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I want to get other's opinion on what Nick said in another post.
He said,
“Hi Jodi,
The OT is not our guide for understanding the deeper matters.
It was written for carnal men who were not illuminated except by their Law.
Now Jesus has come and given teaching himself and through his servants who share the Spirit of God.”What do others think of this view?
Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 01 2009,10:47) I want to get other's opinion on what Nick said in another post. He said,
“Hi Jodi,
The OT is not our guide for understanding the deeper matters.
It was written for carnal men who were not illuminated except by their Law.
Now Jesus has come and given teaching himself and through his servants who share the Spirit of God.”What do others think of this view?
Hi Jodi:I believe that Nick made a mistake in saying what he did. Many things we could not understand without the OT.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Jodi,
You need both the OT and the NT.
But the NT must help us illumimate the OT.
Jesus brings the Spirit of light to men who walked in darknessHi Jodi,
Carnal men did not recognise the Saviour who was spoken of in their scriptures but killed him.Jesus came full of grace and truth and we should not limit ourselves to the understandings of his predecessors
om 15:4 For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
To all: IMO the old testament is supersceded by the New Testament.There is a new covenant with God.The old is done away. When a will is redone the old will is no longer in effect. An executor of the new will cannot go back to the old will for any executory powers or privilige. The old is gone and in the case of the Bible can be very destructive to the New. The picture painted of God is mostly destructive and wrathful. Jesus said God is Love. There were many Gods and Lords revealed in the OT some evil some good. The very fact that the same basic structure of the old church that was apostate is still in operation today which shows the influence of the wrong way still working. The only major difference is the sacrifice. They were lost in sin.The old was trying to find God, please God, get into God's good graces. Jesus changed the religious structure completely from the fallen, apostate, man creation that was in the OT back to the original God/Man personal relationship that was from the beginning of creation.Before man fell away from God through wrong thinking or sin. God, Spirit, Jesus, Man all dwelling together in ONE.That is the way it was always intended. I believe the most destructive information about mans attempted relationship with God is in the OT. God has blessed the New Testament. The choice is life in the NT or death in the OT. Peace to all, TK
Hi S,
All the word of God is holy.
The law still exists for those foolish enough to try to submit to it.
And the promises to the men of old are accessible to all men now who join themselves with the one to fulfilled the law.Only Jesus was able to grasp all that had been written about him and reveal it to the disciples en route to Emmaeus.
Only the living Spirit in Jesus Christ can unlock all the secrets hidden there in the OT.
But some would try to correct him according to the OT.I do question when someone says that the Law has been done away with. As I understand it, it has been magnified by Jesus. In Math. it says that not one tittle of the Law is done away, until all is fulfilled. What has been fulfilled, I question that. It does not make sense to me, when Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount magnifies the Law, and shortly after abolishes it? I think what Jesus has done He is our perfect Sacrifice and therefore no other sin offering is needed. Sin is not imputed to us. Do we still have to go to the Throne of God and ask for forgiveness of that sin. IMO Yes. Jesus is our Mediator to be able to go to the Throne of God. Give me your understand.
Peace and Love IreneOne cannot serve two masters. You cannot serve the Spirit of freedom, trust and sinlessness and at the same time follow the law with rules of conduct. I believe I'm clean but I'm trying as hard as I can. No way– Per the Bible you have been set free from the Law of sin and death! Did you hear? The law brought sin and death. Jesus set you free from that law. If not one tittle of the law is done away UNTIL all is fullfilled then how can you do away with the sacrifices? That was mainstream Law! The Truth is the old Temple is gone away, torn down. You are the new Temple. Why do you fight this good news? Luke 18:31—“we go up to Jerusalem and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the son of man shall be accomplished…” Gal 3:23…before faith came, we were kept under the law…Gal 3:10…for as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse…You can follow the law all you want to but you can only be righteous by faith. Not by doing a darn thing!!! TK
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 01 2009,03:22) Hi S,
All the word of God is holy.
The law still exists for those foolish enough to try to submit to it.
Do you believe ALL the word of God is holy?For salvation we have the sacrifice of Jesus. For discipleship it is written –
Joh 14:15 “If you love me, you will keep my
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Eph 4:20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!–
Eph 4:21 assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus,
Eph 4:22 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires,
Eph 4:23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,
Eph 4:24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom 8:14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”Quote (Tim Kraft @ July 01 2009,06:02) Per the Bible you have been set free from the Law of sin and death
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.Rom 6:17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed,
Rom 6:18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
Rom 6:20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
Rom 6:21 But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.Quote One cannot serve two masters. You cannot serve the Spirit of freedom, trust and sinlessness and at the same time follow the law with rules of conduct.. Per the Bible, the two masters to chose from are God and Mammon.
Mat 6:24 `None is able to serve two lords, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will hold to the one, and despise the other; ye are not able to serve God and Mammon.
Choosing God means choosing His free gift as well as obedience and a walk in the Spirit that defeats the deeds of the flesh. Walking by the Spirit you will find yu are not in violation of the law. It simply does not save you.
TK So at first He magnified the Law and then He abolished it. Does that make sense? Not to me. It also says that all have fallen short of the glory of God. So when are we righteous? I do know that by Faith in Jesus Christ we are saved. But John tells us if we think we don't sin the truth is not in us. And for what do we have a Mediator for? What is sin, is it not the transgression of the Law? I have always believed in grace and eternal is a free gift by Faith in Jesus Christ. I am asking these question because it has entered my mind. All things have not been fulfilled because Christ is not ruling yet. Also God's wrath has not been poured out on this world.
Peace and Love Irene
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