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[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,11:06)

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,10:16) Hi BD, Concerning Mary, do you believe that she was a surrogate Mother to Jesus? Ed Please answer this question.

Surrogate? In what way?

Mary is the Motherof Jesus, he was created in her.

Adam was not the surrogate of Eve

We are talking about CREATION here not biology

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,11:24)

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,11:06) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,10:16) Hi BD, Concerning Mary, do you believe that she was a surrogate Mother to Jesus? Ed Please answer this question. Surrogate? In what way? Mary is the Motherof Jesus, he was created in her. Adam was not the surrogate of Eve We are talking about CREATION here not biology

Hi BD,

Let me ask “the same question” a different way;
I believe you will understand the question this time.
Do you believe Mary was the biological Mother of Jesus.

Ed

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,12:12)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,11:24) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,11:06) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,10:16) Hi BD, Concerning Mary, do you believe that she was a surrogate Mother to Jesus? Ed Please answer this question. Surrogate? In what way? Mary is the Motherof Jesus, he was created in her. Adam was not the surrogate of Eve We are talking about CREATION here not biology Hi BD, Let me ask “the same question” a different way; I believe you will understand the question this time. Do you believe Mary was the biological Mother of Jesus. Ed

Yes, in the sense that BIOLOGY is simply the study of living things. However Jesus was not the sexual reproductive mother of Christ.

God created Jesus in Mary as he created Eve in Adam don't know how much more simple to make it. There was nothing of Joseph and his lineage nor the lineage of Mary, Jesus was a NEW CREATION made by the WORD of GOD.

Mary is the Mother of Jesus.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,13:56)

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,12:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,11:24) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,11:06) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,10:16) Hi BD, Concerning Mary, do you believe that she was a surrogate Mother to Jesus? Ed Please answer this question. Surrogate? In what way? Mary is the Motherof Jesus, he was created in her. Adam was not the surrogate of Eve We are talking about CREATION here not biology Hi BD, Let me ask “the same question” a different way; I believe you will understand the question this time. Do you believe Mary was the biological Mother of Jesus. Ed Yes, in the sense that BIOLOGY is simply the study of living things. However Jesus was not the sexual reproductive mother of Christ. God created Jesus in Mary as he created Eve in Adam don't know how much more simple to make it. There was nothing of Joseph and his lineage nor the lineage of Mary, Jesus was a NEW CREATION made by the WORD of GOD. Mary is the Mother of Jesus.

Then you believe Mary was only a surrogate Mother.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,14:05)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,13:56) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,12:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,11:24) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,11:06) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,10:16) Hi BD, Concerning Mary, do you believe that she was a surrogate Mother to Jesus? Ed Please answer this question. Surrogate? In what way? Mary is the Motherof Jesus, he was created in her. Adam was not the surrogate of Eve We are talking about CREATION here not biology Hi BD, Let me ask “the same question” a different way; I believe you will understand the question this time. Do you believe Mary was the biological Mother of Jesus. Ed Yes, in the sense that BIOLOGY is simply the study of living things. However Jesus was not the sexual reproductive mother of Christ. God created Jesus in Mary as he created Eve in Adam don't know how much more simple to make it. There was nothing of Joseph and his lineage nor the lineage of Mary, Jesus was a NEW CREATION made by the WORD of GOD. Mary is the Mother of Jesus. Then you believe Mary was only a surrogate Mother.

Know that wouldn't mke her a surrogate a surrogate means:

A surrogate is a substitute or deputy for another person

Mary was Chosen specifically by God. Mary is THE MOTHER of JESUS CHRIST

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,06:42)

