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Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,05:56) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 19 2012,13:16) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 18 2012,13:11) Btharta. Not so,I dont belong to any denomination.
I follow the holy book.Here are some scriptures stating that Jesus gave up his life;not that it makes any difference to you,for yo can reject any scripture that dont suit you.
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I LAY DOWN MY LIFE, that I might take it again.
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I LAY IT DOWN OF MY SELF. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This COMMANDMENT have I received of my FATHER.(God speaking through him).
Commandment 4. Remember the sabath day,to keep it holy.
The muslems dont have this,so how can it be the same God?
Friday the 6th day is the day of worship for the muslems,this is not the same god.The gap was with the muslems,from Adam to ad630. there was nothing re' allah or friday worship.There were no mosques.
Nothing; while the jews are worshipping God,and now the christians,still worshipping the same God.That big gap needs to be filled,so they just borrowed it of the bible,take here a little and there a little.
The muslems dont have the 10 commandments.
They dont have the church; they dont have the apostles,they dont have the prophets,they dont have the revelations,they don have baptism,they dont have the new covenant and they dont have the truth.wakeup.
WakeupThe commandments and the Law was given to the Jews. God said they were a seperate people unto Himself. You do not keep the 4th commandment and the gentiles were not even told to keep the 4th commandment so once again you are not understanding what you are arguing about.
Acts 21:25
As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.Christians worship on Sunday and Muslims worship on Friday and guess what all the same God.
Also you don't follow the Holy book, you study it. You cannot tell me you are following the entire Jewish law and also being agentile not following the entire Jewish law so which part of the Holy Book are you not following?
As far as the commandments you should read the Quran and you would obviously know what you are talking about even how the Jews violated the Sabbath:
O ye People of the Book! believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you, before We change the face and fame of some (of you) beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be carried out.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #47)And for their covenant we raised over them (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai); and (on another occasion) we said: “Enter the gate with humility”; and (once again) we commanded them: “Transgress not in the matter of the sabbath.” And we took from them a solemn covenant.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #154)The sabbath was only made (strict) for those who disagreed (as to its observance); But Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment, as to their differences.
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #124)and we know this is tru says Jesus:
Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:Islam has the prophets and all that came before it, would it make sense to say Christians don't have the Prophets? Think about it Christianity is based upon Jesus Christ the Jews reject Christ so they would not say the Jewish prophets are part of Christianity right?
B,tharta.The commandments and the Law was given to the Jews. God said they were a seperate people unto Himself. You do not keep the 4th commandment and the gentiles were not even told to keep the 4th commandment so once again you are not understanding what you are arguing about.
YES I DO;WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW,BUT UNDER A NEW COVENANT.THE LAW WAS CRUCYFIED AND BURIED WITH JESUS.
BUT MUSLEMS CAN NOT CLAIM THIS,FOR JESUS DID NOT MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE MUSLEMS ,BUT WITH THE CHRISTIANS.Acts 21:25
As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.YES,BUT MUSLEMS CAN NOT JOIN THIS FOLD,THEY ARE OF A STRANGE FOLD. WORSHIPPING ANOTHER GOD,NOT THE SAME GOD OF JESUS.
Christians worship on Sunday and Muslims worship on Friday and guess what all the same God.
NOT THE SAME GOD,BECAUSE THE GOD OF THE JEWS SAID; THE SABATH IS THE DAY OF WORSHIP, FOR THE PHYSICAL JEWS. MUSLEMS HAVE NO COVENANT WITH JESUS,BECAUSE THEY DONT ACCEPT HIM AS HE IS;THE SON OF GOD.
Also you don't follow the Holy book, you study it. You cannot tell me you are following the entire Jewish law and also being agentile not following the entire Jewish law so which part of the Holy Book are you not following?
TRUE CHRISTIANS WORSHIP GOD EVERY DAY IN THEIR HEARTS,NO NEED TO GO HERE, OR THERE,FOR GOD IS IN US.
WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD.AND WE NEED TO KEEP IT CLEAN.As far as the commandments you should read the Quran and you would obviously know what you are talking about even how the Jews violated the Sabbath:
WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT THE PHYSICAL JEW,BUT THE SPIRITUAL JEW.
O ye People of the Book! believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you, before We change the face and fame of some (of you) beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be carried out.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #47)ONE CAN ONLY BREAK THE SABATH, IF HE IS STILL UNDER THE LAW,FOR NOT ACCEPTING THE MESSIAH.
