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Quote (Wakeup @ May 07 2013,00:27) Quote (Resting @ May 06 2013,20:41) Quote (Wakeup @ May 06 2013,20:10) Hi Resting. Daniel 7:20 And of the **ten horns** that were in his head, and of **the other** which came up, and before whom three fell; even of **that horn that had eyes**, and a **mouth** that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than ***his fellows***.
Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the **same horn** made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.
**THE LITTLE HORN WITH EYES AND MOUTH IS A MAN**Horns=kings
beasts=kingdoms.
A wicked king can also be called a beast of a king;or an animal of a man.
Satan is called the dragon;also a beast.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast , whose deadly wound was healed.It is the first beast that the second beast wants all men to worship. Not himself. Dan 11 deals with the first beast, not the false prophet.
Secondly–
The lying signs and wonders of the 6th vial are done by the dragon, beast , and false prophet, but you have it that only the false prophet does that.
You have the 6th vial before Christ returns and that is wrong, for Christ is in Jerusalem with the saints (Ez.12)
Only the false prophet does the lying wonders of Rev.ch 13 before Christ returns and they are bombs (fire from heaven)
space travel, sciences, gene engineering etc.The second beast of Rev.13 is a corporate body of people like as the singular Bride of Christ.
It is the clash of brides before Christ returns.
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Resting.The 10 horns(kings) will come first to establish the kingdom;then the little horn will come up soon later; and he will endorse the 7kings and uproot the 3kings.(he has the power to do this).
He will force the new system to the population,and place some strict penalties,such as death.
All must worship the new system and image,and him as god.
He will be the king,and call himself God.He is the son of satan.wakeup.
Wakeup,The little horn is stronger than his fellows and came up out of the ten.
The ten are still there when Christ returns. (ten toes)
It is not the false prophet who receives worship, it is the beast.
Satan is not referred to as the beast, it is the dragon and even the dragon has a body and tail for it lives in an organization and has false prophets. That is how it lives in the sea (nations).
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Resting,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Wakeup, The little horn is stronger than his fellows and came up out of the ten.
The ten are still there when Christ returns. (ten toes)
Resting,
The little horn is leading the ten kings. (the false prophet)Quote It is not the false prophet who receives worship, it is the beast.
The 10 kings is the new world empire (NWO)
It's the new system they must obey. (the beast)
New laws will be enforced, all must obey or be killed.
The little horn is the head honcho. Enforcing the world to obey the new laws of the new empire.
These 10 kings have the man power (armies & law enforcement officers) and power to arrest us, put us in prison, and even kill us if we break their new laws.Quote Satan is not referred to as the beast, it is the dragon and even the dragon has a body and tail for it lives in an organization and has false prophets. That is how it lives in the sea (nations).
Yes. The beast coming out of the sea is not Satan himself, but Satan's empires. All of them from beginning to end. (7 heads = 7 empires)Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
It's this last empire that's made up of 10 kings
They must form first, and rule for a short space, then their leader emerges. (The beast coming out of the earth is the false prophet also called the little horn)This last empire turns into the 8th. A reformation of the 7th, which means it's already here but will change (new laws, new leaders, but same kingdom)
This shows us that this false prophet is a secular leader,
and also a spiritual leader because he is performing miracles. (2 horns like a lamb)Quote (journey42 @ May 07 2013,12:09) Resting,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Wakeup, The little horn is stronger than his fellows and came up out of the ten.
The ten are still there when Christ returns. (ten toes)
Resting,
The little horn is leading the ten kings. (the false prophet)Quote It is not the false prophet who receives worship, it is the beast.
The 10 kings is the new world empire (NWO)
It's the new system they must obey. (the beast)
New laws will be enforced, all must obey or be killed.
The little horn is the head honcho. Enforcing the world to obey the new laws of the new empire.
These 10 kings have the man power (armies & law enforcement officers) and power to arrest us, put us in prison, and even kill us if we break their new laws.Quote Satan is not referred to as the beast, it is the dragon and even the dragon has a body and tail for it lives in an organization and has false prophets. That is how it lives in the sea (nations).
