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Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:24) Do you think if you saw Jesus in tht day andcalled out to him “JESUS” tht he would have recognized that wordas pertaining to him?
Hi BD,God's ONLY begotten Son is named “YA-shu-a”, not Jesus, nor Isa.
Ed J
Then why do you EVER say JESUS? You are a HYPOCRITE!STOP saying “GOD” STOP saying “JESUS” and STOP saying “ED” you need to stop making mischief you don't need to keep being a LIAR like your father the Devil.
Worship GOD!
Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:40) Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:24) Do you think if you saw Jesus in tht day andcalled out to him “JESUS” tht he would have recognized that wordas pertaining to him?
Hi BD,God's ONLY begotten Son is named “YA-shu-a”, not Jesus, nor Isa.
Ed J
And do YOU know what the name “YA-shu-a means?
EDDo you love Jesus?
bod
tell me why is it that Christ says that their is no other means to have eternal live unless you come through him
and why he said that he is the light of men ,so that their is no other light (truth) BESIDE HIM ,would this not disqualified Muhammad the prophet of being a true representative of the true God of Jesus Christ Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.Jn 6:27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Jn 6:28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jn 6:29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this:to believe in the one he has sent.”it was Jesus Christ his son.
it seems it was not Mohammad that the true God as send
but to me it seems to me you try to make a square peg into a round hole ,and hopping it will fill in all of the space ,and also hopping that we are going to fall for it ,not in your dreams only the weak ones will or could ,because they have no roots in truth .
Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,11:53) bod tell me why is it that Christ says that their is no other means to have eternal live unless you come through him
and why he said that he is the light of men ,so that their is no other light (truth) BESIDE HIM ,would this not disqualified Muhammad the prophet of being a true representative of the true God of Jesus Christ Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.Jn 6:27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Jn 6:28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jn 6:29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this:to believe in the one he has sent.”it was Jesus Christ his son.
it seems it was not Mohammad that the true God as send
but to me it seems to me you try to make a square peg into a round hole ,and hopping it will fill in all of the space ,and also hopping that we are going to fall for it ,not in your dreams only the weak ones will or could ,because they have no roots in truth .
Jesus Christ said:John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:45) Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:37) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:24) Do you think if you saw Jesus in tht day andcalled out to him “JESUS” tht he would have recognized that wordas pertaining to him?
Hi BD,God's ONLY begotten Son is named “YA-shu-a”, not Jesus, nor Isa.
Ed J
Then why do you EVER say JESUS? You are a HYPOCRITE!STOP saying “GOD” STOP saying “JESUS” and STOP saying “ED” you need to stop making mischief you don't need to keep being a LIAR like your father the Devil.
Worship GOD!
Hi BD,God's name is YHVH and (in English) we say JEHOVAH.
Jesus' name is “YA-shu-a” and (in English) we say Jesus.
My father is Jesus' father, and HE(YHVH) does have children!Ed (witness)
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:47) ED Do you love Jesus?
Are you getting schizophrenic now?Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:49) Ecellent! Then you love Jesus then?
You just said this (see quote) in the other thread. (Link)Ed
Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,12:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:47) ED Do you love Jesus?
Are you getting schizophrenic now?Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:49) Ecellent! Then you love Jesus then?
You just said this (see quote) in the other thread. (Link)Ed
I already know you love Jesus the point was you don't always call him Jesus nor do you call God always God.Likewise I call God “ALLAH” like you call God “YHVH” or JESUS “Ya-shu-ah”
WE BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD and THE JEWS BELIEVE in THE SAME GOD, YOU CLAIM THE GOD OF THE JEWS but you do not reject CHRIST JESUS as most JEWS DO.
YOU REJECT MUSLIMS who ACCEPT CHRIST s MOST JEWS DO NOT. HYPOCRISY
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,07:28) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,11:53) bod tell me why is it that Christ says that their is no other means to have eternal live unless you come through him
and why he said that he is the light of men ,so that their is no other light (truth) BESIDE HIM ,would this not disqualified Muhammad the prophet of being a true representative of the true God of Jesus Christ Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.Jn 6:27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Jn 6:28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jn 6:29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this:to believe in the one he has sent.”it was Jesus Christ his son.
it seems it was not Mohammad that the true God as send
but to me it seems to me you try to make a square peg into a round hole ,and hopping it will fill in all of the space ,and also hopping that we are going to fall for it ,not in your dreams only the weak ones will or could ,because they have no roots in truth .
