what you did already – right?

Really? so you don't believe Psalms 91

Psalm 91

1 Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High
will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.[a]
2 I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress,
my God, in whom I trust.”

3 Surely he will save you
from the fowler’s snare
and from the deadly pestilence.
4 He will cover you with his feathers,
and under his wings you will find refuge;
his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.
5 You will not fear the terror of night,
nor the arrow that flies by day,
6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,
nor the plague that destroys at midday.
7 A thousand may fall at your side,
ten thousand at your right hand,
but it will not come near you.
8 You will only observe with your eyes
and see the punishment of the wicked.

This you don't believe, you believe in the punishmet of the innocent

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

  It is you that does not believe ALL the Scriptures, not me my friend:

“Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the
 which the HolySpirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church
 of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts 20:28)

Ed

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 28 2013,15:59)

Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,15:29) It just don't fly, YOU have to disregard too many scripture; at that point you might as well through the whole book out; hey, that's what you did already – right? Really? so you don't believe Psalms 91 Psalm 91 1 Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High    will rest in the shadow of the Almighty.[a] 2 I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress,    my God, in whom I trust.” 3 Surely he will save you    from the fowler’s snare    and from the deadly pestilence. 4 He will cover you with his feathers,    and under his wings you will find refuge;    his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart. 5 You will not fear the terror of night,    nor the arrow that flies by day, 6 nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,    nor the plague that destroys at midday. 7 A thousand may fall at your side,    ten thousand at your right hand,    but it will not come near you. 8 You will only observe with your eyes    and see the punishment of the wicked. This you don't believe, you believe in the punishmet of the innocent

Bodithatrta.

Finally it is God that protect us;but we also must folow his command: We all must go through the mediator appointed
by God. We can not choose our own mediator.
In your case it is Mohamad.

wakeup.

[2besee]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 28 2013,16:59)

Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,17:16) Bod, Well that's good that you are baptized. How many years have you been a Muslim? It's been about 8.5 years now. Although I consider myself a person of progressive revelation. I call myself Muslim because of the actual meaning i.e. “Submission to God” Therefore at times I have even called myself a Christian Muslim meaning a Follower of Christ in Submission to God. I definitely believe that Jesus was willing to die and was betrayed by Judas and asked God Almighty to Save him and God answered his prayer and was saved Hebrews 5:6-8 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Bod,
Jesus WAS saved from death. He was raised from the dead  into eternal life!

[2besee]

Ed, If something does not seem to make sense, then always look for clarification from other scriptures as to what it means.
Now we know that God is spirit and we know that the holy spirit is spirit. Now spirit does not have blood does it.
So here is your clarification as to the meaning of that verse:

Hebrews 9:14

How much more will the blood of Christ(Jesus), who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

[Ed J]

Quote (2besee @ June 28 2013,22:06)

Ed,  If something does not seem to make sense, then always look for clarification from other scriptures as to what it means. Now we know that God is spirit and we know that the holy spirit is spirit. Now spirit does not have blood does it. So here is your clarification as to the meaning of that verse: Hebrews 9:14 How much more will the blood of Christ(Jesus), who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

…and that is clarification to what verse again?

[2besee]

Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,18:48)

Hi BD,   It is you that does not believe ALL the Scriptures, not me my friend: “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the  which the HolySpirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church  of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts 20:28) Ed

Hi Ed,
To this post.

[Ed J]

Hi 2Besee,

Scientists surmise that the blood in the fetus comes from the father,
that would mean Jesus had “God Blood” running through his veins.
That would also explain how his shed blood is able to remove sin.

Ed

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,19:21)

BOD, NO, that does not strike me as part of the mystery because I do believe that Jesus was crucified, and that Jesus was risen from the dead, so that is NOT a mystery to me – nobody “took his place” BOD! Now, if Lazarus is true, and as Lazarus is “the one who Jesus loved the most”, WHY. That aside, if there are any doubts or contradictions or things like the Qur'an, and other books, if you do believe in Jesus and if you do believe that God sent Him, then the one whos testimony is true should be the one that you believe in. DO YOU BELIEVE IN ALL OF THE BOOK OF JOHN, BOD?

2Besee.

Lazarus was not one of the twelve apostles.
He was the brother of Martha,and Mary.

The apostle that jesus loved was the youngest,he is John.
He is the last of the apostles to survive up to the revelation.

Lazarus was not resurrected from the dead;but revived from death to life.
Jesus was the *first* to be resurrected in spirit.
*No one* can be before him.

Col.1:18. And he he is the head of the body,the church:
Who is the beginning,the first *BORN* from the dead:
That in all things he might have the *PREEMINENCE*.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (2besee @ June 28 2013,21:52)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 28 2013,16:59) Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,17:16) Bod, Well that's good that you are baptized. How many years have you been a Muslim? It's been about 8.5 years now. Although I consider myself a person of progressive revelation. I call myself Muslim because of the actual meaning i.e. “Submission to God” Therefore at times I have even called myself a Christian Muslim meaning a Follower of Christ in Submission to God. I definitely believe that Jesus was willing to die and was betrayed by Judas and asked God Almighty to Save him and God answered his prayer and was saved Hebrews 5:6-8 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; Bod, Jesus WAS saved from death. He was raised from the dead  into eternal life!