Yes. The beast coming out of the sea is not Satan himself, but Satan's empires. All of them from beginning to end. (7 heads = 7 empires)Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
It's this last empire that's made up of 10 kings
They must form first, and rule for a short space, then their leader emerges. (The beast coming out of the earth is the false prophet also called the little horn)This last empire turns into the 8th. A reformation of the 7th, which means it's already here but will change (new laws, new leaders, but same kingdom)
This shows us that this false prophet is a secular leader,
and also a spiritual leader because he is performing miracles. (2 horns like a lamb)
The other way to do this is see Israel of the flesh coming out from among the ten kings and forcing men to worship the first beast.That still makes the USA the major player.
No matter how you look at it, the second beast of Rev.13 is not one person and it wants men to worship the first beast.
No miracles of the religious kind are deceiving the people now, it is all natural sciences, bombs etc.
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Quote (2besee @ May 06 2013,11:02) Journey, do YOU not believe that the ten commandments were “done away with” or was that somebody else? If it was you….. SEE, that is avoiding what Jesus said concerning the commandments of God, and AVOIDING the fact that the commandments being 'bound' as a sign on the right hand and the forehead (in the Old Testement) connecting with the same sign in Revelations – by making it a literal sign, you are AVOIDING the truth that it may be an invisible mark, just as the seal of God is invisible. I take your silence as, yes, it was you.
I knew that.Journey,
Are the ten commandments to be obeyed?
Yes or No.Quote (2besee @ May 07 2013,15:15) Quote (2besee @ May 06 2013,11:02) Journey, do YOU not believe that the ten commandments were “done away with” or was that somebody else? If it was you….. SEE, that is avoiding what Jesus said concerning the commandments of God, and AVOIDING the fact that the commandments being 'bound' as a sign on the right hand and the forehead (in the Old Testement) connecting with the same sign in Revelations – by making it a literal sign, you are AVOIDING the truth that it may be an invisible mark, just as the seal of God is invisible. I take your silence as, yes, it was you.
I knew that.Journey,
Are the ten commandments to be obeyed?
Yes or No.
2Besee.Can you tell the difference between the commandments written in stone,and the commandments written in the hearts?
Love thy neigbour as thy self.wakeup.
Wakeup,
The commandments were not “done away with”. Rather, they got harder, because it was not only what we do outwardly but what we do inwardly.
Not much point not taking the “microchip” if you disobey the commands, is there.
Like, if you were to covet and steal or even kill to survive without the “chip”.
Best to get your foundations right first, then you are ready for whatever may come.
Knowledge will not save you. Only God can.
Quote (2besee @ May 07 2013,20:10) Wakeup, The commandments were not “done away with”. Rather, they got harder, because it was not only what we do outwardly but what we do inwardly.
Not much point not taking the “microchip” if you disobey the commands, is there.
Like, if you were to covet and steal or even kill to survive without the “chip”.
Best to get your foundations right first, then you are ready for whatever may come.
Knowledge will not save you. Only God can.
2Besee.Yes; and you have inwardly ignored the words of God serving your own pride.But outwardly speaking of the law.
The words written in the bible is sacret to me,and not to be ignored. This is not the case with you,so you should not speak of the law.wakeup.
Believing something fulfilled is different than ignoring CLEAR scriptures that are presented to you.
BTW, what is up with you? Strange how nice you are lately. Must be a reason. Yes, I know.
Quote (2besee @ May 07 2013,21:36) And what about you Wakeup?
How much have you ignored.
2Besee.You are known to ignore scriptures presented to you.
I consider all scriptures holy.
Now,which one is the fake?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 07 2013,21:01) Quote (2besee @ May 07 2013,15:15) Quote (2besee @ May 06 2013,11:02) Journey, do YOU not believe that the ten commandments were “done away with” or was that somebody else? If it was you….. SEE, that is avoiding what Jesus said concerning the commandments of God, and AVOIDING the fact that the commandments being 'bound' as a sign on the right hand and the forehead (in the Old Testement) connecting with the same sign in Revelations – by making it a literal sign, you are AVOIDING the truth that it may be an invisible mark, just as the seal of God is invisible. I take your silence as, yes, it was you.