Jesus Christ said:John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
bodand when he went up ,you mean the light went out
of cause not HIS DISCIPLES CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THAT LIGHT (TRUTH) TO ALL ,AND LATHER IT WAS MADE IN WRITINGS ,THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE BIBLE
SO THE KORAN STILL NOT THE BOOK OF LIGHT ,(TRUTH)
Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,13:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,07:28) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,11:53) bod tell me why is it that Christ says that their is no other means to have eternal live unless you come through him
and why he said that he is the light of men ,so that their is no other light (truth) BESIDE HIM ,would this not disqualified Muhammad the prophet of being a true representative of the true God of Jesus Christ Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.Jn 6:27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Jn 6:28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jn 6:29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this:to believe in the one he has sent.”it was Jesus Christ his son.
it seems it was not Mohammad that the true God as send
but to me it seems to me you try to make a square peg into a round hole ,and hopping it will fill in all of the space ,and also hopping that we are going to fall for it ,not in your dreams only the weak ones will or could ,because they have no roots in truth .
Jesus Christ said:John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
bodand when he went up ,you mean the light went out
of cause not HIS DISCIPLES CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THAT LIGHT (TRUTH) TO ALL ,AND LATHER IT WAS MADE IN WRITINGS ,THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE BIBLE
SO THE KORAN STILL NOT THE BOOK OF LIGHT ,(TRUTH)
You are not concerned with the truth, you just want to be right.That's fine by me. But you know you feel a little lost, I'm Here
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,13:24) WE BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD
Hi BD,My “GOD” has no affiliation with the quran –
is 'your god' that same GOD as my GOD?Ed
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,09:51) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,13:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,07:28) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,11:53) bod tell me why is it that Christ says that their is no other means to have eternal live unless you come through him
and why he said that he is the light of men ,so that their is no other light (truth) BESIDE HIM ,would this not disqualified Muhammad the prophet of being a true representative of the true God of Jesus Christ Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.Jn 6:27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Jn 6:28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jn 6:29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this:to believe in the one he has sent.”it was Jesus Christ his son.
it seems it was not Mohammad that the true God as send
but to me it seems to me you try to make a square peg into a round hole ,and hopping it will fill in all of the space ,and also hopping that we are going to fall for it ,not in your dreams only the weak ones will or could ,because they have no roots in truth .
Jesus Christ said:John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
bodand when he went up ,you mean the light went out
of cause not HIS DISCIPLES CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THAT LIGHT (TRUTH) TO ALL ,AND LATHER IT WAS MADE IN WRITINGS ,THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE BIBLE
SO THE KORAN STILL NOT THE BOOK OF LIGHT ,(TRUTH)
You are not concerned with the truth, you just want to be right.That's fine by me. But you know you feel a little lost, I'm Here
BodYou are wrong ,but you did not say anything beside judging me of what you like me to be ,
Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,15:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,09:51) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,13:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,07:28) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,11:53) bod tell me why is it that Christ says that their is no other means to have eternal live unless you come through him
and why he said that he is the light of men ,so that their is no other light (truth) BESIDE HIM ,would this not disqualified Muhammad the prophet of being a true representative of the true God of Jesus Christ Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.Jn 6:27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Jn 6:28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jn 6:29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this:to believe in the one he has sent.”it was Jesus Christ his son.
it seems it was not Mohammad that the true God as send
but to me it seems to me you try to make a square peg into a round hole ,and hopping it will fill in all of the space ,and also hopping that we are going to fall for it ,not in your dreams only the weak ones will or could ,because they have no roots in truth .