And for their covenant we raised over them (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai); and (on another occasion) we said: “Enter the gate with humility”; and (once again) we commanded them: “Transgress not in the matter of the sabbath.” And we took from them a solemn covenant.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #154)WHAT COVENANT HAS JESUS MADE WITH MUSLEMS?
FOR YOU PREACH MOHAMAD,AND JESUS THE PROPHET.The sabbath was only made (strict) for those who disagreed (as to its observance); But Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment, as to their differences.
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #124)THE JUDGEMENT WILL COME,AND MUSLEMS WILL BE JUDGED BY THE BOOK(the second resurrection),NOT BY CHRIST;OF WICH IS THE FIRST REURRECTION.
and we know this is tru says Jesus:
WHICH JESUS? BUT THE MUSLEM KIND OF JESUS; NOT THE SON OF GOD.
Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:THIS IS TRUE,FOR THE TRUE CHRISTIANS ONLY.
THE MUSLEMS HAVE THEIR OWN DAY; THE 6TH DAY.Islam has the prophets and all that came before it, would it make sense to say Christians don't have the Prophets? Think about it Christianity is based upon Jesus Christ the Jews reject Christ so they would not say the Jewish prophets are part of Christianity right?
TRUE CHRISTIANS FOLLOW THE OLD AND THE NEW,THE PROPHETS AND THE GOSPELS, AND ALL PROPHECIES.
THE HOLY BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD,THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT.Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.
MUSLEMS CAN NOT CLAIM JESUS THE SON OF GOD AS THEIR MESSIAH. THEY HAVE AN OTHER JESUS,THE PROPHET OF GOD; NOT THE SAME JESUS;FOR THE CHRISTIAN JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD.THE WORD MADE FLESH.
MUSLEMS DONT FOLLOW THE WORD,FOR THE WORD IS THE SON OF GOD,OF WHICH MUSLEMS REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE.
wakeup.
Nice try but you don't keep the Sabbath and you arenot a “spiritual Jew” unless you disagree with the Bible that says:Romans 3:29
Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:All true worshipers worship God every day
If you say that the law was crucified and buried with Jesus then why are you saying that you follow all the Bible and further more why do you still have to refrain from sin to be saved?
You like everyone else must repent from sin to be saved, right?
B,tharta.
I dont follow the levitical law,but I study the old prophecies.
They are concerning the last days also.
And I study the history in first and second kings and also the chronicles.Christians followed the new covenant with Christ,they dont follow the old covenant,which is the law,but read the old testament also.
Muslems dont have the 10 commandments,I dont know what commandments they follow.THe children of ishmail are called ishmeelites,not hebrews.
You have to be careful,because satan has worked thousands of years corrupting the world,and that includes the jews.
But God had protected his book,the holy bible.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 21 2012,14:35) B,tharta. I dont follow the levitical law,but I study the old prophecies.
They are concerning the last days also.
And I study the history in first and second kings and also the chronicles.Christians followed the new covenant with Christ,they dont follow the old covenant,which is the law,but read the old testament also.
Muslems dont have the 10 commandments,I dont know what commandments they follow.THe children of ishmail are called ishmeelites,not hebrews.
You have to be careful,because satan has worked thousands of years corrupting the world,and that includes the jews.
But God had protected his book,the holy bible.wakeup.
You do understand that the Bible is a collection of various books, correct?The Jews follow the Torah which are the first five books of the Bible and they also read the prophets there is no such thing as “the Bible” in the Jewish religion that is a Christian invention. You also agree that you ignore the levitical law so as a Christian you follow your covenant and not the commandments in general and there are much more than 10 there are about 617 the ten just top the list. Do you follow any of the dietary laws or the many other laws, most likely not.
I you go back in the bible you will see what God told Noah and all mankind:
Hi Wakeup,
Bod said that there is no such thing as the bible “in the Jewish religion”.
I don't think that Bod is Jewish.Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 21 2012,18:17) Hi Wake Up, Bod said that there is no such thing as the bible “in the Jewish religion”.
I don't think that Bod is Jewish.Tim
timI do not think Bod knows what he really his ,he is not a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or
???so until he knows he talks in all of them .I guess
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 22 2012,02:14) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 21 2012,18:17) Hi Wake Up, Bod said that there is no such thing as the bible “in the Jewish religion”.
I don't think that Bod is Jewish.Tim
timI do not think Bod knows what he really his ,he is not a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or
???so until he knows he talks in all of them .I guess
You look for a label for your own comfort and to Judge:John 8:15
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.So what really am I? I am what I am, a Man.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,07:56) YES I DO;WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW,BUT UNDER A NEW COVENANT.THE LAW WAS CRUCYFIED AND BURIED WITH JESUS. Wakeup, no it wasn't.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 15 2012,16:24) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 14 2012,18:42) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 13 2012,04:26) 2Beesee. Jesus is hardly mentioned in the qur'an,and yet they say that he is born of God.