Wakeup,July wrote: [/quote] Quote Boditharta. The scriptures says in Col.1:18. he is the preeminance of all things. You can reject this: might as well.[/B] First of all preeminant means mainly having paramount rank, dignity, or importance : It has little to do with being the first at something [Quote]1.Jesus is the one who created Adam and Eve. The scripture says Deuteronomy 4:39 Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other. You misunderstand John 1 Jesus is a WORD from God that was made flesh, just like all of creation that God spoke into existence. such as: Isaiah 55:11 so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Quote 2.Jesus is the one that designed the human body, and put all the anti bodies in us; to get healed. It is the body itself that heals.(Gods wisdom). Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Do you dispute this? Quote 3.Jesus was the Word,in the beginning. As I said you misunderstand the context. The Word that became flesh is Jesus. If what you are saying is true then who was Jesus made through since you say all things were made through him? Quote 4.Elijah was not resurrected; and Jesus was in heaven before Elijah was taken up .Elijah was not nescessary taken up to the highest heaven; could be the 3rd heaven. Elijah Ascended to Heaven in physical form before Jesu had a physical form Quote 5.Elijah did not resurrect the child;but revived him. The child lived with his mother after he was revived. Definition of RESURRECT : to raise from the dead That is the meaning look it up, the only other type of resurrection is asin the last day when people will be resurrected from scratch which we know Jesus could not have been because even you agree on this: Acts 2:31 he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. If his flesh didn't see corruption obviously it would be the same flesh he had in the tomb and not some spirit flesh as you have said. “His flesh did dnot see corruption” Quote 6.No one can make Jesus great;for he is great. Exactly Quote You compared him to Mohamad;and yet called him the messiah,but then say, no he is just a prophet. Can you not see the contradictions. I did not say he was just a prophet neither does the Quran nor did I compare him to Muhammad. Surah 2 136 Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit. Surah 3 Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah; Luke 1:46-48 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Quote Are prophets also messiahs? No, however there are some Prophets that have been called Saviours or deliverer such as Moses. Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews. 1.Nehemiah 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies. Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. The fact is ALL salvation comes from THE MOST HIGH and HE annoints those to act on HIS behalf. Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Boditharta.

Jesus said: no man knows the son,and no man knows the father.
And you are obviously one of them.

The word was in the beginning spoken into existence,
Just as Jesus said; I *CAME OUT* FROM GOD.I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER.(JOHN 16:27.28).

HE HAD GLORY WITH HIS FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
THIS MEANS THAT HE WAS FIRST. AND ALL IS CREATED BY HIM;
BY THE WILL OF GOD. HE IS GODS RIGHT HAND. HE CAME OUT OF GOD. WHAT EVER GOD WANT DONE HE DOES IT.

COL.1:18.THAT IN **ALL** THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE THE PREMINENCE.
1.MARY WAS A VIRGIN;NO MAN HAD TOUCHED HER.
2.HE WAS THE FIRST CHILD MARY BROUGHT FORTH.
3.HE HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THE WOMB.
4.HE WAS RIDING A DONKEY THAT NEVER HAS BEEN RIDDEN BEFORE.
5.HE WAS BURIED IN A TOMB NEVER USED BEFORE.
6.HE WAS THE FIRST RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD.
7.HE WAS THE FIRST AND THE LAST MADE FLESH FROM SPIRIT,
AND BACK TO SPIRIT AGAIN.

JESUS WAS PUT IN THE WOMB BY GODS WORD.FOR WITHOUT THE WORD WAS NOTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.
IN THE WORD IS THE HOLY SPIRIT; THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH.
THE WORD CAME OUT FROM
GOD.

EITHER PHYSICAL FORM OR SPIRITUAL FORM;JESUS WAS IN HEAVEN BEFORE ELIJAH WAS TAKEN UP. BESIDES;IT WAS JESUS(THE WORD) WHO TOOK HIM UP.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESURRECTION AND BEING REVIVED. PATIENTS ARE REVIVED EVERY DAY IN HOSPITALS,BUT NOT RESURRECTED INTO SPIRIT.

JESUS BODY WAS QUICKENED; MADE INTO SPIRIT.
TRUE BELIEVERS THAT ARE STILL ALIVE AT THE COMING WILL GO THROUGH THE SAME EXPERIENCE. THEY WILL BE CHANGED IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,14:05)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,13:56) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,12:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,11:24) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,11:06) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,10:16) Hi BD, Concerning Mary, do you believe that she was a surrogate Mother to Jesus? Ed Please answer this question. Surrogate? In what way? Mary is the Motherof Jesus, he was created in her. Adam was not the surrogate of Eve We are talking about CREATION here not biology Hi BD, Let me ask “the same question” a different way; I believe you will understand the question this time. Do you believe Mary was the biological Mother of Jesus. Ed Yes, in the sense that BIOLOGY is simply the study of living things. However Jesus was not the sexual reproductive mother of Christ. God created Jesus in Mary as he created Eve in Adam don't know how much more simple to make it. There was nothing of Joseph and his lineage nor the lineage of Mary, Jesus was a NEW CREATION made by the WORD of GOD. Mary is the Mother of Jesus. Then you believe Mary was only a surrogate Mother.