I believe the same thing, you just believe he was killed/crucified.

You call being saved from death being risen but how is that being saved from death? if You died.

[2besee]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2013,15:01)

Quote (2besee @ June 28 2013,21:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 28 2013,16:59) Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,17:16) Bod, Well that's good that you are baptized. How many years have you been a Muslim? It's been about 8.5 years now. Although I consider myself a person of progressive revelation. I call myself Muslim because of the actual meaning i.e. “Submission to God” Therefore at times I have even called myself a Christian Muslim meaning a Follower of Christ in Submission to God. I definitely believe that Jesus was willing to die and was betrayed by Judas and asked God Almighty to Save him and God answered his prayer and was saved Hebrews 5:6-8 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; Bod, Jesus WAS saved from death. He was raised from the dead  into eternal life! I believe the same thing, you just believe he was killed/crucified. You call being saved from death being risen but how is that being saved from death? if You died.

Bod,

John 11.

23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life.  Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?” 27 She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming into the world.”

I watched a documentary once about some Christian group, Eastern Orthodox I think, and whenever one of them dies, they celebrate, because they are going to Heaven,

[2besee]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,01:56)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,19:21) BOD, NO, that does not strike me as part of the mystery because I do believe that Jesus was crucified, and that Jesus was risen from the dead, so that is NOT a mystery to me – nobody “took his place” BOD! Now, if Lazarus is true, and as Lazarus is “the one who Jesus loved the most”, WHY. That aside, if there are any doubts or contradictions or things like the Qur'an, and other books, if you do believe in Jesus and if you do believe that God sent Him, then the one whos testimony is true should be the one that you believe in. DO YOU BELIEVE IN ALL OF THE BOOK OF JOHN, BOD? 2Besee. Lazarus was not one of the twelve apostles. He was the brother of Martha,and Mary. The apostle that jesus loved was the youngest,he is John. He is the last of the apostles to survive up to the revelation. Lazarus was not resurrected from the dead;but revived from death to life. Jesus was the *first* to be resurrected in spirit. *No one* can be before him. Col.1:18. And he he is the head of the body,the church: Who is the beginning,the first *BORN* from the dead: That in all things he might have the *PREEMINENCE*. wakeup.

Says Wakeup!

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,00:14)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,01:56) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,19:21) BOD, NO, that does not strike me as part of the mystery because I do believe that Jesus was crucified, and that Jesus was risen from the dead, so that is NOT a mystery to me – nobody “took his place” BOD! Now, if Lazarus is true, and as Lazarus is “the one who Jesus loved the most”, WHY. That aside, if there are any doubts or contradictions or things like the Qur'an, and other books, if you do believe in Jesus and if you do believe that God sent Him, then the one whos testimony is true should be the one that you believe in. DO YOU BELIEVE IN ALL OF THE BOOK OF JOHN, BOD? 2Besee. Lazarus was not one of the twelve apostles. He was the brother of Martha,and Mary. The apostle that jesus loved was the youngest,he is John. He is the last of the apostles to survive up to the revelation. Lazarus was not resurrected from the dead;but revived from death to life. Jesus was the *first* to be resurrected in spirit. *No one* can be before him. Col.1:18. And he he is the head of the body,the church: Who is the beginning,the first *BORN* from the dead: That in all things he might have the *PREEMINENCE*. wakeup. Says Wakeup!

2Besee.

Do you really believe that jesus was second to be resurrected? Y/N.

You are denying plain scripture again,for what reason?
Because it is I that pointed it out to you?
I will put a protest, and shout this is a discrimination.
No,I dont care.

wakup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,00:11)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2013,15:01) Quote (2besee @ June 28 2013,21:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 28 2013,16:59) Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,17:16) Bod, Well that's good that you are baptized. How many years have you been a Muslim? It's been about 8.5 years now. Although I consider myself a person of progressive revelation. I call myself Muslim because of the actual meaning i.e. “Submission to God” Therefore at times I have even called myself a Christian Muslim meaning a Follower of Christ in Submission to God. I definitely believe that Jesus was willing to die and was betrayed by Judas and asked God Almighty to Save him and God answered his prayer and was saved Hebrews 5:6-8 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; Bod, Jesus WAS saved from death. He was raised from the dead  into eternal life! I believe the same thing, you just believe he was killed/crucified. You call being saved from death being risen but how is that being saved from death? if You died. Bod, John 11. 23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life.  Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?” 27 She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming into the world.” I watched a documentary once about some Christian group, Eastern Orthodox I think, and whenever one of them dies, they celebrate, because they are going to Heaven,

They should celebrate

Yes, WE believe in the resurrection on th last day and we alo believe:

And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah “dead.” Nay, they are living, only ye perceive not.

( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #154)

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