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I have a question to all who knows the bible well.
What is the name of the Father?
What is the name of the Son?
What is the name of the Holy Spirit?If we say Jesus, is it applicable to Father and Holy Spirit since trinitarians say they are one God?
Kindly post the verses that states the name of three mentioned above.
Tnx.
In this verse, I believe it is referring to the authority of each, in a sense, much like someone would say “stop, in the name of the law.”
Both the Father and son have personal names, but the holy spirit has no distinct name.
The Bible says that “Father”, “Son” and “Spirit” ARE the name of God:
Matthew 28:19 (ESV)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”Unless you want to say that the bible is teaching us to be baptized into the name of someone other than God, or that we are supposed to be disciples/followers/learners of someone other than God…. and plainly this isn't true…. the name of God is “Father”, “Son” and “Holy Spirit”….. so the Name, singular, is what we are to be baptized in to, the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
blessings,
KenThe name of the Father is “Jehovah”.
The name of the son is “Jesus”.
The Holy Spirit has no name, because he does not exist as a third person.
The bible also speaks of only one God.Ex. 8:10 “… know that there is none like unto the LORD (Jehovah) God.”
Deut. 4:35”…know that the LORD (Jehovah) he is God, there is none else beside him”.
Is. 40:13 “Who has directed the spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him ?”
v. 25 “ To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? Saith the Holy One “.
Is. 45:18 “For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he has established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.”
Is. 46:9 “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, there is none like me.”
Mark 12:32“…well, Master, thou has said the truth, for there is one God and there is none other but he.”
1 Cor. 8:4 “… and that there is none other God but one”.
v. 5 “ For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many “.)
v. 6 “ But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him”.There is absolutely nothing in these scriptures above that indicates there are three persons. Infect they emphasize that Jehovah, the Father, is God. If Jesus was God, and equal to God, Is. 40:25 should not be in your bible, and Jesus should not be called his son. God has no equal.
1 John 4:12 “No one has seen God at any time…”
If Jesus were “God”, that scripture would not be true, especially since Jesus was the one that said it.
John 1:18 “No man hath seen God at any time…”
May I also bring to your attention that Paul’s letters, Peter’s and John’s, all start with, “Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ”, never a mentioning of the “Holy Spirit.” If I was the Holy Spirit I would feel left out, wouldn’t you?
Paul always gives thanks to the Father.Rom. 1:8 “First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all…”
1 Cor. 1:4 “I thank my God always on your behalf…”
Phil. 1:3 “I thank my God upon every remembrance of you.”
Col. 1:3 “We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ…”
1Thes. 1:2 “We give thanks to God always for you all…”My point is this; considering what the Holy Spirit does for us, would he not deserve some thanks too?
Think about it.Georg
Don't forget this one because Yahweh specifically said this was his name:
Exo 34:14 For you shall not worship strange gods, for the Lord God, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God;
But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name [was] Belteshazzar, according to the name of my god, and in whom [is] the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, [saying], O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods [is] in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.
Thus [were] the visions of “mine head” in my bed;(LOVE THIS PROPHETS TRUTH, DAN HE ABOVE IS SO NOT PLAYING GOD BUT IS FULL OF HONEST REPORT, BUT AWARE FOR THE SCRIBES STROCK OF A PEN?) I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof [was] great.
Dan 4:8TWELVE tribes considered heathen?
God has to bring again captivity, even repeats
again after Moses became their god.just to restore his holy name,,saith Eze
THE WAR OF THE GODS IS INCREADABLE BOUND TOGETHER IN ONE BOOK.Eze 36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;For thus saith the high and lofty One
that inhabiteth eternity
whose name is Holy;
I dwell in the high and holy place
with him also that is of a contrite
and humble spirit,
to revive the spirit of the humble,
and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
Cry aloud, spare not,
lift up thy voice like a trumpet
shew my people their transgression
and that house of Jacob their sins!!!.( Isa 58:1 )Irene, if the Holy Spirit didn't exist as a separate Person, then why did they refer to Him as having an opinion in Acts 15:28?
“For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things…”
“It seemed good to the Holy Ghost.” Seems like the Holy Ghost is a Person from reading this. Also, think about how else He was described:
“Teacher” and “Helper”
John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
Okay, we have the Holy Spirit, then a separate entity, the Father, who sends the Holy Spirit, and we have Jesus, whose words will be brought to our remembrance BY the Holy Ghost.How can someone who doesn't exist teach, comfort or help???
Why does the Bible refer to the Holy Spirit as a “He”; as an Being, if He didn't exist, and say that He will teach and comfort people, and that He had a teaching about doctrine in Acts 15:28, according to the prophecy in John 14:26? …prophecy first? unto the Gospal that creates
the fulfiller of the (comforter) Johns exchange for Jesus life also known as(the one of 7 Holy spirits sent from god
(comforter) occurs 8 times in 7 verses in the KJV
Page 1 / 1 (Ecc 4:1 – Jhn 16:7)uncomfortable (comforter) sent with power but only opressions taunt!
Ecc 4:1 So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of [such as were] oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors [there was] power; but they had no comforter.
Lam 1:9 Her filthiness [is] in her skirts; she remembereth not her last end; therefore she came down wonderfully: she had no comforter. O LORD, behold my affliction: for the enemy hath magnified [himself].
Lam 1:16 For these [things] I weep; mine eye, mine eye runneth down with water, because the comforter that should relieve my soul is far from me: my children are desolate, because the enemy prevailed.
Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
GOD said he spoke thru the FATHERS past, John encorages a new, forsking IGNORING the past words, many follow ignoring OT? JESUS IS ALL POWERFUL, AFTER HE GONE POWER IS USED IN HIS NAME. he said he said said John who realy said and wrote it!