It's funny how I'm trying to define WHAT it is you believe, and you are working to disagree with me.

Then you believe that Mary was CHOSEN to be a surrogate Mother to Jesus – is this what you believe?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,18:27)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,06:42) Wakeup,July wrote: Quote Boditharta. The scriptures says in Col.1:18. he is the preeminance of all things. You can reject this: might as well.[/B] First of all preeminant means mainly having paramount rank, dignity, or importance : It has little to do with being the first at something Quote 1.Jesus is the one who created Adam and Eve. The scripture says Deuteronomy 4:39 Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other. You misunderstand John 1 Jesus is a WORD from God that was made flesh, just like all of creation that God spoke into existence. such as: Isaiah 55:11 so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Quote 2.Jesus is the one that designed the human body, and put all the anti bodies in us; to get healed. It is the body itself that heals.(Gods wisdom). Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Do you dispute this? Quote 3.Jesus was the Word,in the beginning. As I said you misunderstand the context. The Word that became flesh is Jesus. If what you are saying is true then who was Jesus made through since you say all things were made through him? Quote 4.Elijah was not resurrected; and Jesus was in heaven before Elijah was taken up .Elijah was not nescessary taken up to the highest heaven; could be the 3rd heaven. Elijah Ascended to Heaven in physical form before Jesu had a physical form Quote 5.Elijah did not resurrect the child;but revived him. The child lived with his mother after he was revived. Definition of RESURRECT : to raise from the dead That is the meaning look it up, the only other type of resurrection is asin the last day when people will be resurrected from scratch which we know Jesus could not have been because even you agree on this: Acts 2:31 he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. If his flesh didn't see corruption obviously it would be the same flesh he had in the tomb and not some spirit flesh as you have said. “His flesh did dnot see corruption” Quote 6.No one can make Jesus great;for he is great. Exactly Quote You compared him to Mohamad;and yet called him the messiah,but then say, no he is just a prophet. Can you not see the contradictions. I did not say he was just a prophet neither does the Quran nor did I compare him to Muhammad. Surah 2 136 Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit. Surah 3 Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah; Luke 1:46-48 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Quote Are prophets also messiahs? No, however there are some Prophets that have been called Saviours or deliverer such as Moses. Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews. 1.Nehemiah 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies. Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. The fact is ALL salvation comes from THE MOST HIGH and HE annoints those to act on HIS behalf. Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Boditharta. Jesus said: no man knows the son,and no man knows the father. And you are obviously one of them. The word was in the beginning spoken into existence, Just as Jesus said; I *CAME OUT* FROM GOD.I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER.(JOHN 16:27.28). HE HAD GLORY WITH HIS FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. THIS MEANS THAT HE WAS FIRST. AND ALL IS CREATED BY HIM; BY THE WILL OF GOD. HE IS GODS RIGHT HAND. HE CAME OUT OF GOD. WHAT EVER GOD WANT DONE HE DOES IT. COL.1:18.THAT IN **ALL** THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE THE PREMINENCE. 1.MARY WAS A VIRGIN;NO MAN HAD TOUCHED HER. 2.HE WAS THE FIRST CHILD MARY BROUGHT FORTH. 3.HE HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THE WOMB. 4.HE WAS RIDING A DONKEY THAT NEVER HAS BEEN RIDDEN BEFORE. 5.HE WAS BURIED IN A TOMB NEVER USED BEFORE. 6.HE WAS THE FIRST RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD. 7.HE WAS THE FIRST AND THE LAST MADE FLESH FROM SPIRIT, AND BACK TO SPIRIT AGAIN. JESUS WAS PUT IN THE WOMB BY GODS WORD.FOR WITHOUT THE WORD WAS NOTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE. IN THE WORD IS THE HOLY SPIRIT; THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH. THE WORD CAME OUT FROM GOD. EITHER PHYSICAL FORM OR SPIRITUAL FORM;JESUS WAS IN HEAVEN BEFORE ELIJAH WAS TAKEN UP. BESIDES;IT WAS JESUS(THE WORD) WHO TOOK HIM UP. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESURRECTION AND BEING REVIVED. PATIENTS ARE REVIVED EVERY DAY IN HOSPITALS,BUT NOT RESURRECTED INTO SPIRIT. JESUS BODY WAS QUICKENED; MADE INTO SPIRIT. TRUE BELIEVERS THAT ARE STILL ALIVE AT THE COMING WILL GO THROUGH THE SAME EXPERIENCE. THEY WILL BE CHANGED IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE. wakeup.