I knew that.Journey,
Are the ten commandments to be obeyed?
Yes or No.
2Besee.Can you tell the difference between the commandments written in stone,and the commandments written in the hearts?
Love thy neigbour as thy self.wakeup.
Wakeup,
I was not asking you I was asking the question of Journey so I would appreciate it if JOURNEY answered. It is a yes or no question.And I do not need a sermon, just a “yes or a no” will do.
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My answer to the question is simple.
“Yes, they are to be obeyed, both inwardly and outwardly”.Quote (2besee @ May 07 2013,15:15) Quote (2besee @ May 06 2013,11:02) Journey, do YOU not believe that the ten commandments were “done away with” or was that somebody else? If it was you….. SEE, that is avoiding what Jesus said concerning the commandments of God, and AVOIDING the fact that the commandments being 'bound' as a sign on the right hand and the forehead (in the Old Testement) connecting with the same sign in Revelations – by making it a literal sign, you are AVOIDING the truth that it may be an invisible mark, just as the seal of God is invisible. I take your silence as, yes, it was you.
I knew that.Journey,
Are the ten commandments to be obeyed?
Yes or No.
Hi 2BesseI've been working. Not at home. I only had a few minutes this morning so only answered Resting.
In answer to your question,
we are not under the 10 commandments anymore.
Nor were we gentiles ever under the curse of the law.
This doesn't mean that those laws were of no value,
because everything God commands is according to righteousness,
but the law had to serve it's purpose,
until the real sacrifice came,
and that was Christ.
We are under the new covenant, not the old.
To follow the old covenant is to put oneself under bondage,
because if you break one law, you break the whole lot,
and I prefer to be free under Christ.Quote (2besee @ May 07 2013,21:39) Believing something fulfilled is different than ignoring CLEAR scriptures that are presented to you. BTW, what is up with you? Strange how nice you are lately. Must be a reason. Yes, I know.
2Besee.I am always nice,accept to those that blatantly ignore scriptures presented, and treat it as of nothing.
If we just ignore certain scriptures,how can we still speak of God and worship and love and the rest.The Holy bible contains Holy scriptures.
wakeup.
Journey, thanks for answering. So what do these verses mean to you then.
Revelation 12:17
Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Revelations 14:12
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
2besee,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Journey, thanks for answering. So what do these verses mean to you then. Revelation 12:17
Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Revelations 14:12
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
2Besse
Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
The apostles were holy men. Why would Christ need to teach them the commandments?
So the answer is they must be new commandments.
New covenant, new commandments.
Not just 10,
but 10 thousand or so in the new testament. (new commandments)for example; Christ said we must eat his flesh.
This is a new commandment we can't ignore.
We are talking holy scriptures here, God's word in print that cannot be refused,
We cannot use men's words to prove a point when discussing the scriptures.1 Thessalonians 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.2Besee.
You have just about quoted the whole bible,but with no understanding. So many scriptures you quoted contradicts your own believes. Let me just give one.
Revelation 11:15
Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, **The kingdom of the world has **become** the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ**, and **he *shall* reign for ever and ever**.AFTER ARMAGEDDON ONLY, WILL THE KINGDOM BE CHRISTS. ONLY THEN WILL HE REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER.
BUT YOU SAY THAT HE HAS BEEN REIGNING FOR 2000YRS NOW.Please elaborate on just this piont.
wakeup.
Journey, you missed out the love thy neighbor bit which is in Matthew 22:39.
That is also the command in each of the other scriptures you presented (1Thes and 1John).Quote Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: That has nothing to do with the ten commandments, and you know that.
You speak about the commandments of Jesus, somehow excluding God's ten commandments, but you ignore the command to water baptize, to the Jew and to the Gentile and try to teach others the same.
