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B,tharta.
I dont follow the levitical law,but I study the old prophecies.
They are concerning the last days also.
And I study the history in first and second kings and also the chronicles.Christians followed the new covenant with Christ,they dont follow the old covenant,which is the law,but read the old testament also.
Muslems dont have the 10 commandments,I dont know what commandments they follow.THe children of ishmail are called ishmeelites,not hebrews.
You have to be careful,because satan has worked thousands of years corrupting the world,and that includes the jews.
But God had protected his book,the holy bible.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2012,14:35) B,tharta. I dont follow the levitical law,but I study the old prophecies.
They are concerning the last days also.
And I study the history in first and second kings and also the chronicles.Christians followed the new covenant with Christ,they dont follow the old covenant,which is the law,but read the old testament also.
Muslems dont have the 10 commandments,I dont know what commandments they follow.THe children of ishmail are called ishmeelites,not hebrews.
You have to be careful,because satan has worked thousands of years corrupting the world,and that includes the jews.
But God had protected his book,the holy bible.wakeup.
You do understand that the Bible is a collection of various books, correct?The Jews follow the Torah which are the first five books of the Bible and they also read the prophets there is no such thing as “the Bible” in the Jewish religion that is a Christian invention. You also agree that you ignore the levitical law so as a Christian you follow your covenant and not the commandments in general and there are much more than 10 there are about 617 the ten just top the list. Do you follow any of the dietary laws or the many other laws, most likely not.
I you go back in the bible you will see what God told Noah and all mankind:
Hi Wakeup,
Bod said that there is no such thing as the bible “in the Jewish religion”.
I don't think that Bod is Jewish.Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 21 2012,18:17) Hi Wake Up, Bod said that there is no such thing as the bible “in the Jewish religion”.
I don't think that Bod is Jewish.Tim
timI do not think Bod knows what he really his ,he is not a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or
???so until he knows he talks in all of them .I guess
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 22 2012,02:14) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 21 2012,18:17) Hi Wake Up, Bod said that there is no such thing as the bible “in the Jewish religion”.
I don't think that Bod is Jewish.Tim
timI do not think Bod knows what he really his ,he is not a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or
???so until he knows he talks in all of them .I guess
You look for a label for your own comfort and to Judge:John 8:15
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.So what really am I? I am what I am, a Man.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,07:56) YES I DO;WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW,BUT UNDER A NEW COVENANT.THE LAW WAS CRUCYFIED AND BURIED WITH JESUS. Wakeup, no it wasn't.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2012,16:24) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 14 2012,18:42) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 13 2012,04:26) 2Beesee. Jesus is hardly mentioned in the qur'an,and yet they say that he is born of God.
Very strange.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup, most of Islam have not had a chance to hear the truth.
Islam is The Truth. Jesus is mentioned in the Quran way more than Muhammad is.The Truth is Clear in The Gorious Quran
Bod, but Islam says that Jesus and Mohammad are both equal doesn't it?
From what I have read about Jesus in the Quran, most of what it says is to make the claim that God has no son.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 15 2012,18:54) 4. Do you celebrate christmas? Do you celebrate Christmas? Just wondering.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 22 2012,22:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,07:56) YES I DO;WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW,BUT UNDER A NEW COVENANT.THE LAW WAS CRUCYFIED AND BURIED WITH JESUS. Wakeup, no it wasn't.
2Besee.Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of THE LAW are under the CURSE: for it is written, CURSED is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of THE LAW to do them.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by THE LAW in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:12 And THE LAW is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of THE LAW, being made a CURSE for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, THE LAW, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Galatians 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth THE LAW? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
If you choose to live by the law; you will also be judged by the law. If you chose to live by Christ;you will be judged by his mercy.
All will be found guilty, if judged by the law;for you break one commandment and you are guilty of all.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 22 2012,22:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 15 2012,18:54) 4. Do you celebrate christmas? Do you celebrate Christmas? Just wondering.
2Besee.The world hates everything to do with God and Christ.
But the world will love its own.
Christmas is adored by the world,therefore you should know that it is the worlds.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 22 2012,22:03) Bod, but Islam says that Jesus and Mohammad are both equal doesn't it? From what I have read about Jesus in the Quran, most of what it says is to make the claim that God has no son.
Say: “We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam).”