I have no problem with Jesus being preeminent in ALL things but the problem is you don't understand that preeminence does not mean first. Obviously he can't be first in ALL things he was created by the First and ONLY GOD. Adam was the first man made from the earth so even if you believe Jesus created Adam Jesus still would not be the first made from the earth he still would not be the first to have a woman come from out of his own body such as Adam did, right? He certainly wouldn't be the first to be “REVIVED” after 4 days dead, right? So preeminence does not mean first it simply means as the bible explains thoroughly he was EXALTED it is a matter of importance or rank:

(Remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word [“Be!” – and he was! i.e. 'Îsa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Îsa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah.”

( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,02:06)

Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,14:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,13:56) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,12:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,11:24) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,11:06) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,10:16) Hi BD, Concerning Mary, do you believe that she was a surrogate Mother to Jesus? Ed Please answer this question. Surrogate? In what way? Mary is the Motherof Jesus, he was created in her. Adam was not the surrogate of Eve We are talking about CREATION here not biology Hi BD, Let me ask “the same question” a different way; I believe you will understand the question this time. Do you believe Mary was the biological Mother of Jesus. Ed Yes, in the sense that BIOLOGY is simply the study of living things. However Jesus was not the sexual reproductive mother of Christ. God created Jesus in Mary as he created Eve in Adam don't know how much more simple to make it. There was nothing of Joseph and his lineage nor the lineage of Mary, Jesus was a NEW CREATION made by the WORD of GOD. Mary is the Mother of Jesus. Then you believe Mary was only a surrogate Mother. It's funny how I'm trying to define WHAT it is you believe, and you are working to disagree with me. Then you believe that Mary was CHOSEN to be a surrogate Mother to Jesus – is this what you believe?

I don't think she would qualify as a surrogate because it is HER child that she raised. She did not agree to raise someone elses child it is her child that she kept and raised.

JESUS is the SON of MARY and the CREATION of ALLAH

O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, (“Be!” – and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh ) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: “Three (trinity)!” Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

Mary was either Jesus' biological Mother or she was a surrogate Mother.

Pierre believes she was a surrogate mother.
And I believe Mary was Jesus' biological mother –
meaning 23 chromosomes in Jesus' DNA came from her.

So lets be clear here. which of these “TWO” Scientific views do you believe?

Ed J

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,04:20)

Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,18:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,06:42) Wakeup,July wrote: Quote Boditharta. The scriptures says in Col.1:18. he is the preeminance of all things. You can reject this: might as well.[/B] First of all preeminant means mainly having paramount rank, dignity, or importance : It has little to do with being the first at something Quote 1.Jesus is the one who created Adam and Eve. The scripture says Deuteronomy 4:39 Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other. You misunderstand John 1 Jesus is a WORD from God that was made flesh, just like all of creation that God spoke into existence. such as: Isaiah 55:11 so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Quote 2.Jesus is the one that designed the human body, and put all the anti bodies in us; to get healed. It is the body itself that heals.(Gods wisdom). Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Do you dispute this? Quote 3.Jesus was the Word,in the beginning. As I said you misunderstand the context. The Word that became flesh is Jesus. If what you are saying is true then who was Jesus made through since you say all things were made through him? Quote 4.Elijah was not resurrected; and Jesus was in heaven before Elijah was taken up .Elijah was not nescessary taken up to the highest heaven; could be the 3rd heaven. Elijah Ascended to Heaven in physical form before Jesu had a physical form Quote 5.Elijah did not resurrect the child;but revived him. The child lived with his mother after he was revived. Definition of RESURRECT : to raise from the dead That is the meaning look it up, the only other type of resurrection is asin the last day when people will be resurrected from scratch which we know Jesus could not have been because even you agree on this: Acts 2:31 he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. If his flesh didn't see corruption obviously it would be the same flesh he had in the tomb and not some spirit flesh as you have said. “His flesh did dnot see corruption” Quote 6.No one can make Jesus great;for he is great. Exactly Quote You compared him to Mohamad;and yet called him the messiah,but then say, no he is just a prophet. Can you not see the contradictions. I did not say he was just a prophet neither does the Quran nor did I compare him to Muhammad. Surah 2 136 Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit. Surah 3 Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah; Luke 1:46-48 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Quote Are prophets also messiahs? No, however there are some Prophets that have been called Saviours or deliverer such as Moses. Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews. 1.Nehemiah 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies. Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. The fact is ALL salvation comes from THE MOST HIGH and HE annoints those to act on HIS behalf. Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Boditharta. Jesus said: no man knows the son,and no man knows the father. And you are obviously one of them. The word was in the beginning spoken into existence, Just as Jesus said; I *CAME OUT* FROM GOD.I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER.(JOHN 16:27.28). HE HAD GLORY WITH HIS FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. THIS MEANS THAT HE WAS FIRST. AND ALL IS CREATED BY HIM; BY THE WILL OF GOD. HE IS GODS RIGHT HAND. HE CAME OUT OF GOD. WHAT EVER GOD WANT DONE HE DOES IT. COL.1:18.THAT IN **ALL** THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE THE PREMINENCE. 1.MARY WAS A VIRGIN;NO MAN HAD TOUCHED HER. 2.HE WAS THE FIRST CHILD MARY BROUGHT FORTH. 3.HE HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THE WOMB. 4.HE WAS RIDING A DONKEY THAT NEVER HAS BEEN RIDDEN BEFORE. 5.HE WAS BURIED IN A TOMB NEVER USED BEFORE. 6.HE WAS THE FIRST RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD. 7.HE WAS THE FIRST AND THE LAST MADE FLESH FROM SPIRIT, AND BACK TO SPIRIT AGAIN. JESUS WAS PUT IN THE WOMB BY GODS WORD.FOR WITHOUT THE WORD WAS NOTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE. IN THE WORD IS THE HOLY SPIRIT; THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH. THE WORD CAME OUT FROM GOD. EITHER PHYSICAL FORM OR SPIRITUAL FORM;JESUS WAS IN HEAVEN BEFORE ELIJAH WAS TAKEN UP. BESIDES;IT WAS JESUS(THE WORD) WHO TOOK HIM UP. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESURRECTION AND BEING REVIVED. PATIENTS ARE REVIVED EVERY DAY IN HOSPITALS,BUT NOT RESURRECTED INTO SPIRIT. JESUS BODY WAS QUICKENED; MADE INTO SPIRIT. TRUE BELIEVERS THAT ARE STILL ALIVE AT THE COMING WILL GO THROUGH THE SAME EXPERIENCE. THEY WILL BE CHANGED IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE. wakeup. I have no problem with Jesus being preeminent in ALL things but the problem is you don't understand that preeminence does not mean first. Obviously he can't be first in ALL things he was created by the First and ONLY GOD. Adam was the first man made from the earth so even if you believe Jesus created Adam Jesus still would not be the first made from the earth he still would not be the first to have a woman come from out of his own body such as Adam did, right? He certainly wouldn't be the first to be “REVIVED” after 4 days dead, right?  So preeminence does not mean first it simply means as the bible explains thoroughly he was EXALTED it is a matter of importance or rank: (Remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word [“Be!” – and he was! i.e. 'Îsa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Îsa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah.” (  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)

Boditharta.

Wether he is in spirit form, or human form,he was there before Adam.

Yes he was not the first that came out of a womb.
But this is just the process of turning the spirit into flesh.

He also was not the first in having a nice hot curry and rice.
He was not the first in flying an aeroplane.
He was not the first in sailing a ship.
He also was not the first in catching a cold.

The muslem speaks greatly about Jesus,that he came from God and that he is the messiah.If they mean what they say.
why dont they glorify his name in the mosques?
Why is his name not mentioned in the early morning loudspeaker?

Great words written about God, and Jesus does not mean anything.