If the ten commandments were done away with then why did Jesus say this (please take the time to read it again):
Matthew 19:
[16] And behold, one came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?”
[17] And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.“
[18] He said to him, “Which?” And Jesus said, “You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
[19] Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”There, Jesus is telling the man WHICH commandments to keep (the ten commandments), not excluding what Jesus also added.
[20] The young man said to him, “All these I have observed; what do I still lack?”
[21] Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”How many people do things in life just to get ahead, or just to be liked, or just to gain something from somebody, when deep down they are the opposite of how they are presenting themselves to be on the outside.
God knows this, and so that is why Jesus said that the law was not “done away with” but that it became a matter of 'within' as well as 'without', thoughts and true intentions which are deep and only God knows, as well as actions.Matthew 5
[17] “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
[18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
[19] Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[20] For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.[21] “You have heard that it was said to the men of old, `You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.'
[22] But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, `You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire.
[23] So if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,
[24] leave your gift there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
[25] Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison;
[26] truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.[27] “You have heard that it was said, `You shall not commit adultery.'
[28] But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
[29] If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.
[30] And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.[31] “It was also said, `Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.'
[32] But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.[33] “Again you have heard that it was said to the men of old, `You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.'
[34] But I say to you, Do not swear at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,
[35] or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
[36] And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
[37] Let what you say be simply `Yes' or `No'; anything more than this comes from evil.[38] “You have heard that it was said, `An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
[39] But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;
[40] and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well;
[41] and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
[42] Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.[43] “You have heard that it was said, `You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
[44] But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
[45] so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
[46]For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
[47] And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
[48] You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.As you can see, the law became HARDER, definitely not “Done away with”
Because heaven and earth have not passed away yet.And you also missed those two verses that I gave you from Revelation.
Revelation 12:17
Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.Revelations 14:12
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.—————-
So Journey, after reading all of this scripture, can you be honest, and say “We should obey the ten commandments plus the commandments of Jesus”.
Quote (journey42 @ May 07 2013,12:09) Resting,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Wakeup, The little horn is stronger than his fellows and came up out of the ten.
The ten are still there when Christ returns. (ten toes)
Resting,
The little horn is leading the ten kings. (the false prophet)Quote It is not the false prophet who receives worship, it is the beast.
The 10 kings is the new world empire (NWO)
It's the new system they must obey. (the beast)
New laws will be enforced, all must obey or be killed.
The little horn is the head honcho. Enforcing the world to obey the new laws of the new empire.
These 10 kings have the man power (armies & law enforcement officers) and power to arrest us, put us in prison, and even kill us if we break their new laws.Quote Satan is not referred to as the beast, it is the dragon and even the dragon has a body and tail for it lives in an organization and has false prophets. That is how it lives in the sea (nations).
Yes. The beast coming out of the sea is not Satan himself, but Satan's empires. All of them from beginning to end. (7 heads = 7 empires)Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
It's this last empire that's made up of 10 kings
They must form first, and rule for a short space, then their leader emerges. (The beast coming out of the earth is the false prophet also called the little horn)This last empire turns into the 8th. A reformation of the 7th, which means it's already here but will change (new laws, new leaders, but same kingdom)
This shows us that this false prophet is a secular leader,
and also a spiritual leader because he is performing miracles. (2 horns like a lamb)
Journey,Let me get this straight as to what you's believe.
Is it this–
The false prophet is the leader of the ten kings but he pulls up three of them by the roots and wants man to worship the first beast of seven kings (left).
The false prophet does all these miracles but he is really the secular head of the beast of 7 kings (left)
The ten kings fight against Christ but only 7 kings are left, because the false prophet, the second beast who has two horns is not only the worker of miracles but is the secular leader as well and sits on the throne of the first beast of ten kings (but there are only seven kings left in actuallity.)
The beast also does miracles, but due to it now being 7 kings left, and as the false prophet is their leader then all 10 minus 3 kings must do miracles as well but there is only two persons cast into hell by Christ at His coming.
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