Jesus Christ said:John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
bodand when he went up ,you mean the light went out
of cause not HIS DISCIPLES CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THAT LIGHT (TRUTH) TO ALL ,AND LATHER IT WAS MADE IN WRITINGS ,THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE BIBLE
SO THE KORAN STILL NOT THE BOOK OF LIGHT ,(TRUTH)
You are not concerned with the truth, you just want to be right.That's fine by me. But you know you feel a little lost, I'm Here
BodYou are wrong ,but you did not say anything beside judging me of what you like me to be ,
Do you preach Jesus?Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:07) Quote (Wakeup @ July 02 2013,09:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,04:20) Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,18:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,06:42) Wakeup,July wrote:Quote Boditharta. The scriptures says in Col.1:18. he is the preeminance of all things. You can reject this: might as well.[/B]
First of all preeminant means mainly
having paramount rank, dignity, or importance :It has little to do with being the first at something
Quote 1.Jesus is the one who created Adam and Eve. The scripture says
Deuteronomy 4:39
Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.You misunderstand John 1 Jesus is a WORD from God that was made flesh, just like all of creation that God spoke into existence.
such as:
Isaiah 55:11
so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.Quote 2.Jesus is the one that designed the human body, and put all the anti bodies in us; to get healed.
It is the body itself that heals.(Gods wisdom).Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;Do you dispute this?
Quote 3.Jesus was the Word,in the beginning. As I said you misunderstand the context. The Word that became flesh is Jesus. If what you are saying is true then who was Jesus made through since you say all things were made through him?
Quote 4.Elijah was not resurrected; and Jesus was in heaven before Elijah was taken up .Elijah was not nescessary taken up to the highest heaven; could be the 3rd heaven. Elijah Ascended to Heaven in physical form before Jesu had a physical form
Quote 5.Elijah did not resurrect the child;but revived him.
The child lived with his mother after he was revived.Definition of RESURRECT
: to raise from the dead
That is the meaning look it up, the only other type of resurrection is asin the last day when people will be resurrected from scratch which we know Jesus could not have been because even you agree on this:
Acts 2:31
he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.If his flesh didn't see corruption obviously it would be the same flesh he had in the tomb and not some spirit flesh as you have said. “His flesh did dnot see corruption”
Quote 6.No one can make Jesus great;for he is great. Exactly
Quote You compared him to Mohamad;and yet called him the
messiah,but then say, no he is just a prophet.
Can you not see the contradictions.I did not say he was just a prophet neither does the Quran nor did I compare him to Muhammad.
Surah 2
136 Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.
Surah 3
Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
Luke 1:46-48
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
46 And Mary said,
My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden:
for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.Quote Are prophets also messiahs? No, however there are some Prophets that have been called Saviours or deliverer such as Moses. Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews.
1.Nehemiah 9:27
Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.Luke 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
The fact is ALL salvation comes from THE MOST HIGH and HE annoints those to act on HIS behalf.Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviourIsaiah 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Boditharta.Jesus said: no man knows the son,and no man kno
ws the father.
And you are obviously one of them.The word was in the beginning spoken into existence,
Just as Jesus said; I *CAME OUT* FROM GOD.I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER.(JOHN 16:27.28).HE HAD GLORY WITH HIS FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
THIS MEANS THAT HE WAS FIRST. AND ALL IS CREATED BY HIM;
BY THE WILL OF GOD. HE IS GODS RIGHT HAND. HE CAME OUT OF GOD. WHAT EVER GOD WANT DONE HE DOES IT.COL.1:18.THAT IN **ALL** THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE THE PREMINENCE.
1.MARY WAS A VIRGIN;NO MAN HAD TOUCHED HER.
2.HE WAS THE FIRST CHILD MARY BROUGHT FORTH.
3.HE HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THE WOMB.
4.HE WAS RIDING A DONKEY THAT NEVER HAS BEEN RIDDEN BEFORE.
5.HE WAS BURIED IN A TOMB NEVER USED BEFORE.
6.HE WAS THE FIRST RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD.
7.HE WAS THE FIRST AND THE LAST MADE FLESH FROM SPIRIT,
AND BACK TO SPIRIT AGAIN.JESUS WAS PUT IN THE WOMB BY GODS WORD.FOR WITHOUT THE WORD WAS NOTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.
IN THE WORD IS THE HOLY SPIRIT; THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH.
THE WORD CAME OUT FROM GOD.EITHER PHYSICAL FORM OR SPIRITUAL FORM;JESUS WAS IN HEAVEN BEFORE ELIJAH WAS TAKEN UP. BESIDES;IT WAS JESUS(THE WORD) WHO TOOK HIM UP.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESURRECTION AND BEING REVIVED. PATIENTS ARE REVIVED EVERY DAY IN HOSPITALS,BUT NOT RESURRECTED INTO SPIRIT.