How they worship is important.
**You shall love the Lord your God in spirit and in truth**.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,04:20) Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,18:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,06:42) Wakeup,July wrote: Quote Boditharta. The scriptures says in Col.1:18. he is the preeminance of all things. You can reject this: might as well.[/B] First of all preeminant means mainly having paramount rank, dignity, or importance : It has little to do with being the first at something Quote 1.Jesus is the one who created Adam and Eve. The scripture says Deuteronomy 4:39 Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other. You misunderstand John 1 Jesus is a WORD from God that was made flesh, just like all of creation that God spoke into existence. such as: Isaiah 55:11 so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Quote 2.Jesus is the one that designed the human body, and put all the anti bodies in us; to get healed. It is the body itself that heals.(Gods wisdom). Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Do you dispute this? Quote 3.Jesus was the Word,in the beginning. As I said you misunderstand the context. The Word that became flesh is Jesus. If what you are saying is true then who was Jesus made through since you say all things were made through him? Quote 4.Elijah was not resurrected; and Jesus was in heaven before Elijah was taken up .Elijah was not nescessary taken up to the highest heaven; could be the 3rd heaven. Elijah Ascended to Heaven in physical form before Jesu had a physical form Quote 5.Elijah did not resurrect the child;but revived him. The child lived with his mother after he was revived. Definition of RESURRECT : to raise from the dead That is the meaning look it up, the only other type of resurrection is asin the last day when people will be resurrected from scratch which we know Jesus could not have been because even you agree on this: Acts 2:31 he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. If his flesh didn't see corruption obviously it would be the same flesh he had in the tomb and not some spirit flesh as you have said. “His flesh did dnot see corruption” Quote 6.No one can make Jesus great;for he is great. Exactly Quote You compared him to Mohamad;and yet called him the messiah,but then say, no he is just a prophet. Can you not see the contradictions. I did not say he was just a prophet neither does the Quran nor did I compare him to Muhammad. Surah 2 136 Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit. Surah 3 Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah; Luke 1:46-48 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Quote Are prophets also messiahs? No, however there are some Prophets that have been called Saviours or deliverer such as Moses. Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews. 1.Nehemiah 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies. Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. The fact is ALL salvation comes from THE MOST HIGH and HE annoints those to act on HIS behalf. Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Boditharta. Jesus said: no man knows the son,and no man knows the father. And you are obviously one of them. The word was in the beginning spoken into existence, Just as Jesus said; I *CAME OUT* FROM GOD.I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER.(JOHN 16:27.28). HE HAD GLORY WIT H HIS FATHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. THIS MEANS THAT HE WAS FIRST. AND ALL IS CREATED BY HIM; BY THE WILL OF GOD. HE IS GODS RIGHT HAND. HE CAME OUT OF GOD. WHAT EVER GOD WANT DONE HE DOES IT. COL.1:18.THAT IN **ALL** THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE THE PREMINENCE. 1.MARY WAS A VIRGIN;NO MAN HAD TOUCHED HER. 2.HE WAS THE FIRST CHILD MARY BROUGHT FORTH. 3.HE HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THE WOMB. 4.HE WAS RIDING A DONKEY THAT NEVER HAS BEEN RIDDEN BEFORE. 5.HE WAS BURIED IN A TOMB NEVER USED BEFORE. 6.HE WAS THE FIRST RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD. 7.HE WAS THE FIRST AND THE LAST MADE FLESH FROM SPIRIT, AND BACK TO SPIRIT AGAIN. JESUS WAS PUT IN THE WOMB BY GODS WORD.FOR WITHOUT THE WORD WAS NOTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE. IN THE WORD IS THE HOLY SPIRIT; THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH. THE WORD CAME OUT FROM GOD. EITHER PHYSICAL FORM OR SPIRITUAL FORM;JESUS WAS IN HEAVEN BEFORE ELIJAH WAS TAKEN UP. BESIDES;IT WAS JESUS(THE WORD) WHO TOOK HIM UP. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESURRECTION AND BEING REVIVED. PATIENTS ARE REVIVED EVERY DAY IN HOSPITALS,BUT NOT RESURRECTED INTO SPIRIT. JESUS BODY WAS QUICKENED; MADE INTO SPIRIT. TRUE BELIEVERS THAT ARE STILL ALIVE AT THE COMING WILL GO THROUGH THE SAME EXPERIENCE. THEY WILL BE CHANGED IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE. wakeup. I have no problem with Jesus being preeminent in ALL things but the problem is you don't understand that preeminence does not mean first. Obviously he can't be first in ALL things he was created by the First and ONLY GOD. Adam was the first man made from the earth so even if you believe Jesus created Adam Jesus still would not be the first made from the earth he still would not be the first to have a woman come from out of his own body such as Adam did, right? He certainly wouldn't be the first to be “REVIVED” after 4 days dead, right?  So preeminence does not mean first it simply means as the bible explains thoroughly he was EXALTED it is a matter of importance or rank: (Remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word [“Be!” – and he was! i.e. 'Îsa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Îsa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah.” (  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45) Boditharta. Wether he is in spirit form, or human form,he was there before Adam. Yes he was not the first that came out of a womb. But this is just the process of turning the spirit into flesh. He also was not the first in having a nice hot curry and rice. He was not the first in flying an aeroplane. He was not the first in sailing a ship. He also was not the first in catching a cold. The muslem speaks greatly about Jesus,that he came from God and that he is the messiah.If they mean what they say. why dont they glorify his name in the mosques? Why is his name not mentioned in the early morning loudspeaker? Great words written about God, and Jesus does not mean anything. How they worship is important. **You shall love the Lord your God in spirit and in truth**. wakeup.