Very strange.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup, most of Islam have not had a chance to hear the truth.
Islam is The Truth. Jesus is mentioned in the Quran way more than Muhammad is.The Truth is Clear in The Gorious Quran
Bod, but Islam says that Jesus and Mohammad are both equal doesn't it?
From what I have read about Jesus in the Quran, most of what it says is to make the claim that God has no son.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 15 2012,18:54) 4. Do you celebrate christmas? Do you celebrate Christmas? Just wondering.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 22 2012,22:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 20 2012,07:56) YES I DO;WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW,BUT UNDER A NEW COVENANT.THE LAW WAS CRUCYFIED AND BURIED WITH JESUS. Wakeup, no it wasn't.
2Besee.Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of THE LAW are under the CURSE: for it is written, CURSED is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of THE LAW to do them.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by THE LAW in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:12 And THE LAW is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of THE LAW, being made a CURSE for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, THE LAW, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Galatians 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth THE LAW? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
If you choose to live by the law; you will also be judged by the law. If you chose to live by Christ;you will be judged by his mercy.
All will be found guilty, if judged by the law;for you break one commandment and you are guilty of all.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 22 2012,22:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 15 2012,18:54) 4. Do you celebrate christmas? Do you celebrate Christmas? Just wondering.
2Besee.The world hates everything to do with God and Christ.
But the world will love its own.
Christmas is adored by the world,therefore you should know that it is the worlds.wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 22 2012,22:03) Bod, but Islam says that Jesus and Mohammad are both equal doesn't it? From what I have read about Jesus in the Quran, most of what it says is to make the claim that God has no son.
Say: “We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam).”
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #84)It is not for us to make distinctions between one and another Messenger or Prophet because all Praise is due to God.
The commandments clearly tell us to Love God with all our hearts, souls and minds.
And to love our neighbor as we love ourselves so if you love Jesus you are not to love him more than you love another believer be it Muhammad or your best friend that is why Jesus says
Matthew 25:40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.Matthew 25:45
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.In regards to Jesus in the Quran most of what it says is that Jesus was created by God and Jesus is Christ a Spirit proceeding from God and a Word from Him
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 22 2012,22:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 15 2012,18:54) 4. Do you celebrate christmas? Do you celebrate Christmas? Just wondering.
No I stopped celebrating Christmas long before ever reading the Quran I stopped celebrating Christmas because it is not really based on Christianity it is mostly a pagan celebrationJeremiah 10:2-4
King James Version (KJV)
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Sounds like a Christmas tree to me or at least it's the same idea
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2012,07:03) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 22 2012,22:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 15 2012,18:54) 4. Do you celebrate christmas? Do you celebrate Christmas? Just wondering.
No I stopped celebrating Christmas long before ever reading the Quran I stopped celebrating Christmas because it is not really based on Christianity it is mostly a pagan celebrationJeremiah 10:2-4
King James Version (KJV)
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Sounds like a Christmas tree to me or at least it's the same idea
B,tharta.Do you celebrate the yearly hudg?
wakeup.
Hi all,
I haven't had time to read over this, I have been away,but Bod, I wanted to ask you – what IS the story about Ishmael?
I heard there was some 'mix up' (possibly)
Do you know about this?Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2012,09:03)
Jeremiah 10:2-4King James Version (KJV)
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Sounds like a Christmas tree to me or at least it's the same idea
Good verse on the Christmas tree, yes it definitely sounds like one.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 24 2012,03:04) B,tharta. Do you celebrate the yearly hudg?
wakeup.
Wakeup, what's a hudg? Never heard of that word:D
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2012,02:56) 2Besee. The world hates everything to do with God and Christ.
But the world will love its own.
Christmas is adored by the world,therefore you should know that it is the worlds.wakeup.
Yes I agree Wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 23 2012,02:52) 2Besee. Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of THE LAW are under the CURSE: for it is written, CURSED is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of THE LAW to do them.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by THE LAW in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Galatians 3:12 And THE LAW is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of THE LAW, being made a CURSE for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, THE LAW, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Galatians 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth THE LAW? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
If you choose to live by the law; you will also be judged by the law. If you chose to live by Christ;you will be judged by his mercy.
All will be found guilty, if judged by the law;for you break one commandment and you are guilty of all.
wakeup.
Wakeup, so then you can sin?
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