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Quote (georg @ Sep. 25 2009,03:14) CA I was right, you are a Democrat, they never answer a question either.
Georg
I'm so glad you said that. Now I can prove to everyone how unreasonable you are in what you say.I have NEVER been a Democrat. I've always been a Conservative.
You just don't like that I make your views look ridiculous when compared to the teachings of the Church. You always have to digress into straw man arguments in your failing attempt to look convincing or credible. You say “Well you believe….this!” When everyone thinking with half a lobe knows I don't.
Maybe you should try listening.
Hi CA,
Why is the Holy Bible not the teachings of your church?
It would give you at least the veneer of authenticity.Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 16 2009,11:32) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 16 2009,10:10) CatholicApologist,Sep. wrote:[quote=942767,Sep. 16 2009,09:49]The Apostles did not teach the “trinity doctrine”, and neither do the scriptures state that I have to agree with this doctrine to be saved, nor do the scriptures state that I have to believe that Mary is the last Eve and that she is my mother in order for me to be a disciple of the Lord.
I haven't bypassed the Apostles, but what I have bypassed are those who falsely claim to be Apostles.
I already showed you what the true church looks like.
And yes, I have a personal relationship with God my Father, and Jesus said:
Quote Jhn 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. Jhn 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Like you said, right out of the sky. Thank you Father for my Lord Jesus who gave his life so that I could have the priviledge and honor of being a son of the Most High God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Nor do the Scriptures state that everything you MUST believe is IN the Scriptures.I do disagree. The apostles did teach the “trinity” doctrine.
And you haven't shown me what the true church looks like at all. All you have done is ineffectively try to peddle your lone ranger rebel religion. The fruit stinks.
BTW, you might as well have quoted the book of Mormon as a source for authority. According to your standard of what should be Scripture, you'd get along great with those guys.
O.K. then show us some Scriptures that shows the trinity.
IreneQuote (georg @ Sep. 25 2009,08:10) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 16 2009,11:32) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 16 2009,10:10) CatholicApologist,Sep. wrote:[quote=942767,Sep. 16 2009,09:49]The Apostles did not teach the “trinity doctrine”, and neither do the scriptures state that I have to agree with this doctrine to be saved, nor do the scriptures state that I have to believe that Mary is the last Eve and that she is my mother in order for me to be a disciple of the Lord.
I haven't bypassed the Apostles, but what I have bypassed are those who falsely claim to be Apostles.
I already showed you what the true church looks like.
And yes, I have a personal relationship with God my Father, and Jesus said:
Quote Jhn 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. Jhn 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Like you said, right out of the sky. Thank you Father for my Lord Jesus who gave his life so that I could have the priviledge and honor of being a son of the Most High God.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Nor do the Scriptures state that everything you MUST believe is IN the Scriptures.I do disagree. The apostles did teach the “trinity” doctrine.
And you haven't shown me what the true church looks like at all. All you have done is ineffectively try to peddle your lone ranger rebel religion. The fruit stinks.
BTW, you might as well have quoted the book of Mormon as a source for authority. According to your standard of what should be Scripture, you'd get along great with those guys.
O.K. then show us some Scriptures that shows the trinity.
Irene
Show me the Scripture that says that everything worthy of belief HAS to be in Scripture.Hi CA,
We know you have many beliefs about God and faith that you have put alongside scripture-mere vanities.Cut off from the anchor of Christ you have drifted for centuries according to the vain whims of men.
Wake up.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 25 2009,13:32) Hi CA,
We know you have many beliefs about God and faith that you have put alongside scripture-mere vanities.Cut off from the anchor of Christ you have drifted for centuries according to the vain whims of men.
Wake up.
You're the one drifting being tossed by every wind of doctrine.I'm on a steady course for heaven.
Hi CA,
Your leaders do not seem to have the same powers and inspiration as our Lord.
But to each their own.Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 25 2009,13:16) Show me the Scripture that says that everything worthy of belief HAS to be in Scripture.
Show me a scripture that says that the traditions of men, nullify the power of God.Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 28 2009,15:59) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 25 2009,13:32) Hi CA,
We know you have many beliefs about God and faith that you have put alongside scripture-mere vanities.Cut off from the anchor of Christ you have drifted for centuries according to the vain whims of men.
Wake up.
You're the one drifting being tossed by every wind of doctrine.I'm on a steady course for heaven.
Hi CA,
Do you really think that trampling on the sacred words of God and elevating your own is putting you on that path?Hi CA:
Quote Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Quote Luk 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (t8 @ Sep. 29 2009,18:23) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 25 2009,13:16) Show me the Scripture that says that everything worthy of belief HAS to be in Scripture.