JESUS BODY WAS QUICKENED; MADE INTO SPIRIT.
TRUE BELIEVERS THAT ARE STILL ALIVE AT THE COMING WILL GO THROUGH THE SAME EXPERIENCE. THEY WILL BE CHANGED IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE.wakeup.
I have no problem with Jesus being preeminent in ALL things but the problem is you don't understand that preeminence does not mean first. Obviously he can't be first in ALL things he was created by the First and ONLY GOD. Adam was the first man made from the earth so even if you believe Jesus created Adam Jesus still would not be the first made from the earth he still would not be the first to have a woman come from out of his own body such as Adam did, right? He certainly wouldn't be the first to be “REVIVED” after 4 days dead, right? So preeminence does not mean first it simply means as the bible explains thoroughly he was EXALTED it is a matter of importance or rank:(Remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word [“Be!” – and he was! i.e. 'Îsa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Îsa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah.”
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)
Boditharta.Wether he is in spirit form, or human form,he was there before Adam.
Yes he was not the first that came out of a womb.
But this is just the process of turning the spirit into flesh.He also was not the first in having a nice hot curry and rice.
He was not the first in flying an aeroplane.
He was not the first in sailing a ship.
He also was not the first in catching a cold.The muslem speaks greatly about Jesus,that he came from God and that he is the messiah.If they mean what they say.
why dont they glorify his name in the mosques?
Why is his name not mentioned in the early morning loudspeaker?Great words written about God, and Jesus does not mean anything.
How they worship is important.
**You shall love the Lord your God in spirit and in truth**.wakeup.
Quote How they worship is important.
**You shall love the Lord your God in spirit and in truth**.That is my entire point and Jesus is not “Lord your God”
and God says:
Isaiah 42:8
I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.Regarding people like Jesus God says:
Isaiah 43:6-8
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
6 I will say to the north, Give up;
and to the south, Keep not back:
bring my sons from far,
and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7 even every one that is called by my name:
for I have created him for my glory,
I have formed him; yea, I have made him.all praise is due to allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
( سورة الفاتحة , Al-Fatiha, Chapter #1, Verse #2)
We Glorify the name of THE MOST HIGH as it is written
Matthew 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.Is Jesus talking about himself?
Boditharta.You need to be able to decern the scriptures.
Matt.22:37.
That was God speaking.
When jesus prayed in the garden;that was jesus speaking to his Father.
When Jesus said my God, My God, why have you foraken me.
That was Jesus speaking to his father.wakeup.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:51) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,15:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,09:51) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,13:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,07:28) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,11:53) bod tell me why is it that Christ says that their is no other means to have eternal live unless you come through him
and why he said that he is the light of men ,so that their is no other light (truth) BESIDE HIM ,would this not disqualified Muhammad the prophet of being a true representative of the true God of Jesus Christ Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.Jn 6:27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Jn 6:28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jn 6:29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this:to believe in the one he has sent.”it was Jesus Christ his son.
it seems it was not Mohammad that the true God as send
but to me it seems to me you try to make a square peg into a round hole ,and hopping it will fill in all of the space ,and also hopping that we are going to fall for it ,not in your dreams only the weak ones will or could ,because they have no roots in truth .
Jesus Christ said:John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
bodand when he went up ,you mean the light went out
of cause not HIS DISCIPLES CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THAT LIGHT (TRUTH) TO ALL ,AND LATHER IT WAS MADE IN WRITINGS ,THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE BIBLE
SO THE KORAN STILL NOT THE BOOK OF LIGHT ,(TRUTH)
You are not concerned with the truth, you just want to be right.That's fine by me. But you know you feel a little lost, I'm Here
BodYou are wrong ,but you did not say anything beside judging me of what you like me to be ,
Do you preach Jesus?
bodthat does not answer my query,that the Koran is not God's word and Mohammad NOT his prophet ,and I mean Jehovah God the father and God of Christ ,
Quote (Wakeup @ July 02 2013,20:56) Boditharta. You need to be able to decern the scriptures.
Matt.22:37.
That was God speaking.