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How they worship is important. **You shall love the Lord your God in spirit and in truth**.

That is my entire point and Jesus is not “Lord your God”

and God says:

Isaiah 42:8
I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Regarding people like Jesus God says:

Isaiah 43:6-8

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

6 I will say to the north, Give up;
and to the south, Keep not back:
bring my sons from far,
and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7 even every one that is called by my name:
for I have created him for my glory,
I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

all praise is due to allah, the Lord of the Worlds.

( سورة الفاتحة , Al-Fatiha, Chapter #1, Verse #2)

We Glorify the name of THE MOST HIGH as it is written

Matthew 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Is Jesus talking about himself?

[Ed J]

Hi Wakeup,

Do you see a difference in these two phrases?

What Jesus said was:  “I came out from GOD”.
Jesus did NOT say this:  'I came from GOD'

Can you see a difference in theses two?

Ed J

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:07)

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Is Jesus talking about himself?

No, and he is NOT talking about the god of islam either.

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:07) Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Is Jesus talking about himself? No, and he is NOT talking about the god of islam either.

Regardless of your racist view regarding the language of other cultures Jesus was talking about th ONE and ONLY God.

Do you think he said “God” ED? Why havyou never sad Jesu woul have never used th word God or any english word in that day?

How come?

Do you think if you saw Jesus in tht day andcalled out to him “JESUS” tht he would have recognized that wordas pertaining to him?

Get rid of your RACISM

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:07) Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Is Jesus talking about himself? No, and he is NOT talking about the god of islam either. Regardless of your racist view regarding the language of other cultures Jesus was talking about th ONE and ONLY God.

Right, not the false god of islam.

[Ed J]

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Do you think if you saw Jesus in tht day andcalled out to him “JESUS” tht he would have recognized that wordas pertaining to him?

Hi BD,

God's ONLY begotten Son is named “YA-shu-a”, not Jesus, nor Isa.

Ed J

[Ed J]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:24) Do you think if you saw Jesus in tht day andcalled out to him “JESUS” tht he would have recognized that wordas pertaining to him? Hi BD, God's ONLY begotten Son is named “YA-shu-a”, not Jesus, nor Isa. Ed J

And do YOU know what the name “YA-shu-a means?

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Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:33)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:24) Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:07) Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Is Jesus talking about himself? No, and he is NOT talking about the god of islam either. Regardless of your racist view regarding the language of other cultures Jesus was talking about th ONE and ONLY God. Right, not the false god of islam.

There is ONLY ONE GOD of ALL PEOPLE

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:24) Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:07) Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Is Jesus talking about himself? No, and he is NOT talking about the god of islam either. Regardless of your racist view regarding the language of other cultures Jesus was talking about th ONE and ONLY God. Right, not the false god of islam. There is ONLY ONE GOD of ALL PEOPLE

Yes, and that is not the false god of islam.

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