Show me a scripture that says that the traditions of men, nullify the power of God.
standing in agreement with t8Quote (t8 @ Sep. 29 2009,18:23) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 25 2009,13:16) Show me the Scripture that says that everything worthy of belief HAS to be in Scripture.
Show me a scripture that says that the traditions of men, nullify the power of God.
Show me a Scripture that COMMANDS you to obey oral (unwritten) apostolic TRADITION.Hint: 2 Thess. 2:15
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 30 2009,11:38) Hi CA: Quote Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Quote Luk 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? Love in Christ,
Marty
What is your interpretation of these verses?The Church's makes me say “Amen” to them.
Hi CA,
O yes …. your deluded cronies wrote these unwritten traditions and now offer them as greater than the Holy Scriptures.Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 25 2009,13:16) Show me the Scripture that says that everything worthy of belief HAS to be in Scripture.
It is a no brainer that scripture, (which is inspired of God) will not conflict with teachings, doctrine, or understanding that are not found in scripture.If it conflicts with that which is inspired by God for doctrine, reproof and correction, then it must be wrong. If not, then God is wrong and therefore imperfect and to believe that is to agree with the Devil.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnessSo no tradition or belief that contradicts scripture is true. Not even if it is the words of the Pope.
Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 01 2009,06:47) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 30 2009,11:38) Hi CA: Quote Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Quote Luk 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? Love in Christ,
Marty
What is your interpretation of these verses?The Church's makes me say “Amen” to them.
Hi CA:So then, the Catholic church rules over you by force “making you say amen”.
I would not be a part of any organization where I am not able to read and interpret the scriptures for myself.
To tell someone that you agree with what they are teaching when you don't would be hypocrisy. I can never do this.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Oct. 02 2009,09:27) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 01 2009,06:47) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 30 2009,11:38) Hi CA: Quote Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Quote Luk 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? Love in Christ,
Marty
What is your interpretation of these verses?The Church's makes me say “Amen” to them.
Hi CA:So then, the Catholic church rules over you by force “making you say amen”.
I would not be a part of any organization where I am not able to read and interpret the scriptures for myself.
To tell someone that you agree with what they are teaching when you don't would be hypocrisy. I can never do this.
Love in Christ,
Marty
That's because what you don't see is that you have placed yourself as your own authority and don't want to let go…even though it is not working out for you.Evidence abounds for the authority of the Church, yet you refuse to consider it.
Quote (942767 @ Oct. 02 2009,09:27) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 01 2009,06:47) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 30 2009,11:38) Hi CA: Quote Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Quote Luk 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? Love in Christ,
Marty
What is your interpretation of these verses?The Church's makes me say “Amen” to them.
Hi CA:So then, the Catholic church rules over you by force “making you say amen”.
I would not be a part of any organization where I am not able to read and interpret the scriptures for myself.
To tell someone that you agree with what they are teaching when you don't would be hypocrisy. I can never do this.
Love in Christ,
Marty
…and no one MAKES me say Amen. I am a Catholic by choice. I happen to believe all of the teachings of the Church by my own free will.Quote (t8 @ Oct. 01 2009,14:44) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Sep. 25 2009,13:16) Show me the Scripture that says that everything worthy of belief HAS to be in Scripture.
It is a no brainer that scripture, (which is inspired of God) will not conflict with teachings, doctrine, or understanding that are not found in scripture.If it conflicts with that which is inspired by God for doctrine, reproof and correction, then it must be wrong. If not, then God is wrong and therefore imperfect and to believe that is to agree with the Devil.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnessSo no tradition or belief that contradicts scripture is true. Not even if it is the words of the Pope.
If “no brainer” means that you choose not to use your brains before you speak you may have a point. But otherwise you just may want to rethink what you just said.We are NOT talking about whether something has to conflict with Scripture. Don't change the subject. Answer my question.
“Show me the Scripture that says that everything worthy of belief HAS to be in Scripture.” (not just agree with Scripture…which is a subjective concept anyway since what you really mean is your interpretation of it)
Show me the Scripture that says in effect “And if any doctrine comes to you that is not written in these books, matthew, mark, luke, john, acts, etc. etc. you shall reject it as false.” Not even a hint of anything of the kind.
2 Tim. 3:16 simply says that all Scripture is PROFITABLE. Which it is. But there are no claim in the passage of exclusivity for Scripture. And it makes sense if you back up two verses and read this in context:
“But continue thou in those things which thou hast learned, and which have been committed to thee: knowing of whom thou hast learned them;”
Ah…so you mean what you hear in the ear and the person you heard it from matter too? Not just what you read?
Not such a no brainer, eh?
O, I'm not surprised…but you keep ignoring my challenge to talk to me about 2 Thess. 2:15
“Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.”
But reading the WHOLE Bible is too Catholic for you…isn't it?
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