When jesus prayed in the garden;that was jesus speaking to his Father.
When Jesus said my God, My God, why have you foraken me.
That was Jesus speaking to his father.wakeup.
My point was Jesus was telling us to WORSHIP GOD and not himself.Quote (terraricca @ July 03 2013,11:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:51) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,15:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,09:51) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,13:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,07:28) Quote (terraricca @ July 02 2013,11:53) bod tell me why is it that Christ says that their is no other means to have eternal live unless you come through him
and why he said that he is the light of men ,so that their is no other light (truth) BESIDE HIM ,would this not disqualified Muhammad the prophet of being a true representative of the true God of Jesus Christ Jn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.Jn 6:27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Jn 6:28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jn 6:29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this:to believe in the one he has sent.”it was Jesus Christ his son.
it seems it was not Mohammad that the true God as send
but to me it seems to me you try to make a square peg into a round hole ,and hopping it will fill in all of the space ,and also hopping that we are going to fall for it ,not in your dreams only the weak ones will or could ,because they have no roots in truth .
Jesus Christ said:John 9:5
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
bodand when he went up ,you mean the light went out
of cause not HIS DISCIPLES CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THAT LIGHT (TRUTH) TO ALL ,AND LATHER IT WAS MADE IN WRITINGS ,THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE BIBLE
SO THE KORAN STILL NOT THE BOOK OF LIGHT ,(TRUTH)
You are not concerned with the truth, you just want to be right.That's fine by me. But you know you feel a little lost, I'm Here
BodYou are wrong ,but you did not say anything beside judging me of what you like me to be ,
Do you preach Jesus?
bodthat does not answer my query,that the Koran is not God's word and Mohammad NOT his prophet ,and I mean Jehovah God the father and God of Christ ,
If you want to honesly approach the subject then you should be able to reasonably discuss without fear. Simply atacking doesn't make your point valid.You need to ague your point ansaying “it just isn't so” is not an argument.
When other nonbelievers such as atheist say “I simply don't believe in God”
If they cannot explain why or if they have no argument I realize this is not a persn who cares about seeking and finding it is just someone afraid of being wrong.
I don't fear being wrong because I WANT to please God not myself.
Bod
You still did not addressed my statement about the Koran,
And I am not fearing anyone but God ,
So show me how the Koran his the word of God,the father of Christ and his disciples ,The God of all those who believe in him according to his will,
Quote (terraricca @ July 03 2013,14:27) Bod You still did not addressed my statement about the Koran,
And I am not fearing anyone but God ,
So show me how the Koran his the word of God,the father of Christ and his disciples ,The God of all those who believe in him according to his will,
You are one of those that will never be convinced not because you are correct but because you cannot stand hearing the truth when it comes. You are more like the Jews who could not see the truth of Christ, not everyon can handle the truth.You say “show me how” how woul you show me that the Bible is the word of God?
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2013,10:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 03 2013,14:27) Bod You still did not addressed my statement about the Koran,
And I am not fearing anyone but God ,
So show me how the Koran his the word of God,the father of Christ and his disciples ,The God of all those who believe in him according to his will,
You are one of those that will never be convinced not because you are correct but because you cannot stand hearing the truth when it comes. You are more like the Jews who could not see the truth of Christ, not everyon can handle the truth.You say “show me how” how woul you show me that the Bible is the word of God?
BodFirst you have history for both books,
Secondly you have both books ,
And you know both Gods that are preached in them ,
This should be a good start ,so see if you can show that your faith ,the faith of Islam is the true faith of the true God who his the father and God of Christ his only begotten son ,
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2013,13:18) Quote (Wakeup @ July 02 2013,20:56) Boditharta. You need to be able to decern the scriptures.
Matt.22:37.
That was God speaking.
When jesus prayed in the garden;that was jesus speaking to his Father.
When Jesus said my God, My God, why have you foraken me.
That was Jesus speaking to his father.wakeup.
My point was Jesus was telling us to WORSHIP GOD and not himself.
Boditharta.All worship God this is true,but God also has given us a way
how to worship him.We can not use our own way.
His Son needs to have glory for his obedience.
And God has also given him all his powers.
You have God;you have Jesus;you have Jesus;you have God.
But the Father is always in charge.wakeup.
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