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Hi,
In another post Kerwin spoke of mysticism as an aspect of scripture.Thank you for bringing this up. Here is where parables and metaphor are mentioned in that entry though you might have to scroll down a little.
Nick Hassan,
Mysticism is merely an outlook.
The spirit is the spirt of righteousness.
The spirit has a mystic outlook that is also righteous and thus will alow you to correctly interpret the parables, i.e. riddles of God.
On the other hand mysticism guided by the sinful nature will take you some very stange places as has been attested to by the beliefs of some on this board.
Hi brother Nick and Kerwin,
Here is a nice article on Jewish and Christian mysticism if you are interested.
http://www.marquette.edu/maqom/definition.pdfAdam,
Thank you.
She does apear to know what she speaks of though her use of tech terms makes her writing difficult to understand. I have not read all of it but only scaned the initial pages.
Mysticism has gotten a bad name as there are many forms of it and some of those are in disrepute. The mystycism in New Testiment scripture is as Adam's source points out virturally the same as Jewish mysticism. This would change over time but then the both groups of religions would depart from the true church as well. In modern times we have been taught to reject mysticism which have let some to reject the ideas of angels, demons, etc. as well as mystic events like the temptation of Jesus. Another ways mysticism is expressed in scripture is by the use of parables and metaphors.
One example is that Matthew seemed to have looked at Isaiah 7:14 as a parable of the birth of the Anointed One. Some reject this interpretation because it is not straightforward Greek reasoning but that was not the outlook of those like Matthew or Paul who used similar reasoning in Hebrews if not other places.
The teaching of mysticism is combined with the true faith as can be seen from Psalms 78:2 which speaks of uttering things that have been hidden from old.
Hi KW,
Mystery babylon also claims her gnostic teachings are revelation of hidden godly things.
What is spiritual is not mystical and can be shown to us by the SpiritYou are right brother Nick even Jewish mysticists were famous in the first century Judaism. Many books were written to support their idealogies.
Nick Hassan,
If you do not understand the difference between the hidden things spoken of about Babylon the Whore and those spoken of in Psalms 78:2 then you are truly in darkness.
Personally, I think you know the difference but are currently blinded by the teachings of men.
What is God speaking of in Psalms 78:2 and what is Revelations 17:5?
Can you compare and contrast them?
Please share what you know as I am still learning about the mysteries of God which that in Revelations 17:5 may be one of if it is the same one the angel speaks of in Revelations 17:7.
Are you claiming the Spirit of God does not reveal the mysteries of God to whom she chooses?
Thank you!
Your fellow student,
Kerwin
Hi KW,
calling the work of God's Spirit mysticism is unwise.
Yet you tell others they are in darkness?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2010,23:01) Hi KW,
calling the work of God's Spirit mysticism is unwise.
Yet you tell others they are in darkness?
It is easy to see who is in darkness when their deeds show their corruption or ignorance. It is more difficult to tell the truly righteous from those who are corrupt but dressed in righteousness. I have no real ability to judge the desires of the soul of man that strugles within him even when that soul is mine.There is no insult in calling the work of God's spirit mysticim as it means “Of, relating to, or stemming from direct communion with ultimate reality or God”
It can also mean “Of, relating to, or stemming from direct communion with ultimate reality or God”
I can even see where two other possible definition can be true as God's message can even be “Enigmatic” and “Criptic” to his people must less those that are perishing. It could be called “obscure” and “unitelligible” though it is not either to those who are in the Anointed Jesus. I suppose even the practices of baptism and prayer can be referred to as mystical.
So depite how you have been endoctrinated the term mysticism fits the at least part of the effects of the works of the Spirit of God and maybe all of them.
I used the definitions for mystical from the freedictionary.com.
Hi KW,
So ignorance and righteousness and corruption are by your judgement?Then who are you in God's eyes?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2010,10:53) Hi KW,
So ignorance and righteousness and corruption are by your judgement?Then who are you in God's eyes?
It is written:Proverbs 20:11(NIV) reads:
Quote Even a child is known by his actions, by whether his conduct is pure and right.
I already stated I have no idea who anyone even myself is in God's eye as God judges the soul and I cannot.
Hi KW,
Know also the heart is shown by a man's words.
What is spiritual should not be tainted by man's definitionsQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2010,11:01) Hi KW,
Know also the heart is shown by a man's words.
What is spiritual should not be tainted by man's definitions
I have been declaring that one's heart is shown by one's words.Why do you believe a definition of the word used to describe the works of the spirit taint the spirit as it is merely a way to describe those works?
Nick It is true that God does not need the aid of the words of man but it is also obvious that he chooses to use them at times as scripture is written in those words.
I certainly agree that the spirit reveals as that is what I have been claimin in this tonight and have claimed in other places at other times.
Hi KW,
Why are men not willing to sit at the feet of the master and let his words soak into their hearts?
Why do their arrogant and ignorant minds take over and demand the right to filter them first?
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