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #84)It is not for us to make distinctions between one and another Messenger or Prophet because all Praise is due to God.
The commandments clearly tell us to Love God with all our hearts, souls and minds.
And to love our neighbor as we love ourselves so if you love Jesus you are not to love him more than you love another believer be it Muhammad or your best friend that is why Jesus says
Matthew 25:40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.Matthew 25:45
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.In regards to Jesus in the Quran most of what it says is that Jesus was created by God and Jesus is Christ a Spirit proceeding from God and a Word from Him
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 22 2012,22:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 15 2012,18:54) 4. Do you celebrate christmas? Do you celebrate Christmas? Just wondering.
No I stopped celebrating Christmas long before ever reading the Quran I stopped celebrating Christmas because it is not really based on Christianity it is mostly a pagan celebrationJeremiah 10:2-4
King James Version (KJV)
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Sounds like a Christmas tree to me or at least it's the same idea
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2012,07:03) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 22 2012,22:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 15 2012,18:54) 4. Do you celebrate christmas? Do you celebrate Christmas? Just wondering.
No I stopped celebrating Christmas long before ever reading the Quran I stopped celebrating Christmas because it is not really based on Christianity it is mostly a pagan celebrationJeremiah 10:2-4
King James Version (KJV)
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Sounds like a Christmas tree to me or at least it's the same idea
B,tharta.Do you celebrate the yearly hudg?
wakeup.
Hi all,
I haven't had time to read over this, I have been away,but Bod, I wanted to ask you – what IS the story about Ishmael?
I heard there was some 'mix up' (possibly)
Do you know about this?Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2012,09:03)
Jeremiah 10:2-4King James Version (KJV)
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Sounds like a Christmas tree to me or at least it's the same idea
Good verse on the Christmas tree, yes it definitely sounds like one.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2012,03:04) B,tharta. Do you celebrate the yearly hudg?
wakeup.
Wakeup, what's a hudg? Never heard of that word:D
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2012,02:56) 2Besee. The world hates everything to do with God and Christ.
But the world will love its own.
Christmas is adored by the world,therefore you should know that it is the worlds.wakeup.
Yes I agree Wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2012,02:52) 2Besee. Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of THE LAW are under the CURSE: for it is written, CURSED is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of THE LAW to do them.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by THE LAW in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:12 And THE LAW is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of THE LAW, being made a CURSE for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, THE LAW, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Galatians 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth THE LAW? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
If you choose to live by the law; you will also be judged by the law. If you chose to live by Christ;you will be judged by his mercy.
All will be found guilty, if judged by the law;for you break one commandment and you are guilty of all.
wakeup.
Wakeup, so then you can sin?
Matthew 5,
17 “Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. 19 Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
21 “You have heard that it was said to the ancient ones, 'You shall not murder;' and 'Whoever shall murder shall be in danger of the judgment.' 22 But I tell you, that everyone who is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment; and whoever shall say to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council; and whoever shall say, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of the fire of Gehenna. 23 “If therefore you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has anything against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are with him in the way; lest perhaps the prosecutor deliver you to the judge, and the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be cast into prison. 26 Most certainly I tell you, you shall by no means get out of there, until you have paid the last penny.
27 “You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery;' 28 but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna. 30 If your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off, and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one of your members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna.
31 “It was also said, 'Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce,' 32 but I tell you that whoever puts away his wife, except for the cause of sexual immorality, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries her when she is put away commits adultery.
33 “Again you have heard that it was said to them of old time, 'You shall not make false vows, but shall perform to the Lord your vows, 34 but I tell you, don't swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is the throne of God; 35 nor by the earth, for it is the footstool of his feet; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shall you swear by your head, for you can't make one hair white or black. 37 But let your 'Yes' be 'Yes' and your 'No' be 'No.' Whatever is more than these is of the evil one.
38 “You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' 39 But I tell you, don't resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 If anyone sues you to take away your coat, let him have your cloak also. 41 Whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and don't turn away him who desires to borrow from you.
43″You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.' 44 But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Don't even the tax collectors do the same? 47 If you only greet your friends, what more do you do than others? Don't even the tax collectors do the same? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
So what exactly was 'done away with' out of the ten commandments?
Do we sin now – is that what Paul was saying? Do we give our hearts to Jesus and sing songs and all is well?
I don't think so. That's not what Jesus said.
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