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you;(Exchange) but if I depart, I will send him unto you.Lam 1:16 For these [things] I weep; mine eye, mine eye runneth down with water, because the comforter that should relieve my soul is far from me: my children are desolate, because the “enemy prevailed”.the earth is made desolate, a dry desert at end, because he said, he said ..while they asumed it, they wrote it in words!
Hanoch
The Holy Spirit is referred to as the comforter and the helper, because that is what the Holy Spirit does, and yes he is referred to as a “he”, but show me a scripture that says he is a person, or a being.
Also, try to explain the scriptures I have mentioned earlier, like to hear your comments on them.Georg
Adams Holy spirit? Caused his children to draw blood,
Reminds me of John’s comforter that accuses people of having the father of liars, Pinocchio? hehe, which has a talking Jesus, when others say he answered not a thing when they took him in,
And the exchange of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit,
And then a renewed holy spirit THAT IS THE REGENERATONS
Those that believe the womb is how the dead rise from the grave. souls a bodie has thou prepared, lo I and WE come in volume of book.
Latter day rain, no Jesus found. only a King unreconised?
Hsa 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter daysZec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.
A New Name, all recive a new Name, A NEW EARTH
EVERY SEED HAS PASSED AND LIVED BY THE CURSE OF ADAM
at the end of all the creaton walking the earth and returning to corrupton, Jesus begins being the first of the regeneratons to be born again, a New NameThey recognized David here HSA 3.5, and THEY new not when they wrote this SCRIPTURE, what his new name would be? JESUS WAS MILE OFF APPEARING TO HAVE AN EARTHLY Name given for the event prophecy, (? SPIRIT AGAINST HUMAN ABLITIES)yet it is was confirmed it is Davids soul, lo come in volume of book? that THIS God had said he david is the first begotten, The KING made lowly not UNRECONISED, in a prepared body to believe upon…..
Hsa 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days
how shall they rise from the grave?
every nation had and made its own thoughts on gods ways, eg. feven PRESERVED BODIES, expecting the promise of awaking again in litruel real grave rising.Hanoch
I did not say the Holy Spirit does not exist, I said, he does not exist as a third person.
This spirit, which the bible refers to as “the Holy Spirit”, is Gods spirit, his mind, it is not a person.
Is our spirit in us another person, 1 Cor. 2:11?
What mind was in Christ, that Paul said should also be in us, Phil. 2:5?
Do read through the scriptures in my post again, and meditate on them for a while, see what they realy say.Georg
Quote (Irene @ July 29 2008,14:38) Hanoch The Holy Spirit is referred to as the comforter and the helper, because that is what the Holy Spirit does, and yes he is referred to as a “he”, but show me a scripture that says he is a person, or a being.
Also, try to explain the scriptures I have mentioned earlier, like to hear your comments on them.Georg
This holy spirit, being an integral part of god, is also a genocidal maniac. He is pretty choosy about who he comforts and helps. All the innocents he smote must have been a bit puzzled about being arbitrarily slaughtered by him.Stuart
guys, is it also safe to call the Holy Spirit as YAHWEH? because that name means GOD – i am who i am.
Quote The Holy Spirit is referred to as the comforter and the helper, because that is what the Holy Spirit does, and yes he is referred to as a “he”, but show me a scripture that says he is a person, or a being. The fact that the B i b l e does not explicitly MENTION, EXPLAIN, or TEACH a trinity is in itself strong proof that the trinity teaching is false. And this is also borne out by what the Bible TEACHES regarding the holy spirit.
God’s Word will HELP US and GUIDE US to a correct understanding of the holy spirit.
One cannot just look at the fact that personal attributes are applied to the holy spirit and conclude that this proves the holy spirit is a person, for personal attributes are definitely applied to very impersonal things in the Bible by means of personification. Just above, we spoke of the Bible as “teaching,” “explaining,” ‘helping’ and ‘guiding.’ This is called personification.–The reason we know the Bible isn't a person? Because it's also described as a book in terms that a person would never be.
–The reason we know the holy spirit isn't a person? Because it's also described in terms being people being “filled with” it, being “anointed with” it. It being given,’ ‘poured out upon,’ and ‘distributed.’ You can be baptized in it.
A person can baptize others with water, dipping them into it, as John did, and a person can baptize others with fire by immersing them in flames or causing their destruction; but how can one person baptize others with another person?These impersonal characteristics are certainly not attributes of a person. None of these expressions would be appropriate if the holy spirit were a person.
If you want to try something interesting, look at all of Paul's letters in the first few verses.
The Apostle Paul sends personal greetings from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, AND NO MENTION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.Some examples, but check them all:
1 CORINTHIANS 1:3
“May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ.”
2 CORINTHIANS 1:2
“May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ.”
GALATIANS 1:3
“May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ.”
EPHESIANS 1:2
“May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ.”
PHILIPPIANS 1:2
“May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ.”
COLOSSIANS 1:2
“to the holy ones and faithful brothers in union with Christ at Co·lośsae: May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father.”
1 TIMOTHY 1:2
“to Timothy, a genuine child in the faith: May there be undeserved kindness, mercy, peace from God [the] Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.”
2 TIMOTHY 1:2
“May there be undeserved kindness, mercy, peace from God [the] Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.”
TITUS 1:4
“May there be undeserved kindness and peace from God [the] Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.”IMAGINE! Imagine three equal partners in a company and only two of them ever send their greetings out!
The holy spirit is always left out of these greetings— an unbelievable and unexplainable oversight if it were indeed a person or entity coequal with God the Father and Christ!James, Peter, and John used similar phrases in the introduction to their letters where they likewise do not mention the holy spirit. Why? Because they were not Trinitarians either.
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