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Hi david,
Gen 6.4
” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came into the the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown”
It seesms like the angels who sinned, the Sons of God [?archangels,princes,elders], who deliberately abandoned their appointed domain to mix with man relating sexually with the women, produced the Nephilim beings based on this verse alone. But I may be wrong.Even mythologies (which are based on this) speak of mighty ones, giants who are the offspring of gods.
I believe that these nephilim were the offspring of the angels who rebelled and “forsook their proper dwelling place” and had sexual relations with women.But for some reason, I didn't think you believed that, until I saw something you posted in another thread.
Quote David slew Goliath and there are a few other references to the descendants of the Nephilim. My feeling is that their great strength and large stature gave them huge physical advantages but they do not seem to necessarily have matched intellects. War seemed to be the role where their special talents were admired most. I see no reason to disbelieve that their genes are still able to be traced among mankind.
Hey Nick, if they are humans, wouldn't they have been wiped out in the flood? And if they are demons…. actually, I'm not sure what you believe. I'll read more.OK, other than what I said, and the couple pages of Soxan and Nick debating whether Soxan's “pictures” of Nephilim were real, there's not a lot on here regarding Nephilim. And there's very few voices. What do others think?
What are the Nepilim?
Actually, I'm still confused as to what you think Nick. Could you please spell it out for me.
Angels, nephilim, demons? How are they related to you?
Quote It seesms like the angels who sinned, the Sons of God [?archangels,princes,elders], who deliberately abandoned their appointed domain to mix with man relating sexually with the women, produced the Nephilim beings based on this verse alone. But I may be wrong.
But what were the Nephilim? How are they related to demons according to you?Ok, i've read the hades/hell thread again, the last few pages. If I'm right, you believe that angels had sexual relations with women and this produced Nephilim, which you believe are demons?
What are the Nepilim?
I think they were once angels who came down to earth to gratify their lusts. I don't know what their status was in heaven but I think they were likely angels. As has been noted in previous posts I think this is likely the origen of the pantheon of Greek gods as well as many other gods/legends. Afterall Enoch 6:6 (granted this isn't neccessarily accepted scripture) notes that there were 200 in all. According to the book of Enoch these beings also taught humans many secrets of heaven.
Enoch 8:
And Azâzêl taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all
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colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they
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were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armârôs the resolving of enchantments, Barâqîjâl (taught) astrology, Kôkabêl the constellations, Êzêqêêl the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiêl the signs of the earth, Shamsiêl the signs of the sun, and Sariêl the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven…Perhaps these figures translate into the mythological Greek gods. Apollo = Shamsiêl, Azâzêl = Aries or Hephaestus. Most Greek gods are credited as the god of something – Athena, the goddess of wisdom, war, the arts, industry, justice and skill. Perhaps Athena was one who came down to reveal the secrets of heaven and is thus credited as goddess of all she taught.
When these “gods”/fallen angels came down they had sexual relations with human beings. As before mentioned their offspring could be the source of characters like Hercules or Gilgamesh and other demigods. I agree with this theory.
Also, Enoch 7:5-6 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
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fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.Not to be inappropriate but when it says they began to “sin” against birds, beast, and reptile could that have led to the legends of Icarus (wings), minitaurs (half beast), mermaids ect. Of course, it may be a stretch and scripture is limited in its descriptions but it is interesting to think about.
I do think the offspring of the original “angels” would have perished in the flood so I don't know that Goliath could have been one of them. Also, legends like Achilles and so forth likely wouldn't be true. Maybe just that Achilles was an amazing fighter and so writers embellished and incorporated past legends to say he must have been born of the “gods” or Nephilim. Just some ideas for discussion.
God Bless
Hi Jefe,
Gen 6.4
” The nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown”So it seems to say the Nephilim were not angels, sons of God.
They were the product of sexual relations between those angel sons and women.
They existed then and later suggesting some survived the flood.[God always leaves a remnant.]I believe Goliath was of this progeny but do not know where it is written.
Nick,
Good point. So then do you think the sons of God who produced the Nephilim could be the source of the Greek gods of mythology?
I do tend to think that Goliath must have been something more than just an abnormally large person. They way he is depicted in the Bible suggests almost supernatural status. How do you think a “remnant” of the Nephilim could have survived? Do you think they physically survived the flood? Are there any other historical examples of what you would consider surviving Nephilim?
God Bless
Hi Jefe,
Possibly.
1Chron 20.5f
“And there was war with the philistines, and Elhanan the son of Jair, killed Lahmi the BROTHER OF GOLIATH the gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
And again there was war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had 24 fingers and toes, six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot; and he was descended from the giants.”Nick,
Nicely done searching the scriptures. To me that sounds like you are right in your theory that a remnant of the Nephilim could have survived the flood. In what form do you think the remnant survived? Was it in a spiritual form which then manifested itself through Goliath and others? Or was there a physical survivor from the flood? Great job on finding that verse.God Bless
Hi Jefe,
Physical.
Bodies only derive from bodies.
But the Nephilim had no continued connection with angels or with men being neither one nor the other.So maybe a number of Nephilim physically survived the flood (they were obviously physically superior to any human, but do you think they could have lived through a worldwide catastrophe like that) and carried on their type for years to come, finding their way back into society. It is possible. Very interesting.
What did you mean in your earlier post about how “God always leaves a remnant”. Are there other instances of this? Great posts Nick.
God Bless
Hi,
Rom 11.4
“'I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal'
In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's precious choice”
Also Jer 6.9,23.3,Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2006,01:16) Hi,
Rom 11.4
“'I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal'
In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's precious choice”
Also Jer 6.9,23.3,
Gen 6:17 And I, behold, I do bring the flood of waters upon this earth, to “destroy all flesh”, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is in the earth shall die.
Gen 6:18 But I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.1Pe 3:20 that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, “eight souls, were saved through water: “
According to scripture no other “flesh” other than Noah and his family survived.
Anything else is purely speculation and should be noted.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 23 2006,03:19) Hi kenrch,
How do you reconcile the verse about the descendants of the giants?
Scripture Nick if it's not scripture then it should be noted as such. To say or suggest that the Nephilim survivied is not scriptual and is your opnion. And should be noted as such. Do you disagree?Hi kenrch,
All scripture is inspired so we have to find a way to reconcile that other verse. One verse being true does not make another untrue does it?
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